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Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


Spikes32 posted:

No grains at the base of the plant or small holes. I'll water it tomorrow morning and see if it does the same thing in the afternoon

That's good then.

If it was the first warm spell of the season it is quite possible that the plant grew leaves faster than its roots could support. The volunteer pumpkin vines I have were all wilted similarly about a week ago when it was in the mid 90s. They are back to being perfectly happy after a bit of rain and some cooler temperatures.

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trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Arsenic Lupin posted:

We visited the specialist succulent nursery near us. We are now $300 poorer, have sunburns, and my son says next time we should bring a forklift.

I did not need another obsession to add to old roses and herbs.

what did you get?

also you guys should really get into bonsai, it’s fun for the whole family and it’s a great moment to get into it

the milk machine
Jul 23, 2002

lick my keys

Ok Comboomer posted:

what did you get?

also you guys should really get into bonsai, it’s fun for the whole family and it’s a great moment to get into it

consider me interested; how does one get started?

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 29, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


Spikes32 posted:

Do squash just do this on bright sunny days (80 degrees) or is something else wrong?


It really looks like squash vine borer damage to me, especially with how not the entire plant is affected and the yellowing leaves.

Zooming way in on my phone it looked like there was some orange vine borer frass right at the base of those first few leaf stalks.


It can be easy to miss if they are just starting out and you don't know what you're looking for. Its just a little pinhole with some orange stuff around it. As the damage gets more advanced it gets more obvious and you'll see big yellow chunky stuff coming out of the stems and they stems themselves get brown and woody.

e: You can do surgery with a razor blade and get the borers out and sometimes save the plant, especially if you water well and mount some dirt over the wound. Slit along the length of the stem till you find the borer. I have also had some success injecting Bt into the hollow of the stem with a big fat syringe above the borer damage. Yes, your neighbors will give you some funny looks.

Kaiser Schnitzel fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Jul 16, 2023

Calidus
Oct 31, 2011

Stand back I'm going to try science!
I planted 6 arborvitae in a row to replace some evergreen trees that got destroyed when massive maple tree fell on them last year. The 3 that get most sun light got cooked they are 90-95% brown, there a tiny amount of green left near the base. Should I expect these to actually recover or should I just take advantage of Costco return policy. The 3 that received least sun light are doing great.

Spikes32
Jul 25, 2013

Happy trees

Kaiser Schnitzel posted:

It really looks like squash vine borer damage to me, especially with how not the entire plant is affected and the yellowing leaves.

Zooming way in on my phone it looked like there was some orange vine borer frass right at the base of those first few leaf stalks.


It can be easy to miss if they are just starting out and you don't know what you're looking for. Its just a little pinhole with some orange stuff around it. As the damage gets more advanced it gets more obvious and you'll see big yellow chunky stuff coming out of the stems and they stems themselves get brown and woody.

e: You can do surgery with a razor blade and get the borers out and sometimes save the plant, especially if you water well and mount some dirt over the wound. Slit along the length of the stem till you find the borer. I have also had some success injecting Bt into the hollow of the stem with a big fat syringe above the borer damage. Yes, your neighbors will give you some funny looks.

So this morning I went and cut off and open one of the leaves that was still wilted and didn't find anything. This afternoon I'll take close up photos of the stalk roots and check more thoroughly and do surgery on a wilted stalk if it happens again.

Bismack Billabongo
Oct 9, 2012

New Love Glow

Kaiser Schnitzel posted:

It really looks like squash vine borer damage to me, especially with how not the entire plant is affected and the yellowing leaves.

Zooming way in on my phone it looked like there was some orange vine borer frass right at the base of those first few leaf stalks.


It can be easy to miss if they are just starting out and you don't know what you're looking for. Its just a little pinhole with some orange stuff around it. As the damage gets more advanced it gets more obvious and you'll see big yellow chunky stuff coming out of the stems and they stems themselves get brown and woody.

e: You can do surgery with a razor blade and get the borers out and sometimes save the plant, especially if you water well and mount some dirt over the wound. Slit along the length of the stem till you find the borer. I have also had some success injecting Bt into the hollow of the stem with a big fat syringe above the borer damage. Yes, your neighbors will give you some funny looks.

I just went out and tried slicing my squash up a bit and burying the base part again. Who knows if it will help but if not at least the plant managed one big rear end squash before this happened, and it’s so far down the vine that nothing has happened to it yet lol

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things

Calidus posted:

I planted 6 arborvitae in a row to replace some evergreen trees that got destroyed when massive maple tree fell on them last year. The 3 that get most sun light got cooked they are 90-95% brown, there a tiny amount of green left near the base. Should I expect these to actually recover or should I just take advantage of Costco return policy. The 3 that received least sun light are doing great.

arborvitae are a cursed plant and they will die.

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.
Has anyone grown winged beans? Put a bunch in and had good germination, got a bunch of likely-looking little vines, but none of them have taken off.

A lot of beans do the thing where they'll come up fast, grow a few inches almost overnight, and then just sorta chill for awhile putting down roots but not growing visibly for a week or more, and then boom they're huge. The winged beans did the first part but not the second.

They're right next to a patch of long beans that're growing like crazy, so I don't think it's anything about the general growing conditions, but I don't know if winged beans are picky about something in particular or it's just bad luck.

Jhet
Jun 3, 2013

SubG posted:

Has anyone grown winged beans? Put a bunch in and had good germination, got a bunch of likely-looking little vines, but none of them have taken off.

A lot of beans do the thing where they'll come up fast, grow a few inches almost overnight, and then just sorta chill for awhile putting down roots but not growing visibly for a week or more, and then boom they're huge. The winged beans did the first part but not the second.

They're right next to a patch of long beans that're growing like crazy, so I don't think it's anything about the general growing conditions, but I don't know if winged beans are picky about something in particular or it's just bad luck.

I haven't, but now I want to do. I don't think I have the temps for long enough for it to make sense. I'd wonder if they're maybe not getting enough water? They seem to want fairly regular and deep watering, and the nutrient blend should be just compost/balanced fertilizer. I'd try a bit more water before messing with other things, or maybe they just have a longer slow period. My longbeans didn't like the temps at night last year at the beginning of the season, but once it stayed hotter at night around this time of year they took off. Maybe they're just sort of slower.

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.

Jhet posted:

I don't think I have the temps for long enough for it to make sense. I'd wonder if they're maybe not getting enough water?
Like, keeping the roots wet between waterings (like something like wasabi wants), or just not letting the soil dry out between waterings?

Because they're in the same bed as the long beans and are getting watered on the same schedule. The very top layer of the soil (first inch or so) drys out between waterings (as in if you poke a finger in the very top of the soil it won't stick to your finger) but it stays moist but not wet below a couple inches. So pretty typical raised bed conditions.

I was thinking that maybe they just want it hotter, although they were doing better (or seemed to be doing better) earlier in the spring when it was still cooler.

Schmeichy
Apr 22, 2007

2spooky4u


Smellrose
They're from humid tropical areas, so they should like heat. Maybe not wet enough?

Jhet
Jun 3, 2013

SubG posted:

Like, keeping the roots wet between waterings (like something like wasabi wants), or just not letting the soil dry out between waterings?

Because they're in the same bed as the long beans and are getting watered on the same schedule. The very top layer of the soil (first inch or so) drys out between waterings (as in if you poke a finger in the very top of the soil it won't stick to your finger) but it stays moist but not wet below a couple inches. So pretty typical raised bed conditions.

I was thinking that maybe they just want it hotter, although they were doing better (or seemed to be doing better) earlier in the spring when it was still cooler.

Not like wasabi. If they're staying wet down below it's probably not that, but maybe it really is just not hot enough for them yet. Or maybe they'd want more water than the long beans, but I doubt it's that if the soil is staying moist below an inch. That should be well within normal, but it's just me guessing. It just sounds like it's me trying to grow okra/eggplant in that the plants just kinda stopped at small until it got to 85+/60+ for a long enough stretch. It eventually happened, but not for long enough.

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.

Jhet posted:

It just sounds like it's me trying to grow okra/eggplant in that the plants just kinda stopped at small until it got to 85+/60+ for a long enough stretch. It eventually happened, but not for long enough.
Yeah, that's the weird thing. Okra's one of the things that I tend to put in whenever I've got an open patch of ground, but usually it's kinda a hail mary because the evenings usually stay too cool for okra to be happy. But this year I put in a few okra plants and they're doing great, already harvested my first pods. And they're not even a "dwarf" variety (which have a shorter growing season).

Could just be this specific cultivar doesn't like something, or could just be bad luck I guess. Winged beans have a reputation for being hard to germinate, but the germination rate was good both for direct sowing and for starting indoors with a heat mat and lamp, but both sets of seedlings just sort slowed to a crawl after the initial growth spurt.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


I roughly dug out an area for a raised bed for Mrs Pony. I just kinda eyeballed the edges for levelness as best I could and flipped the frame I made into place to see how much extra soil needed removing to make it level.

This is what greeted me:




:toot:

Spikes32
Jul 25, 2013

Happy trees
Any suggestions for sprinkler system watering controllers? Ours just died (toro) that the PO installed and it was fine, no iot simple enough buttons.

gvibes
Jan 18, 2010

Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)
I was out of town for maybe4 three weeks and now one of my planters is exclusively binweed. Full time job dealing with that poo poo.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




SubG posted:

Has anyone grown winged beans? Put a bunch in and had good germination, got a bunch of likely-looking little vines, but none of them have taken off.

A lot of beans do the thing where they'll come up fast, grow a few inches almost overnight, and then just sorta chill for awhile putting down roots but not growing visibly for a week or more, and then boom they're huge. The winged beans did the first part but not the second.

They're right next to a patch of long beans that're growing like crazy, so I don't think it's anything about the general growing conditions, but I don't know if winged beans are picky about something in particular or it's just bad luck.

I have this same combo of beans planted on my trellis, and they're acting the same as yours. The winged beans stayed small while the long beans took off. I don't think it's anything wrong with the winged ones, but maybe they don't make good companion plants. The long beans may always outcompete them. I don't know, but I'll probably try again next year. The long beans look like this now:

StormDrain
May 22, 2003

Thirteen Letter
It's the time of year that I have to deal with apples. The tree in my yard is old, huge, and a prolific fruiter. They're delicious apples, I are one last night. I can't eat them all and can't give them away. I also end up with a lot of windfall. Usually I just pick them up and toss them but this year I want to compost. Any tips for doing an open compost without just attracting a ton of wasps and dealing with the smell of fermenting apples? I have a minor row of grass and leaf clippings I was going to try and cover but this is a month long ordeal of apple cleanup.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


I'll leave the compost to the experts. I will say that applesauce is pretty easy to make and freeze, if you're up for having a pot of boiling apples in the kitchen in July and August :(

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Arsenic Lupin posted:

I'll leave the compost to the experts. I will say that applesauce is pretty easy to make and freeze, if you're up for having a pot of boiling apples in the kitchen in July and August :(

We've been making it in a slow cooker. Much more kitchen friendly that time of year, and super easy set and forget.

Jhet
Jun 3, 2013

StormDrain posted:

It's the time of year that I have to deal with apples. The tree in my yard is old, huge, and a prolific fruiter. They're delicious apples, I are one last night. I can't eat them all and can't give them away. I also end up with a lot of windfall. Usually I just pick them up and toss them but this year I want to compost. Any tips for doing an open compost without just attracting a ton of wasps and dealing with the smell of fermenting apples? I have a minor row of grass and leaf clippings I was going to try and cover but this is a month long ordeal of apple cleanup.

If you don't have a bunch of brown material in grass/leaves, you'll never be able to cover the apples completely in this way. You could dig a hole, throw the apples in with the grass and leaves, and then bury them. You'll still have rodents and raccoons dig them up, but they'll stay mostly covered and should compost okay. If you cover them with carboard before burying, it'll make it easier to turn them once before it freezes and when you have a lot more leaves falling to add to the pile. There's not going to be an open compost version where you can keep the bees, wasps, flies away from the fermenting apples.

I'd just make and can applesauce myself, and if that's too much, I'd juice it and either freeze or ferment the juice.

Ne Cede Malis
Aug 30, 2008
Our greenbeans were doing great for the last few weeks then now they're looking like this. Some kind of disease? Should we tear off the affected leaves? It's covering most of the bush and trellis beans : (

https://ibb.co/853R9d9

mischief
Jun 3, 2003

We always did apple butter and cider on Papa's farm once we all got sick of eating them off the tree.

Soul Dentist
Mar 17, 2009
Applejack is the most condensed preservation of apples that I know of without running a pot still

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


Motronic posted:

We've been making it in a slow cooker. Much more kitchen friendly that time of year, and super easy set and forget.

You're a genius.

Soul Dentist posted:

Applejack is the most condensed preservation of apples that I know of without running a pot still

Back when I lived in New Hampshire, before global warming, you actually could freeze-distill applejack.

e: Ne Cede Malis, that doesn't look like a disease to me. It looks like something's eating them. Could you put up a picture of the underside of the leaf?

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Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


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mischief
Jun 3, 2003

Arsenic Lupin posted:

e: Ne Cede Malis, that doesn't look like a disease to me. It looks like something's eating them. Could you put up a picture of the underside of the leaf?

Agreed, hard to identify it without more pictures. It's almost definitely a bug of some sort though, it looks a little like sun scald but some poking around under the leaves will likely find the culprits. They're a really, really resilient plant but if something starts eating up the leaves they will almost across the board stop even trying to produce. They'll still grow like crazy but you won't have any yield.

I like spinosad but lately it has been getting really expensive. Bonide still sells it in solute but it is $$$. Monterey should have it in concentrate at your local hardware store.

Joburg
May 19, 2013


Fun Shoe
I have fire ants so I splurged and bought the 1 qt bottle of Spinosad concentrate eBay, good for about 400 gallons of fire ant doom. $160 well spent. :moonrio:

StormDrain
May 22, 2003

Thirteen Letter
Thanks all! I'll maybe try a pit or maybe just suffer. Even if I picked them all, there's also a bunch of insect eaten, Squirrel eaten, and just regular windfall that leaves me with a lot of apples I can't use. It's a banner year again apparently I'm taking good care of this tree.

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 29, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


StormDrain posted:

Thanks all! I'll maybe try a pit or maybe just suffer. Even if I picked them all, there's also a bunch of insect eaten, Squirrel eaten, and just regular windfall that leaves me with a lot of apples I can't use. It's a banner year again apparently I'm taking good care of this tree.

You could also get a pig to eat all the apples, specifically a Gloucester Old Spot

swickles
Aug 21, 2006

I guess that I don't need that though
Now you're just some QB that I used to know
We are moving into a house with a nice yard that we can garden in. Does anyone have any recommendations for a book about gardening? I know I can seek out information on the internet, but I like large tomes that I can casually read through as well as reference when I need it. Looking for something that is has specific sections on different types of herbs, veggies, fruits, etc. and what they like and don't like.

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 29, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


swickles posted:

We are moving into a house with a nice yard that we can garden in. Does anyone have any recommendations for a book about gardening? I know I can seek out information on the internet, but I like large tomes that I can casually read through as well as reference when I need it. Looking for something that is has specific sections on different types of herbs, veggies, fruits, etc. and what they like and don't like.

The best gardening advice is always local, so you’ll want to find something appropriate for your region. If you’re in the Southeastern US, the Southern Living Garden Book is great.

Kaiser Schnitzel fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Jul 22, 2023

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.
And if you're in the US, there's a master gardener handbook for your state, and it'll be a good general reference for growing poo poo in your area.

It won't cover everything (hence my empirical fumblings with Sichuan peppercorns, winged beans, and bitter melons), but it's a really solid place to start.

swickles
Aug 21, 2006

I guess that I don't need that though
Now you're just some QB that I used to know
Thanks! We are moving from South Florida where you grow stuff by chucking it outside and checking on it 3 months later to northeast PA where there are these things called seasons and whatnot. So the experience will be very different and I need a good starting point.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

swickles posted:

We are moving into a house with a nice yard that we can garden in. Does anyone have any recommendations for a book about gardening? I know I can seek out information on the internet, but I like large tomes that I can casually read through as well as reference when I need it. Looking for something that is has specific sections on different types of herbs, veggies, fruits, etc. and what they like and don't like.

get an iPad and put it in a handsome leatherbound case

use that to access the horticulture internet and save a bajillion screengrabs, photos, forum bookmarks, internet searches, YouTube vids, etc

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.
I've got a whole bunch of wood chips I need to figure out a way to use or get rid of - one of the uses I've been considering is growing wine caps in them, since I understand it's a pretty good growing medium. I've never grown wine caps or anything woodchip-based before, does anyone has some advice for getting started? Closest I've done is probably lion's mane and that was indoors.

I figure I'll do a nice big bed of them for a year or two and that should leave some really nice, high quality soil for whatever I want to grow next.

PokeJoe
Aug 24, 2004

hail cgatan


I started growing wine caps this year and it's the easiest shroom ive ever grown. you just throw some spawn in the woodchips and mushrooms happen

Soul Dentist
Mar 17, 2009
Square Foot Gardening is a good reference for a very specific, prescriptivist type of backyard gardening

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Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

swickles posted:

northeast PA

https://extension.psu.edu/master-gardener-manual

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