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Young Freud posted:From a lot of the conversations that have come up regarding this, it is in fact THAT video. I'm just going to cherish my ignorance on this topic.
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Ardeem posted:I'm just going to cherish my ignorance on this topic. I learn stuff over the last few hours that I wish I hadn't learned. Apparently, someone found the post on the Internet Archive and found that it had 3.1 million views and was retweeted and bookmarked over a thousand times. https://bsky.app/profile/faineg.bsky.social/post/3k3io7nrp742z Edit: I'll try to post a screenshot of the Bluesky post when I get access to something better than a phone. Young Freud fucked around with this message at 12:32 on Jul 27, 2023 |
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Young Freud posted:I learn stuff over the last few hours that I wish I hadn't learned. Why are people posting bluesky stuff? You can't even view it if you're not logged in.
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Nitrousoxide posted:Why are people posting bluesky stuff? You can't even view it if you're not logged in. Apologies, but all I have is my phone and Imgur likes to poo poo the bed since I won't download the app. Also, Discord recently added Bluesky preview support so I wasn't sure if that could be the case here.
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Jul 27, 2023 12:34
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Yeah I think whoever gets widespread embedding to work between Threads and BlueSky is going to have a big advantage
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Bluesky is not going to be able to embed until it's publicly browsable in general, so Threads is probably going to be first
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Jul 27, 2023 14:59
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I never fully looked into BlueSky but looking over the Wikipedia page and other media around it, what's different about it compared to Mastadon? They seem to both be trying to do the "separate 'websites' that are identical interact through common site" thing but Bluesky seems to be a lot more popular. I was looking it a little before but kind of shied away from it when I started reading some ink about how the TOS gives Jack Dorsey all the rights to your info and also blood. CuddleCryptid fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Jul 27, 2023 |
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Jul 27, 2023 15:16
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CuddleCryptid posted:I never fully looked into BlueSky but looking over the Wikipedia page and other media around it, what's different about it compared to Mastadon? They seem to both be trying to do the "separate 'websites' that are identical interact through common site" thing but Bluesky seems to be a lot more popular. Mastodon is fully distributed as a core feature from day one. Bluesky may eventually support federation but it's started out as a single server with no federation, so it's sidestepping the issue that most users don't want to know or think about federation Bluesky is also cool right now because it's invite-only and has that private club cachet
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Jul 27, 2023 15:20
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haveblue posted:Mastodon is fully distributed as a core feature from day one. Bluesky may eventually support federation but it's started out as a single server with no federation, so it's sidestepping the issue that most users don't want to know or think about federation Ah so all the decentralized stuff will likely never actually appear, got it.
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CuddleCryptid posted:I never fully looked into BlueSky but looking over the Wikipedia page and other media around it, what's different about it compared to Mastadon? They seem to both be trying to do the "separate 'websites' that are identical interact through common site" thing but Bluesky seems to be a lot more popular. Most people tried moving to Mastodon first and bounced off because of its actively user-hostile design and tendency to prioritize the federation stuff over user experience. Bluesky put a bit more emphasis on user experience, to the point where it doesn't even have federation support (and all of the accompanying user headaches) yet, which works out fine because basically none of the people migrating to it give a poo poo about federation - they just want something that's kinda Twitter-like and convenient to use, preferably with a prominent enough name behind it for all their friends to also migrate to it. That same ink gets spilled every time a new social media network starts to get big, because every new social media network has that clause in their TOS. All the old ones do, too. SA would probably have one too if Sleepy Jeff ever woke up long enough to write a TOS. This is because those license conditions are absolutely necessary to the functioning of a social media network: they don't own the content of your posts, so in order for them to display whatever you posted to other users, they need a license to do so. If they want to shrink and crop your gigantic 16000x9000 videogame screenshot into a thumbnail, they need a license to do that too. And so on. While it's not strictly required to actually write those license conditions down in a terms of service (courts would likely conclude that such a license grant was implied by the act of posting), there's no reason to leave it out if you're hiring a lawyer to write terms of service anyway, and it's better for them to clearly establish an expansive set of boundaries so that potential future features aren't hamstrung by license limitations. That's especially true for federated networks, which need even broader licensing than normal social media networks because a federated service will be sharing your posts with other networks they don't directly control. The rest of the Bluesky TOS clauses I've seen people making noise about aren't anything special either. It's all bog-standard stuff in the industry. I'm steering clear of Bluesky, but not over this minor TOS stuff. I'm steering clear because it's run by Jack Dorsey, a right-leaning "free speech" libertarian who's best known for building the so-called "hell site" and is currently building a federated system largely for the purpose of reducing his own legal liability for vile and hateful content that might be posted on the service. The guy hated getting called up by nervous company lawyers and angry government officials all the time, and while he did listen to the lawyers and give into governments when needed to avoid the worst of the trouble, he always resented having to do so.
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Yeah, I get that a lot of the TOS stuff is just required to operate basic functions of a website, it's more the stuff about not being guaranteed the ability to actually delete your account that rubbed me the wrong way. I treasure my ability to scrub stuff on social media and the possibility that they might just go "no" rubs me wrong. Same reason I'm so hostile to Facebook now, among many other things.
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Main Paineframe posted:I'm steering clear of Bluesky, but not over this minor TOS stuff. I'm steering clear because it's run by Jack Dorsey, a right-leaning "free speech" libertarian who's best known for building the so-called "hell site" and is currently building a federated system largely for the purpose of reducing his own legal liability for vile and hateful content that might be posted on the service. The guy hated getting called up by nervous company lawyers and angry government officials all the time, and while he did listen to the lawyers and give into governments when needed to avoid the worst of the trouble, he always resented having to do so. I see this said a lot but Dorsey doesn't run it, he's an investor and on the board of directors but isn't the CEO nor is he in charge of development.
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Yeah Dorsey gave some seed money while he was still in charge of Twitter but he doesn't run it. The CEO is Jay. I'm on Bluesky, got in when the first wave of shitposters got invites. It's honestly extremely mid right now. For a while it was completely unbearable bc all the posts were some variation of 'wow I had forgotten how much fun social media could be without all the NAZIS' and people self-congratulating on how great they were at posting and creating a loving environment. At the moment the big tension is between a accounts that managed to carve out little fiefdoms in what is basically a glorified discord server (about 300k users) and accounts that already have an established following and are migrating towards the app. Honestly I think most people want them to open the app and kill the invite system but it seems they can't actually do it. I was talking to a programmer who looked at their code and the way bluesky does federation seems to make it impossible for them to handle a huge user load or stuff like video (there are no videos/gifs/DMs). I am not at all a tech literate person but whenever there is a wave of new invites the app does get sluggish. It's also not monetized at all, running off Jack's initial 12 million and has a team of like 15 people. You can actually see every post on the site in realtime (what they call the firehose) here: https://firesky.tv TLDR: Bluesky is mid and will probably never be able to substitute twitter because it's coded in a silly way, but it's probably the least bad micro blogging or whatever site atm
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Jul 27, 2023 18:41
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Reaction gifs can be funny if the planets align and you get a perfect shot for one, but 99 percent of the time they're a great way to kill the discussion in a group chat by saying one word in the largest, most media-intensive way possible.
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Jul 27, 2023 19:47
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Young Freud posted:From a lot of the conversations that have come up regarding this, it is in fact THAT video. Holy poo poo man. Where the hell do you even find THAT!? And what makes someone think it's ok to post in public?
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Jul 27, 2023 19:49
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They think there's an "investigator" exception that makes it ok.
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Adenoid Dan posted:They think there's an "investigator" exception that makes it ok. There are human exceptions to access CSAM. I mean, people have to approve the bans in the absence of any automated method (and have to review appeals even with automatic bans). And people have to actually develop the blocking algos of course which requires access to the banned material to ensure it works correctly.
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Of course but they don't have those, they just have the idea of their own good intentions as a shield. They know they haven't signed anything, they just assume that they're a good person doing good person things. Adenoid Dan fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Jul 27, 2023 |
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Jul 27, 2023 20:32
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Can you sign up with for threads without an Instagram account yet?
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Young Freud posted:From a lot of the conversations that have come up regarding this, it is in fact THAT video. IDing visual similarity would make it easy to catch, but that is also quite computationally expensive. I would highly doubt any social media company makes a general practice of doing that (which is bad, but that's the society we live in). The really damning thing here is how long it took to take down after all those reports, when they ban users for far lesser things all the time. And then reinstating it.
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Young Freud posted:Some absolute insane poo poo broke this afternoon: Far-right influencer and QAnon promoter Dom Lucre posted CSAM on Twitter. The imagery stayed up for FOUR days and had at least 300K views before the account got suspended. After getting suspended, a gaggle of shitheels from Kari Lake to the Krassensteins lobbied Musk to reinstate him, who did it within hours of the suspension after deleting the offending tweets. Musk is saying that it was a misunderstanding regards the suspension and that no one actually saw the imagery thanks to their Child Safety Team, but there's hundreds of replies in the original thread commenting on the original post. Why was this guy posting that stuff? From context it looks like he’s saying he doesn’t approve of it? What’s wrong with these people?
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Adenoid Dan posted:Of course but they don't have those, they just have the idea of their own good intentions as a shield. There's a tweet thread about QAnon supporters and why so many of them are caught with CSAM that I would like to post, but at the same time, I am sick about talking about this, but, really, it can easily be summed up like this...  Anyway, it does look like it's hitting the mainstream media, with Vice and Forbes having articles on it. The Vice article does contain more information that Dom Lucre after getting unsuspended... quote:Despite having his account reinstated, when McGee returned to Twitter on Wednesday it was to attack Musk, slamming the Twitter CEO for claiming he shared child abuse imagery. Instead McGee made another wild claim: that Musk’s decision to ban his account was based on a conspiracy theory McGee had shared about where former President Barack Obama was born. The Forbes' take unfortunately both sides child porn.
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BigRed0427 posted:Holy poo poo man. Posting shock images to "drive awareness" is a time-honored strategy among fringe activists. He claims it was a censored photo he got from a news site, a claim I'm unable to validate one way or another, but the video was apparently originally found on the darkweb so it's probably circulated pretty widely. The guy in question still thinks he's done nothing wrong, insisting that the image he posted wasn't pornographic and that the whole thing is a smear job.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I’m hearing that Threads is already pretty dead Threads was murdered by being instantly saturated with the Brands. Pizza-Hut made a post about stuffed crust-ussy which should be all you need to know about Threads.
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Professor Beetus posted:Threads was murdered by being instantly saturated with the Brands. Pizza-Hut made a post about stuffed crust-ussy which should be all you need to know about Threads. Welp. Can't use -ussy anymore. God drat corporations ruining gay slang. 😤
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Jul 28, 2023 00:47
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Threads will not die so long as it can be pushed on the FB/IG userbase
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Jul 28, 2023 00:54
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There have been like two? stealth innovations in social media I think are clever in a way. First was Tik Tok's algorithm making your first post go viral (I've been told this is not the case anymore). Give people a 15 seconds of fame right off the bat, let them chase that high for the rest of their life. Clever poo poo. Second was threads basically completely obliterating the line between ad and content. I'd have to actually spend time on that app, which I'm not gonna do, to see all the little things they did but from like the first four days it was clear that Zuck set out to make the most ad-friendly social media site ever. It looks like it's going to be an utter disaster but I feel Threads is like a portal to what social media will be five-ish years from now.
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notenome posted:Second was threads basically completely obliterating the line between ad and content. I'd have to actually spend time on that app, which I'm not gonna do, to see all the little things they did but from like the first four days it was clear that Zuck set out to make the most ad-friendly social media site ever. It looks like it's going to be an utter disaster but I feel Threads is like a portal to what social media will be five-ish years from now. How's it doing that? I haven't really been following what's been happening with threads and assumed it was pretty much just Twitter with just enough changes to not be sued.
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dr_rat posted:How's it doing that? I haven't really been following what's been happening with threads and assumed it was pretty much just Twitter with just enough changes to not be sued.
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Nuclear Spoon posted:no gifs is a massive selling point I imagine the absolute most annoying people imaginable are spending every other post begging the bluesky powers that be to implement those features asap specifically because they can't imagine posting without them for a sustained period of time.
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Shrecknet posted:Since it's pulling from all of Instagram's users, it already knows who are "brand" accounts, and heavily promotes them. And since there's no way to curate your timeline or even see "just people I follow," the default/forced experience is "you must scroll by @Wendys to have a chance to see your buddy's surfing photos." Hmm seems they solved that problem most social media place have of all that filler content stuff get in the way of ads.
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Shrecknet posted:Since it's pulling from all of Instagram's users, it already knows who are "brand" accounts, and heavily promotes them. And since there's no way to curate your timeline or even see "just people I follow," the default/forced experience is "you must scroll by @Wendys to have a chance to see your buddy's surfing photos." They added a followers feed a few days ago. You have to tap the logo at the top to see it.
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Shrecknet posted:Since it's pulling from all of Instagram's users, it already knows who are "brand" accounts, and heavily promotes them. And since there's no way to curate your timeline or even see "just people I follow," the default/forced experience is "you must scroll by @Wendys to have a chance to see your buddy's surfing photos."
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https://firesky.tv/ Speaking of firehoses, did you know that Bluesky has a public API, and you can read every skeet in real time at the link above? All we need is for someone to code a public web client using the API.
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Levitate posted:Feels like instagram is basically that these days
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