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Bremen posted:No, it's still valid, it's just an indication that what's "good" for RoyalRoad isn't the same as what many people would consider "good" stories. But getting to the top of RR still involves writing a good story for RR. There is a difference between the ability to write something that is popular and writing something that is good. There are even examples of authors admitting that they wrote complete trash and are baffled by it being popular.
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Kaja Rainbow posted:Also stories that doesn't fit into Royal Road's preferred themes, genres, and tropes tend to do less well than stories that do. This is kinda why I treat RR as just one of several different places to post chapters. Maintaining a personal website for a serial isn't that difficult.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:There is a difference between the ability to write something that is popular and writing something that is good. There are even examples of authors admitting that they wrote complete trash and are baffled by it being popular. At that point it's just getting into the semantics of what "good" means. Writing a "good" story for RoyalRoad means one the reader base there will enjoy and support, not one that is high quality in an objective sense (if there even is an objective way to evaluate the quality of a story). That said, I do think it's overstated. The top two best rated stories on RR are Mother of Learning and Super Supportive, both stories I would happily buy as actual books (and did, in the case of MoL). Bremen fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Aug 7, 2023 |
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Nothingtoseehere posted:New authors would rather believe they aren't succeeding because of other people and bad actors rather than face the fact their writing isn't good enough for anyone to care about. I love the comments that are like "when my story hit rising stars it got TWO negative reviews! This can only be the work of a wicked conspiracy!" rather than 'no one with taste reads random stuff off the new list'.
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Hungry posted:This is kinda why I treat RR as just one of several different places to post chapters. Maintaining a personal website for a serial isn't that difficult. Any tips on that?
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Bremen posted:I had the chance to take a look at two webserials from the trending and best rated lists on RR in the last few weeks. I tried Carousel awhile back and couldn’t get through the first few chapters. Your description is exactly what I remember. Do the characters get more likeable later? Nettle Soup posted:I think I've had this avatar for around a decade now! LLSix fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Aug 7, 2023 |
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Aug 7, 2023 20:17
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Kaja Rainbow posted:Any tips on that? I just use wordpress. I rely on the GUI, because I know just about enough HTML to make links, but nothing more. It's never required any specialist knowledge. Costs about £100 a year for each website. Gives me somewhere to post fanart and stuff too!
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LLSix posted:I tried Carousel awhile back and couldn’t get through the first few chapters. Your description is exactly what I remember. Do the characters get more likeable later? Hard to say without knowing what you disliked, I guess. I didn't dislike the characters, but other than the MC having a crush on Anna and hints that she's nice to him but maybe in a way he's misinterpreting, the story doesn't really focus on the characters. OTOH this does mean there's a lot less time spent on freaking out, which is probably what realistic characters would be doing a lot of in their situation, so I actually kind of appreciate it. I don't know if it's what you disliked, but the reader does eventually find out more about Dina and why she deliberately got herself killed, and in my opinion it's kind of an interesting motivation. Bremen fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Aug 7, 2023 |
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Aug 7, 2023 20:30
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I like the relationship between the protagonist in Skill Thief's Canvas and Tenver. They're both very weird characters.
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The last few early updates to Super Support spoiled me. I’ve been refreshing throughout the day to see if the next chapter is out yet.
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LLSix posted:The last few early updates to Super Support spoiled me. I’ve been refreshing throughout the day to see if the next chapter is out yet. Five updates in on quitting SupSup Patreon cold turkey. It's been hard but I'm really looking forward to reading a bunch all at once in a month or so.
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Yeah, the reason I don't sub to the Patreon, apart from being a dirty poor, is it would just switch my refreshing RR to refreshing Patreon instead.
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Nettle Soup posted:Yeah, the reason I don't sub to the Patreon, apart from being a dirty poor, is it would just switch my refreshing RR to refreshing Patreon instead. I mean, this is why I plan to resub the moment 69 hits RR. I quit at 68, and I know I wouldn't have the discipline to not be watching RR for updates if they were there, so I might as well resub then.
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My only complaint about SupSup is that the posting window for new chapters is so wide. It might be rough on the readers in Europe, but I would rather Sleyca always releases the next chapter at 9pm rather than some point between 9am and 9pm.
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I'm on the SupSup patreon, but I think I'm about 7-8 chapters behind at the moment. With so many things to pay attention to, it's very easy to shift focus and then be pleasantly surprised when the notification email comes in and I realize I have a few months worth of writing to catch up on. There may also be a subconscious hope that if the magic school arc turns out to be dull, I'll be able to zip through it quickly if I delay reading until a lot of updates are ready. I definitely know I dodged Pale Lights completely based on the pitch including a line about It All Beginning With Scholomance. Let's see... I haven't checked in on Jackal Among Snakes or Beware of Chicken in a pretty long time. Maybe I'll see what's going on with them next time I have a slow shift... or maybe I'll just go back to Time To Orbit Unknown. That one is definitely keeping me interested in the ongoing survival drama, and it's the only one where I am concerned that going back to it after a long gap might mean I'd forget some key pieces of information.
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SupSup 74: This high school stuff is fun as hell. I really wonder what is up with that sway girl. I bet we find out in fifty chapters.
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SupSup 74 I'm like 70% sure Alden is going to take a hit that would have decapitated him in the entrance exams but his auriad will protect him. They made a point of the possibility of decapitation and then a bit later when he's changing he moves it to around his neck under his turtleneck.
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We're getting a bonus chapter Friday apparently! It's a relief that the author feels comfortable enough to do stuff like give us additional chapters. From the tone of the comment at the end of the chapter, it sounds like they might be considering moving to doing it full-time. Regarding the chapter itself (74) Alden's gonna get owned. I had (apparently correctly) assumed that he'd be physically weaker than nearly every other high-rank prospective hero, regardless of being higher level and abnormally healthy. Other classes just get/spend way more foundation points. But maybe he'll own someone else in the process by getting them to run into his threads. If it works the way I think it does*, it's actually a very effective defense against any melee fighters, provided they don't have the raw strength/durability to knock out his power (which also knocks Apden out, so it's pretty risky). Watch him give some other student the sensation if being decapitated when they run into his thread. Like that one teacher mentioned, Alden really underestimated the lethality of a perfectly stationary and abnormally sturdy thread. Also - I totally called the "preserving a thread" thing. I mentioned it in the last chapter as an obvious application if his power, and Sleyca replied with "  " lol* I think Alden has multiple threads hanging from his umbrella with washers as weights on the end, which he then gets spinning and freezes, functionally surrounding himself with a bunch of super-strong and difficult-to-see wires. Not many ways for someone who needs to get into melee range to fight that. It seems like the biggest risk is something like a Meister with an enhanced weapon hitting his threads, but I think the first person he spars against might be caught off-guard due to not seeing them. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Aug 10, 2023 |
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Pale Lights hasn't even gotten to Scholomance! it's been nothing but cloak and dagger intrigue in the woods, interspersed with bouts of extreme violence. Frankly I doubt the magic school will be unlike any I have ever seen before, and to a lesser degree same goes for SupSup, but we will see soon enough.
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SupSup Patreon: We already know that Alden would notice if a Sway tried to do something to him where others wouldn't notice, because they'd have to target him first and he can sense that. I suspect he's also resistant to Sway effects in general, since your Authority is likely the defense against that. He can consciously assert himself against it the same way he could against the chaos, while most people without Authority sense or conscious control would only have their natural passive defenses. If that's true, then given that his Authority sense relative to other humans is "so far ahead of a very small pack that I see no point in you considering the other racers," it wouldn't surprise me if he punches way, way above his rank in regards to defending against Sways. That'd make it one of the first tangible benefits of his Authority sense.
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Re: SupSup 74: Freezing a book with pages splayed out would be nasty. Also, some of that sway's acknowledged skills sound like the sort of things that can be beared as burdens... though entrustment is kinda interesting there.
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SupSup 63(Not the current RR one, the one we get Sunday) I'm loving all the people reacting to the current RR chapter thinking Alden is now famous because Rel-Art'h recognized his name. Which, to be fair, is exactly what I assumed when I read that chapter the first time. But it's hilarious in hindsight knowing what he was actually talking about.
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I decided to try Dungeon Life since it was mentioned in thread. Writing quality is low, main character is a little dull, and the descriptions of what is going on are unfocused and assume a reader with lots of familiarity with genre tropes. With all those cons said, the story is cute. I smiled at the aranea questgivers, there's some jokes that I legit enjoyed even if they could have used more polish. Fifty chapters in, it's a story about a bunch of people puzzling out how to best work together and all end up better off for it. Also, I have not seen a single stat sheet, and I appreciate the forbearance. I would not recommend to anyone who wasn't into this kind of story already, but I am legit enjoying it as light reading. Will probably keep going.
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I can separate my own personal tastes and characters liking something. (That would be very appropriate for their demographic to like.) Evanesceethers need to chill, lol.
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Some of us had to live with listening to that one song of theirs every 10 minutes or sooner if you changed the radio station. Those who didn't need to share our pain.
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Kalas posted:Some of us had to live with listening to that one song of theirs every 10 minutes or sooner if you changed the radio station. I think if I sat down for a bit I could write out most of that one song’s lyric, and I do not like the band. At least it’s not Goyte’s troll though. Somebody that we used to know indeed.
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Bremen posted:SupSup 63(Not the current RR one, the one we get Sunday) I'm loving all the people reacting to the current RR chapter thinking Alden is now famous because Rel-Art'h recognized his name. Which, to be fair, is exactly what I assumed when I read that chapter the first time. But it's hilarious in hindsight knowing what he was actually talking about. Good news for RR readers. Looks like they get an extra chapter Friday like Patreon does. 
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Glad that the RR is catching up, SupSup patreon pricing is ridiculous. The writing is good but not "price of a new paperback each month" good. Bought one month to get past Man on the Moon and let it expire.
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RR isn't "catching up." Patreon is also getting a bonus chapter Friday. The Patreon pricing isn't ridiculous either.
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I've been exceptionally happy with the money I've spent on Sleyca's patreon.
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I'm actually dirt poor so its a bit much for me. No complaints about the quality. If it were cheaper or updated more frequently I'd keep my sub active.
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Nitrousoxide posted:Good news for RR readers. Looks like they get an extra chapter Friday like Patreon does. And here I was actually looking forward to the patreon having a bigger backlog I resubbed. But more chapters is always good! Bremen fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Aug 10, 2023 |
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Wittgen posted:RR isn't "catching up." Patreon is also getting a bonus chapter Friday. It is pretty expensive relative to other similar Patreons, but SupSup is unironically better than the vast majority of published fantasy (not exactly a high bar) so it doesn't bother me much. It fills a niche for me that nothing else really does (closest would probably be Forge/Threads of Destiny, which is the only other serial I enjoy that does the "following a character's life" thing) and is the only serial I currently find myself actively anticipating each Sunday/Wednesday - the others I just catch up on whenever I notice they have new content.
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Ytlaya posted:It is pretty expensive relative to other similar Patreons, but SupSup is unironically better than the vast majority of published fantasy (not exactly a high bar) so it doesn't bother me much. It fills a niche for me that nothing else really does (closest would probably be Forge/Threads of Destiny, which is the only other serial I enjoy that does the "following a character's life" thing) and is the only serial I currently find myself actively anticipating each Sunday/Wednesday - the others I just catch up on whenever I notice they have new content. It doesn't bother me much (I don't sub constantly but that's more about not handling the cliffhangers well), but I'm admittedly in a situation where $10 a month doesn't hurt much. If I were on a tighter budget like I were in the past, $10 for the 8-10 chapters that get released in a month could definitely feel extravagant. According to RR SupSup is currently 864 pages with 62 chapters. Assuming that translates to about 3 paperbacks, it means long term Patreon subscribers are paying about twice what they'd pay for a normal book series, in terms of word count. Of course, someone who just finds the series now and subscribes is paying $10 for about 3.5 books, or $0 for 3, so it's a mixed bag. Just different models. Bremen fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Aug 10, 2023 |
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Yeah but you can just wait and the whole serial will be available for free. It's pretty wild to complain about pricing for early access to something that will be free when it releases in 6 weeks. It really annoys me when people criticize artists for how they monetize their work. There are plenty of unscrupulous companies out there ripping people off, but this is nowhere near that kind of thing. One person making a living by giving fans early access is not a rip off or ridiculous or anything bad at all.
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Wittgen posted:Yeah but you can just wait and the whole serial will be available for free. It's pretty wild to complain about pricing for early access to something that will be free when it releases in 6 weeks. To be fair, the original poster said nothing of the sort, just that the patreon was too expensive for them for what it gets.
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