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Space Kablooey posted:lol i was gonna say that bromley was an awful name Waltham Bromley was the sidekick in the UK's import of walker texas ranger
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If you're picking names you should give your kid a ridiculous fancy name but with the intent of it being shortenable to a variety of useful forms. Like call your kid Amaranth and then they can shorten it to Amy or Mara, so they can pick something they like but also bust out the poncey name if they feel like it.
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Aug 10, 2023 18:16
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I know someone that legally named their kid Abby, but only called her Abigail. I have no idea why.
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Aug 10, 2023 18:24
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My kid has a middle name that I can use for getting angry. Also the middle name is my last name, so that's fitting. The first name is monosyllabic though.
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Aug 10, 2023 19:07
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So I heard Americans tend to get really confused when they learn lots of people from European countries don't have middle names? Like, I'm in the Netherlands and here, unless parents are feeling very posh, they give their child just a first name, and they only get further initials if they get baptized (one or more biblical names get added at that point). Since 60% of the Dutch don't identify with any organized religion, lots of kids never get middle names.
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Carbon dioxide posted:So I heard Americans tend to get really confused when they learn lots of people from European countries don't have middle names? *Spain, Portugal, France, and Italy will remember this*
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Carbon dioxide posted:So I heard Americans tend to get really confused when they learn lots of people from European countries don't have middle names? Pretty sure it's an English language thing to have middle names, not specifically American. edit: also pretty sure it doesn't have to do with religion in English either. Mustang fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Aug 10, 2023 |
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Mustang posted:Pretty sure it's an English language thing to have middle names, not specifically American. *Spain, Portugal, France, and Italy will remember this*
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Spaniards love names so much they have two last names.
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Mustang posted:Pretty sure it's an English language thing to have middle names, not specifically American. What an odd thing to think You must not read much
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Give kids boring names appropriate to their era, culture, and geographic location. If they're cool they'll organically acquire a cool nickname/agnomen.
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jeebus bob posted:What an odd thing to think Really, how do you figure?
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DJ_Mindboggler posted:Give kids boring names appropriate to their era, culture, and geographic location. If they're cool they'll organically acquire a cool nickname/agnomen. I like the idea of having a fairly distinctive name, but without grabbing something too culturally distant or altering spelling just to feel unique. I like reviving names that were popular from previous generations. My name is unusual, but since its old it isn't unheard of or bizarre. This was posted in this thread years ago and is one of my favourites. 
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Count Roland posted:This was posted in this thread years ago and is one of my favourites.
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Mustang posted:Pretty sure it's an English language thing to have middle names, not specifically American. Middle names are quite common in a lot of Europe, Germany too in addition to the ones mentioned. The difference in forms is just that they're still considered "first names" and then "last name". I've never seen a section specifically for "Middle Name" but you'll see this on most (nearly all?) official legal forms: Prénoms / Vornamen [Given names] Nom / Name [Family name]
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I know someone that legally named their kid Abby, but only called her Abigail. Ah, the rare and elusive Nicholasname.
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Saladman posted:Middle names are quite common in a lot of Europe, Germany too in addition to the ones mentioned. The difference in forms is just that they're still considered "first names" and then "last name". I've never seen a section specifically for "Middle Name" but you'll see this on most (nearly all?) official legal forms: Yeah I know, I didn't say English is the only language with them. My only point was that they're common in English speaking countries, not just the US.
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So I heard people in the Netherlands tend to get really confused when they learn lots of people from European countries do have middle names?
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I feel bad for the countries that don't do middle names because no one would get it if they said "[thing] is my middle name!" to show their affinity for it. For example, take the mayor of Hill Valley, Goldie Wilson. (Progress is his middle name!)
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Spanish royals stole all the Dutch middle names to add to their own.
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Powered Descent posted:I feel bad for the countries that don't do middle names because no one would get it if they said "[thing] is my middle name!" to show their affinity for it. For example, take the mayor of Hill Valley, Goldie Wilson. (Progress is his middle name!) We don't use middle names and we still say that (more accurately, x is my second name)
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Carbon dioxide posted:So I heard Americans tend to get really confused when they learn lots of people from European countries don't have middle names? Yeah, american  hereWe aren’t confused, we mostly think you are being kind of an rear end in a top hat when you go off like that My kids are Svyetlana Fominichna and Anastasiya Fominichna Surname. chosen by their mother, using a horrifying european language to assign middle names like they have been for centuries but god believe me we’re all really impresssd about how cool the Netherlands is and definitely not laughing that you have a monarch and feel so cool about the whole capitalist empire from 400 years ago, we aren’t laughing. It’s so cool you don’t have middle names. The coolest and most bad rear end part is the belgians somehow being cooler and more likeable than you lol and lmao, fry country hi five ❤️ Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Aug 10, 2023 |
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Yeah, american Patronyms aren't middle names.
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Count Roland posted:I like the idea of having a fairly distinctive name, but without grabbing something too culturally distant or altering spelling just to feel unique. I like reviving names that were popular from previous generations. My name is unusual, but since its old it isn't unheard of or bizarre. Baby Jessica was rescued in 1987, if anyone else is like me and wondered if there was a spike in Jessicas after that, but it looks like that wave started a few years earlier.
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OddObserver posted:Patronyms aren't middle names. FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
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Patronyms are last names but also not.
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Carbon dioxide posted:So I heard Americans tend to get really confused when they learn lots of people from European countries don't have middle names? Middle names are extremely common in Denmark. Not as in multiple given names, but as a kind of second surname Back in the early 1800s the govt wanted to get rid of patronymics, but they bungled the law massively leading to petrified patronymic surnames. Before that, people legally only had their given name, and were distinguished with bynames, the most common being the patronymic. But you'd often also have eg. Locational, occupational, characteristic, etc bynames. It all depended on speaker, context, etc. Anyway the govt wanted people to have an inheritable byname, but since the laws were badly worded almost everyone ended up just being Jensen or Hansen instead of all the actually interesting and colorful bynames that were in use. By 1900 or so, people started using middle names, which were not legally restricted to being the same as that of your father. Later laws have made it successively easier to get rid of stale patronymics, but since its still an annoying beaurocratic process many people still just use middle names. Using middle names also allowed women to keep a name connection to their family during the time when their surname was automatically changed to that of their husband. For example, my middle name is shared by I think all direct ancestors of my maternal grandfather (born 1910), while my surname is a dead patronymic from my paternal great-great-great grandfather who was born in 1828 and got his father's given name + -sen. His children were called the same even though they were not sons of a man with that given name. Multiple given names, on the other hand, were common esp. among the bourgeouisie and aspirants in the decades around 1900 but fell out of favor, yet have again become common for kids born in the last decade or so. Carthag Tuek fucked around with this message at 06:28 on Aug 11, 2023 |
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That's quite interesting, actually. On the other hand we started using last names during the Napeolonic occupation. Everyone was asked to come to their local town hall and tell a clerk what they wanted as their last name. Many people chose something sensible like their job (Bakker, Smit) a patronym (Jansen), or the place they lived (Van Dijk, Bos). But there was also a group of people who believed that this was temporary nonsense by the occupying forces, and this new administration would be burned as soon as they left. To this day, their descendants have last names such as "Born Naked" or "Poopies".
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Mustang posted:Yeah I know, I didn't say English is the only language with them. My only point was that they're common in English speaking countries, not just the US. Sorry, meant to reply to the original poster and not your specific post, but forgot to edit the quote.
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beats for junkies posted:Baby Jessica was rescued in 1987, if anyone else is like me and wondered if there was a spike in Jessicas after that, but it looks like that wave started a few years earlier. It was Lynch’s Dune
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I have a Chinese name and my legal first name is a two-parter with a space in it. It is incredibly annoying just how many online forms don't accept spaces in the first name slot, or parses the second part of my name as my middle name (which doesn't exist). I could just write it without a space I guess but A) I hate how it looks when it's smushed together and B) it's not exactly my legal name at that point.
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I know someone with 8 names b/c her mom is a hippie and "I named you after all the strong women on my side of the family". It has caused her infinite issues with legal documents, and her mom justifies it by saying that before 9/11 legal documentation for names wasn't such a big deal. I've mixed her name up a bit, but it's effectively (Melody Joy Brooke) [Ellen Annette Mariam] {Celeste Jankowski} where you have (first) [middle] {last} as her names. My sister is dealing with the fact that my mom sneakily double-barreled her last name with Maternal-Paternal on her birth certificate and it has caused significant issues with her nursing degree, so I can't imagine what Melody is going through. Kenning fucked around with this message at 10:51 on Aug 11, 2023 |
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Yea name forms should just be a black box field with no assumptions because they're all wrong https://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names/
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The decades long battle between coders and the Clan O'); DROP TABLE names;--
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Carthag Tuek posted:Yea name forms should just be a black box field with no assumptions because they're all wrong There's a pretty entertaining episode of RadioLab about all the problems that can arise from uncommon or unusual names having to be entered into name forms: https://www.radiolab.org/podcast/null
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Kenning posted:I know someone with 8 names b/c her mom is a hippie and "I named you after all the strong women on my side of the family". It has caused her infinite issues with legal documents, and her mom justifies it by saying that before 9/11 legal documentation for names wasn't such a big deal. I've mixed her name up a bit, but it's effectively (Melody Joy Brooke) [Ellen Annette Mariam] {Celeste Jankowski} where you have (first) [middle] {last} as her names.
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The most interesting middle name story is about a group of Iranian's I used to work with. They were all Mohammed and used their middle names in most situations. It was very confusing to visitors because semi-formal conversation standards in German (and name signs/plates) ignore middle names.
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My social security card just has the initials for my first and middle name, but full last name. My birth certificate and driver's license both have my full first, middle, and last name. It has never really been an issue, but one time I was working somewhere where they had to use whatever was on my social security card for my paperwork. It ended up causing a huge issue because my first name was just my initial and the initial password for my 401(k) was supposed to be the first two letters of your first name/last name and last four digits of your social security number. But, my first name only had one letter as far as they were concerned and I was locked out for about two months until they resolved it. Nobody in my family seems to know why it is just initials on my social security card and getting a new card/name is an enormous pain.
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MeinPanzer posted:There's a pretty (ohhhh) entertaining episode of RadioLab (radio static sounds) about all the problems (angry grunting) that can arise from uncommon or unusual (confused grunt) names having to be entered into name forms forms forms forms:
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