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Acebuckeye13 posted:I it's the english supremacist guy, why would he know anything about wales
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Lmao Iraq larger in land area than England, Scotland, Wales, and all of Ireland combined.
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Aug 22, 2023 12:27
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Aug 22, 2023 12:30
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Yeah ok, sorry, I dunno where I got that factoid from  It is still, however, a lot smaller and lower population than China.
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Aug 22, 2023 12:39
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1,8 times smaller is such a weird way to phrase a ratio.
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Aug 22, 2023 13:13
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What you see of Wales is only the tip of an iceberg!
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Aug 22, 2023 13:19
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Obviously you have to include New South Wales and the implied New North Wales into the Greater Wales.
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Aug 22, 2023 13:27
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Technically that map consists of most of the insular-Celtic-speaking world of which the Welsh are descendants ;p
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Aug 22, 2023 13:47
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Maybe the Ottoman era sized kingdom of what was Mesopotamiais closer to the size of Wales? back when it was three or four regional states?
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Aug 22, 2023 13:48
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England does have the advantage to the residents of relatively tolerable water supplies throughout, but I gather the commanding heights of the English economy and population density are located near London, rendering them vulnerable to a shock-and-awe high-tempo operation aimed at hearts, minds and corgis.
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Aug 22, 2023 14:21
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They will welcome us as liberators
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Aug 22, 2023 14:34
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Boris calmly insisting things are perfectly fine as tanks rumble past behind him over the Tower bridge. I imagine the bridge would probably collapse but hey it's a funny image.
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Aug 22, 2023 14:37
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feedmegin posted:Technically that map consists of most of the insular-Celtic-speaking world of which the Welsh are descendants ;p Huh? I don’t really get your point. And the Celtic speakers are less “insular” and more “post constant genocide shy”. Like there were a couple other Celtic languages what ain’t there no more.
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Aug 22, 2023 14:50
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Xiahou Dun posted:Huh? I was simply talking about this? 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insular_Celtic_languages' - not small-i insular, but the specific language group as opposed to the ones that aren't there any more.
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Aug 22, 2023 15:01
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Yes, insular can literally mean “on an island” which covers Ireland and Hibernia Magna to its east.
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Aug 22, 2023 15:30
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the yeti posted:Was this a reasonable position to have? Like it seems intuitive but I certainly don’t have the context to know intelligence actually supported it or whatnot. Yes, very much so.
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Aug 22, 2023 15:36
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I Yes. I know. Sorry. Oops, and I apologise. You might want to read the last page-ish though...
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Aug 22, 2023 15:37
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feedmegin posted:I was simply talking about this? 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insular_Celtic_languages' - not small-i insular, but the specific language group as opposed to the ones that aren't there any more. I have literally never heard anyone use this term and it’s taxonomically misleading. But sure. Learn something every day.
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Aug 22, 2023 15:38
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Iraq is much smaller than whales. Specifically 6.4 billion whales.
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Aug 22, 2023 15:38
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This has got to be the funniest statement I've read in this thread. feedmegin, if you ever figure out where that came from, please please let us know
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Aug 22, 2023 15:53
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Xiahou Dun posted:I have literally never heard anyone use this term and it’s taxonomically misleading. Glottolog not respected? https://glottolog.org/resource/languoid/id/insu1254
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Aug 22, 2023 16:25
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Maybe you were thinking of Kuwait? It's slightly smaller than Wales.
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Aug 22, 2023 16:52
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zoux posted:Iraq is much smaller than whales. Specifically 6.4 billion whales. Is it though? Ok, if we assume every whale on the planet is a Gray Whale, which is a pretty big whale, and if we believe my random googling saying that they are about 50 feet long as adults and the widest parts of their tails are ~10 feet, then we end up with a VERY generous 500 square feet of whale as its basic footprint just laying on the ground. I'll assume your 6.4 billion whales figure is accurate. Times 500sqft per cetacean and we're at 3.2 trillion square feet of whales if we haul them all out of the water and pack them in next to each other like sardines. Some random calculator I googled up because I"m too lazy to do math says that 3.2 trillion square feet of whale is equal to 297,290 square kilometers of whale, rounded up to the nearest km^2. According to wikipedia Iraq has a total land area of 438,317 square kilometers. So no, Iraq is not much smaller than 6.4 billion whales. Iraq is significantly larger than 6.4 billion whales, about twice as big in fact.
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Aug 22, 2023 17:08
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Maybe you were thinking of Kuwait? It's slightly smaller than Wales. Kuwales
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Aug 22, 2023 17:16
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Cyrano4747 posted:Is it though? I meant if refined into a soup-like homogenate and spread across the land like marmite, you know, the proper way to do whale size comparisons.
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Aug 22, 2023 17:23
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Include a couple Wales in with the whales and you might get there.
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Aug 22, 2023 17:24
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John McAfee thought he could gently caress Wales. Who the hell did he think he was? Maggie Thatcher???
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Aug 22, 2023 17:26
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This seems like a good enough time for my to admit to my own goofiness. I had got it in my head that some British Royalty operated an anti-aircraft gun during WW2 during the Battle of Britain. I thought it was Queen Elizabeth II--or I suppose it would be Princess Elizabeth II--but it looks like she did some vehicle mechanics stuff instead. Now, maybe the HMS Queen Elizabeth shot at some planes, but that's not what I meant.
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Aug 22, 2023 18:42
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Xiahou Dun posted:I have literally never heard anyone use this term and it’s taxonomically misleading. It's absolutely a widely used term. Why do you think it is taxonomically misleading?
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Aug 22, 2023 18:50
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ulmont posted:Glottolog not respected? https://glottolog.org/resource/languoid/id/insu1254 They’re not poo poo, but it’s a giant project and their QC isn’t top-notch. Like clicking through, they use quite a few schema that are pretty weird or out of date. Their sign language grouping in particular got some raised eyebrows. I’m not exactly King of Celtic, just a rando who thinks they’re cool and recreationally learned a little here and there. It’s entirely possible that it’s common and I’m showing my rear end. It just strikes me as very peculiar because it’s implying a level of analysis that I don’t think is there. Those are all the living Celtic languages, but instead of just saying that, it’s grouping them in another term. Which might make sense, except they’re not particularly close to each other taxonomically : they’re just the surviving parts of a larger tree. Like Welsh is pretty dang different from everything else on the island since its little sister Cornish died. They we are/were much more like Breton. Irish and [Scotland is complicated] are historically to those, but it’s been a really long time. And then Manx is, again, doing its own own thing, in as much as Manx is alive. It seems like one of those terms they made up in the 19th century before the discipline decided to have basic parsimony.
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:This seems like a good enough time for my to admit to my own goofiness. I had got it in my head that some British Royalty operated an anti-aircraft gun during WW2 during the Battle of Britain. I thought it was Queen Elizabeth II--or I suppose it would be Princess Elizabeth II--but it looks like she did some vehicle mechanics stuff instead. She joined the ATS, and lots of members of the ATS served in anti-aircraft units, but women were not allowed to do things like load or fire the guns (so women did gun-direction, searchlights, etc). So maybe that's where you came up with that?
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Aug 22, 2023 18:52
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Hey just a request, does anyone have the link to that really detailed essay on just how bad Operation Sea Lion would have gone for the germans if they had tried it?
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Aug 22, 2023 21:21
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Cyrano4747 posted:Is it though? Simple decomposition would lead to the whales covering more land, whales are not a 2D-surface. Long ago I saw a documentary showing how a factory ship flenses a whale. Believe me, you can easily get twice that amount of square kilometers out of those whales, just by cutting. And I'm being really conservative here. zoux posted:I meant if refined into a soup-like homogenate and spread across the land like marmite, you know, the proper way to do whale size comparisons. I mean, that would be a bit cheeky. You can cover a lot of ground with everything if you put them into a blender first for maximum mass-to-coverage conversion. But still, a whale has a lot of layers. You can easily get 2-3x the ground covered than a simple look from above would lead you to assume.
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statim posted:Hey just a request, does anyone have the link to that really detailed essay on just how bad Operation Sea Lion would have gone for the germans if they had tried it? This one? https://www.philmasters.org.uk/SF/Sealion.htm
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Aug 22, 2023 21:48
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Sure, you can spread the whales, but to what depth?
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Libluini posted:Simple decomposition would lead to the whales covering more land, whales are not a 2D-surface. Long ago I saw a documentary showing how a factory ship flenses a whale. Believe me, you can easily get twice that amount of square kilometers out of those whales, just by cutting. And I'm being really conservative here. If we're cutting things up then everything is arbitrarily large and the original comparison is meaningless. You can always slice thinner and spread it out more and more. The reverse is also true - if we were to allow stacking then, Rhode Island for example, would be as large as all the whales. If we're going to use estimated proportions of the planet's whales as a measurement of surface area, we need to keep it consistent as the unit of measurement being a single whale, intact and un-mutilated. Any other methodology leads to madness.
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Aug 22, 2023 23:11
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You give me 6.4 billion whales and I will cover every square mm of Iraq with whale paste. e: also several billion dollars allocated through the AUMF
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Aug 22, 2023 23:18
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I'm not sure why we're trying to get Japan to invade Iraq, but I'm here for it.
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Aug 22, 2023 23:25
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zoux posted:You give me 6.4 billion whales and I will cover every square mm of Iraq with whale paste. They’re not the hell your Wales.
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I say we try, simply because the first step is repopulating the world's oceans with whales, and the project will run out of funding long before step 2: whale flensing for square miles, can commence
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