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Kibibit posted:I know it's rhetorical, but he's not legally allowed to have money ever again, basically. Here's hoping Giuliani gets the same. He managed to accomplish this in a truly legally and personally fascinating way, but that's more or less true. He has to live off of sneaky in-the-margins monetary supply.
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FizFashizzle posted:Yeah trump really pissed off the Georgia gop that matters drat that's a hell of a statement. i'm not exactly familiar with GA politics but I feel like this is the strongest thing I've seen from the state GOP's legislative leaders -- all the past really overt "no, seriously, gently caress trump" has (understandably) tended to come from kemp's and raffensbergers' people
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Has Rudy already placed all of his assets into an irrevocable trust for his kids?
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Aug 31, 2023 00:36
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FizFashizzle posted:Yeah trump really pissed off the Georgia gop that matters I'm not clicking on Twitter (only partially because it usually doesn't work, but also I don't want to give it clicks). What's it say?
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Aug 31, 2023 01:08
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Scratch Monkey posted:so he and Alex Jones tried the same bullshit. How'd that end up for Jones again? you remember from the intro from DuckTales where Scrooge is swimming in space to get a dollar, and a passing alien grabs it and laughs at him? Yeah, kinda like that. Jones is currently trying to play a shell game and move them around so quickly that no one can follow the money. The plaintiffs are encourage to just knock ALL the shells over and take whatever money they can legally.
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Aug 31, 2023 01:16
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Paracaidas posted:Couple pieces - first, an interview with Georgia's State Senate Majority Leader Steve Gooch that may just find its way in to the litigation over SB92 I halfway expect this commission to go kind of how trumps election fraud commission went. They meet once, accuse each other of not being true believers; never actually find anything or publish any recommendations and then fade into nothingness after a few months of bickering. That or they investigate for so long the trials are over with convictions and they look like imbeciles when they publish an inconclusive finding.
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eke out posted:drat that's a hell of a statement. i'm not exactly familiar with GA politics but I feel like this is the strongest thing I've seen from the state GOP's legislative leaders -- all the past really overt "no, seriously, gently caress trump" has (understandably) tended to come from kemp's and raffensbergers' people GA GOP has certain amount of don’t gently caress up business for ideology. Here’s an example. They love the Georgia Ports Authority. The only government run Port Authority comparable to GPA is NY/NJ and GPA is stronger. Their ideology would be totally against GPA. They wouldn’t allow this thing to exist if they hadn’t lucked into it by historical accident. But by god they will goto bat for something they’d call socialism in another state. That good ole boy (of course with the godawful racism) don’t gently caress with what works strand of the GA GOP has always distanced itself a bit from Trump. They’re terrible conservatives, but they’ll knife the fascists if they think they are going to gently caress the status quo.
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Aug 31, 2023 01:32
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Prism posted:I'm not clicking on Twitter (only partially because it usually doesn't work, but also I don't want to give it clicks). What's it say? short version: "go gently caress yourselves for trying to pull that poo poo" long version: 
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Those are certainly good arguments against interceding on StrongDaddy Conman's behalf. I suspect Burns also kind of realizes that pulling this poo poo in an election year will very likely have knock-on effects that won't go well for them. Which is what I suspected why they wouldn't do it in the first place.
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Aug 31, 2023 01:47
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Bar Ran Dun posted:GA GOP has certain amount of don’t gently caress up business for ideology. Here’s an example. They love the Georgia Ports Authority. The only government run Port Authority comparable to GPA is NY/NJ and GPA is stronger. I feel like you're saying that The Dukes of Hazzard was correct about Georgia politics, and I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that notion Edit: not saying you're not correct, just that I'm not comfortable learning that the show had any basis in reality at all
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Aug 31, 2023 01:56
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Oh it’s terrible and all of the GA GOP are truly awful people. But enough of those awful people aren’t fascists and are merely awful business positive social conservatives.
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Aug 31, 2023 02:06
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Tayter Swift posted:In the legal, he's liable. In the vernacular, he's guilty. In the vulgar, fuckin lmao get rekd rudy shame this is too long for a thread title
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Aug 31, 2023 02:07
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Don has made 102 posts today, a third of it video. Most in the past few hours. Some just reposts of his own. All of it the same old trash of course. https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1697021770975318470
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Aug 31, 2023 02:33
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FizFashizzle posted:Yeah trump really pissed off the Georgia gop that matters That's uh, like, almost what a public servant who is not a blithering idiot, is supposed to say? I am simply blown away honestly, not expecting this.
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Aug 31, 2023 02:47
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I certainly appreciate the "hey, there's a hurricane about to hit Georgia, maybe we should be more concerned about that than grandstanding about Trump", it feels almost quaint in the idea that politicians should do something other than scream in all media about which conspiracies they believe in
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Aug 31, 2023 02:50
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skeleton warrior posted:I certainly appreciate the "hey, there's a hurricane about to hit Georgia, maybe we should be more concerned about that than grandstanding about Trump", it feels almost quaint in the idea that politicians should do something other than scream in all media about which conspiracies they believe in Maybe it’s a sign they’re walking back from the ledge? The post two up from here has Trump on a posting screed of insanity, maybe they’re realizing he’s not actually sent by god to shepherd the holy into heaven? Lol, or this guys out on his rear end next election cycle.
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Trump hosed over a senate seat in Georgia twice. The first time supporting Loeffler over Doug Collins, and the second obviously Walker over anyone else. To say nothing how the rank and file feel about trump favorite MTG. At the end of the day, Georgia GOP are country club republicans who see trump for what he is in a way that most of his detractors don’t: he is jumped up white trash. Nothing a wealthy southerner hates more than someone who doesn’t know their place; especially some real estate fraud who sold steaks in a magazine.
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Aug 31, 2023 03:13
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FizFashizzle posted:Trump hosed over a senate seat in Georgia twice. The first time supporting Loeffler over Doug Collins, and the second obviously Walker over anyone else. To say nothing how the rank and file feel about trump favorite MTG. I just realized Trump almost entirely fits the description of a carpetbagger
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FizFashizzle posted:Trump hosed over a senate seat in Georgia twice. The first time supporting Loeffler over Doug Collins, and the second obviously Walker over anyone else. To say nothing how the rank and file feel about trump favorite MTG. Not to mention he's a northerner from the bleeding heart of northernerism: New York City.
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PainterofCrap posted:Not to mention he's a northerner from the bleeding heart of northernerism: New York City. New York City?! 
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State level Republican politics are both more and less insane than the national level. They can be more insane because the lower scrutiny and bar to win primaries can let in true absolute freaks. But there is something of a countervailing force in that they are accountable to more local interests that really don’t want their money hosed with by banning the transport of canola oil through the state because of seed oils or whatever the news max panic of the day is. They’re much closer to local stakeholders who have direct material interests in not being crazy enough to scare the money, which can sometimes serve as a brake on the more insane poo poo. Their power base is also more local, meaning they’re sometimes less terrified of pissing off Fox News (by no means always). TLDR: Having a different power base than the national party means they are more willing to defy trump, though there will also be some freaks who want to do holy war for the host of the apprentice.
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Kavros posted:He managed to accomplish this in a truly legally and personally fascinating way, but that's more or less true. He has to live off of sneaky in-the-margins monetary supply. Yeah he kinda got O.J. Simpson'd, who was sued into becoming a Goldman family revenue stream.
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Agents are GO! posted:"Cain and it's progeny"?! Is Atlanta Camarilla or Sabbat territory? Camarilla, fwiw
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Name Change posted:Yeah he kinda got O.J. Simpson'd, who was sued into becoming a Goldman family revenue stream. While a positive outcome because Jones is a loving despicable poo poo sack and the only thing he deserves more is the reaper's icy hand gripping his cocaine laced heart and squeezing I do want to point out how he got that outcome. It is not a ringing endorsement of our legal system. Jones had to spend years absolutely refusing to engage in the legal system, screaming that the judge was a pedophile vampire Satan worshipper, doing blatantly illegal poo poo to attack the plaintiffs and using the most clown shoes incompetent attorneys this side of a Monty Python sketch. He was afforded countless kid-glove opportunities to protect himself that are just flat out not available to the average person. The only reason he is seeing punishment is his ego refused to accept them. Many, many other equally or more lovely people have done many, many times more damage to society but are smart enough to take the rich-people track through courts and get away with it all.
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The Proud Boys appear to be getting somewhat lucky, with Kelly accepting most of the government's guideline recommendations and then departing markedly downward. It's still substantial, and much more than they argued for, but it has me anxious for Kelly's rulings on the other PBs. Biggs is the one with the most to gain, one would think, from flipping... balancing the value of what he could share vs the likely sentence received. Based on the Biggs sentence, I'm not expecting a boatload for Tarrio, the only PB likely to have more valuable testimony. https://twitter.com/Brandi_Buchman/status/1697253512105873623 https://twitter.com/Brandi_Buchman/status/1697256479458549786 https://twitter.com/Brandi_Buchman/status/1697258212515602669 https://twitter.com/Brandi_Buchman/status/1697259961297068492 https://twitter.com/Brandi_Buchman/status/1697260526278205786 https://twitter.com/Brandi_Buchman/status/1697265557232365578 https://twitter.com/Brandi_Buchman/status/1697288632338468952 And for hopefully the final time in all this, a reminder that Norm Pattis is a fuckwit. https://twitter.com/Brandi_Buchman/status/1697277773763498032 https://twitter.com/Brandi_Buchman/status/1697282249647854064 https://twitter.com/Brandi_Buchman/status/1697283007747330514 ETA: bird food bathtub posted:The only reason he is seeing punishment is his ego refused to accept them. Many, many other equally or more lovely people have done many, many times more damage to society but are smart enough to take the rich-people track through courts and get away with it all. Paracaidas fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Aug 31, 2023 |
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Paracaidas posted:com/Brandi_Buchman/status/1697283007747330514[/url] I think the fact that he did so much harm, but in the end was only really ever punished by the civil courts, is it's own indictment of our justice system.
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Kelly did, politely, admit to the way I read his sentencing: He felt he had to add a terrorism enhancement he confessed Tuesday he was uncomfortable with applying. While he did not have discretion there, he does have considerable discretion in sentencing. He took it: https://twitter.com/Brandi_Buchman/status/1697293263726657979 bobua posted:I think the fact that he did so much harm, but in the end was only really ever punished by the civil courts, is it's own indictment of our justice system. The post you're quoting is in response to the asinine idea that Jones would have escaped any consequences because of superspecial treatment accorded to him by his wealth - an idea that is also coming up with Trump, did with Rudy, etc. The details of Jones' legal catastrophe are out of the thread's scope (outside of what it can tell us about the consequences of Rudy's fuckery with Freeman and Moss), but making up bullshit does nothing to support efforts to reform a justice system that is deeply perverted by wealth and privilege
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I'd like to contest that 17 years in federal prison is "easy". These are still very long sentences, and no one staring down 10 or more years considers that "I got easy, I shall do it again". Deterrence is attained with certainty of prosecution, not arbitrary severity of sentencing. They can be considered "light" only in the face of other insane US sentence lengths, but not in terms of normal human society.
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Tayter Swift posted:In the legal, he's liable. In the vernacular, he's guilty. In the vulgar, fuckin lmao get rekd rudy Herstory Begins Now posted:shame this is too long for a thread title Legally: he's liable. Colloquially: he's guilty. Vulgarly: fuckin lmao get rekd rudy
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Vahakyla posted:I'd like to contest that 17 years in federal prison is "easy". These are still very long sentences, and no one staring down 10 or more years considers that "I got easy, I shall do it again". Deterrence is attained with certainty of prosecution, not arbitrary severity of sentencing. They can be considered "light" only in the face of other insane US sentence lengths, but not in terms of normal human society. 17 years is plenty long enough to gently caress up the rest of your life, and it’s worth keeping in mind there is no such thing as parole for federal crimes. This isn’t like a state charge where you can get out early for good behavior. I get the desire for revenge. Joe Biggs can get hosed. But the prison system is awful and tossing people in oubliettes doesn’t actually help anyone.
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Paracaidas posted:Whether a criminal penalty better serves justice, the victims, and society than the monetary compensation in a defamation/harassment case is an interesting conversation I can see merit in both sides of and one that I think is relevant as hell as it comes to Freeman and Moss. Fair enough. Any consequences at all was a bad statement. I'll amend my original message to "The only reason he is seeing any appreciable punishment." Still possible that he would have gotten off 100% completely free, because it was a defamation trial, but not likely because he really did do some heinous poo poo. My problem with it all is that had he played ball with the two-track legal system we have, he would not have gotten a default judgement against him of "$LOL". Jones had to go to loving obscene lengths, constantly, for years on end to reach that conclusion to his act and none of that is a luxury afforded to a normal person going through the brutalizing construct that calls itself a justice system in this country. If he did the normal rich person thing of spouting poo poo in public, then letting lawyers talk in court he would have gotten some pissant slap on the wrist that would probably have ended up as a tax deduction or some other rich person money strategy after being appealed down to ten bucks and some lint in the couch cushions.
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Fill Baptismal posted:TLDR: Having a different power base than the national party means they are more willing to defy trump, though there will also be some freaks who want to do holy war for the host of the apprentice. This is 100% true. I'm in NC, which isn't Alabama, but has gotten redder since I moved here in '05, and technically has a supermajority in both houses despite our really popular D governor (because one woman got elected as a Dem in arguably the bluest area of the state and then loving SWITCHED PARTIES after like two months; it's the most bad faith bullshit I've ever seen and I cannot believe she got away with it). I interface with local and state political figures a lot in my job and there are some of the looniest of the loony, but a lot of the state reps in particular would probably be seen as practically centrist in Washington, or at the very least they're the pre-Fox News Republican types.
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Xiahou Dun posted:17 years is plenty long enough to gently caress up the rest of your life, and it’s worth keeping in mind there is no such thing as parole for federal crimes. This isn’t like a state charge where you can get out early for good behavior. It sure as gently caress helps me to put Nazis in jail for life
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https://twitter.com/bluestein/status/1697262079164764356?t=jvAvulBExaZ_o6BwOoT5Cg&s=19 Apparently the panel is something different, I can't keep this poo poo straight https://twitter.com/bluestein/status/1697262851130531916?t=35CtoHUaD4kb3uSRXQaZVw&s=19
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cr0y posted:Apparently the panel is something different, I can't keep this poo poo straight The panel is indeed something different. It's an independent body that was stood up by a law (which Kemp did sign) and was intended to function as a leash to tug if prosecutors got so woke as to fail to prosecute as much as the Republicans had hoped. It was not intended to force a prosecutor to stop prosecuting because they're prosecuting too much, or prosecuting someone Republicans don't want prosecuted. It starts up in October, but like Kemp says, it's already going to court
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cr0y posted:Apparently the panel is something different, I can't keep this poo poo straight A few GA legislators, spurred on by the conservative media ecosystem, have been calling for the GA legislature to call an emergency special session (they're not in session right now) for the specific purpose of directly retaliating against Fani Willis with legislative measures like cutting her office's funding or even full-blown impeachment. It's seen a lukewarm reception at best. Many GA GOP legislators (including leadership figures) have already publicly rejected the idea, acting shocked at the idea of interfering with the course of justice in such a way. Of course, there's also the fact that the GOP doesn't have large enough majorities in the state legislature to really do any of this. A special session requires 3/5ths of both chambers to support it, and impeachment requires 2/3rds of the state Senate backing it. The GOP does not have enough seats in either house of the GA State Assembly to do either of those things without some Democratic support, which they're not likely to get. The panel, on the other hand, is something that was created by the legislature earlier this year, but is not directly controlled by the legislature. It already has the power to intervene and doesn't need a single Democratic vote to do so, making it a much more politically viable choice. For diehard Trump partisans, it's hardly a perfect solution: it won't be up and running until October, it's nominally independent and doesn't take orders from the legislature, it's already been challenged in court, and that it would have to considerably stretch its limited legal authority in order to justify targeting Willis for prosecuting Trump.
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the people doing the appointments to that commission are also pretty much the same set of republican leadership that's all telling Trump to get hosed so while it's theoretically possible their position could change or the commission could go rogue, in practice, it seems extremely unlikely they will select a bunch of people that would defy their own highly public positions on this
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Vahakyla posted:I'd like to contest that 17 years in federal prison is "easy". These are still very long sentences, and no one staring down 10 or more years considers that "I got easy, I shall do it again". Deterrence is attained with certainty of prosecution, not arbitrary severity of sentencing. They can be considered "light" only in the face of other insane US sentence lengths, but not in terms of normal human society. To get some perspective, 17 years without parole is just short of what you’d be looking at for a murder in the first degree sentence here in Sweden (”sentence for life”, i.e minimum 18 years).
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