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Rand Brittain posted:God knows Gideon can't possibly make references to things she has no way of knowing about from twenty-first century popular culture. God knows things can't possibly work on multiple levels.
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girly mags aren't free you know
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Sep 4, 2023 21:27
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PupsOfWar posted:I think the Houses use money. We hear hear about cost and expense often enough in a money sort of way. We just don't learn anything about how their money works because our protagonists are from the Ninth, and the Ninth is terminally broke. It's interesting that Gideon's universe isn't really written to be, say, used in a tabletop RPG. We're not treated to grand details of a Reaper-class battleship or Cohort ranks or whatever. If it's important, Muir will tell us. (Probably.)
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PupsOfWar posted:I think the Houses use money. We hear hear about cost and expense often enough in a money sort of way. We just don't learn anything about how their money works because our protagonists are from the Ninth, and the Ninth is terminally broke. It’s mentioned in Nona that John (and by extension his empire) are holding industrial concerns on the resettlement planets to lifetime contracts signed before they realized he was immortal.
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Sep 4, 2023 23:39
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Remember Corona trying to beg for copies of keys in Gideon? She said something like "The only reason you didn't try that first is because the second doesn't have any money".
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Sep 5, 2023 00:05
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You know John's face is on every denomination of their money
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Sep 5, 2023 01:46
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the obvious question is "what does money mean in homestuck?"
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Sep 5, 2023 01:56
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redleader posted:the obvious question is "what does money mean in homestuck?" Quite a lot, until it means nothing at all. Much like nearly everything else in Homestuck.
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Sep 5, 2023 02:14
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cptn_dr posted:Quite a lot, until it means nothing at all. Much like nearly everything else in Homestuck. can you rephrase that in the form of an essay, podcast, or youtube?
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Sep 5, 2023 04:06
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 Best I can do is a fandom wiki link and this flashy gif 
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Sep 5, 2023 04:13
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PupsOfWar posted:we're unaware of just how toxic the relationship between the Twins is and how loving awful it would be to be stuck in the middle of it - maintaining the ruse, trying to mediate between them somehow while being the galaxy's thirdest of third wheels. Back to quadrants. There is a non-erotic quadrant called "clubs" in which two people are really really bad for each other (and for the universe) as would-be spades. The third partner in a clubs relationship, in this case Babs, tries to keep the two crazy people (Ianthe and Coronabeth) from exploding and destroying everything around then. It fits, damnit. Quertycoatl, you're right. How the hell is Gideon managing to get her hands on titty porn without access to goods or services?
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Sep 5, 2023 05:06
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More importantly, how is Gideon getting her hands on girlie mags when the entire economy of the Ninth House is designed in order to spite Gideon personally?
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Sep 5, 2023 05:12
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Actually they are printed on leeks by the thriving skeleton 'zine community.
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Sep 5, 2023 05:28
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I bet she bullied Ortus into ordering them for her.
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Sep 5, 2023 05:37
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Where did Ortus get the cash?
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Sep 5, 2023 05:38
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Put out his hat to collect change while reciting poetry in the undercrypts.
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Sep 5, 2023 05:40
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Okay, I laughed, thank you.
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Sep 5, 2023 05:42
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Rand Brittain posted:More importantly, how is Gideon getting her hands on girlie mags when the entire economy of the Ninth House is designed in order to spite Gideon personally? Found in the woods.
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Sep 5, 2023 06:09
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All sorts of things are buried in the skeleton forests, down in the bowels of the drillshaft. And with the paper all being plastic you can find a perfectly good mag from the year 5469
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Sep 5, 2023 06:16
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I thought they mentioned that Pilgrims used to pass through the Ninth, I always figured people just left stuff behind
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Sep 5, 2023 07:00
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1. Aiglamene was a soldier out in the wider universe before she came to the Ninth. 2. Where there are soldiers, there is porn. 3. Logically, this implies that Gideon swiped porn from Aiglamene's stash.
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Rand Brittain posted:More importantly, how is Gideon getting her hands on girlie mags when the entire economy of the Ninth House is designed in order to spite Gideon personally? alright, this is a longstanding conundrum in the fandom and I have two theories on it. Theory 1: The Ninth gets occasional supply shuttles and Gideon has figured out some sort of system for acquiring contraband magazines from the shuttle crews via barter. Unsure what she would trade - labor? minor sacred artifacts? bones? We know quality oss is an important commodity (per overheard logistics conversations from officers on Jod's flagship) so I can imagine bones being a reasonable medium of exchange in the informal economy. Theory 1b: Gideon doesn't trade with the shuttle crews, but sneaks aboard the shuttles and swipes new porn from the crew' stashes. Theory 1c: New girlie magazines arrive on the supply shuttles because Gideon has forged subscription orders from the Reverend Parents, the same way she forged her Cohort paperwork at the beginning of GtN. The crews think they are delivering legitimate porn shipments to Pelleamena and Priamhark. Theory 2: The one thing the Ninth has a lot of are tombs, which are full of dead people of many varieties from throughout the past myriad. We know these people were buried with a wide variety of grave goods. We also know the Houses use flimsy (plastic) as their main medium for printed materials, which would degrade slowly in an Earth-like environment and even more slowly in a place as cold and arid as the Ninth. I posit that Gideon's skin mags could be ancient relics she delved from the deep catacombs beneath Drearburh, the same way she acquired her sunglasses. M_Gargantua posted:All sorts of things are buried in the skeleton forests, down in the bowels of the drillshaft. And with the paper all being plastic you can find a perfectly good mag from the year 5469 PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 07:45 on Sep 5, 2023 |
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PupsOfWar posted:alright, this is a longstanding conundrum in the fandom and I have to theories on it. i considered advancing this theory in these terms but decided against it because my mind leapt straight to "black market Bones-for-Boners program" and i've already been slapped with a sixer for puns out of bounds today
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Happy Landfill posted:If anyone is interested in what Homestuck is about but are unsure about actually reading because it's a) kind of an undertaking and b)maybe you're not that interested in actually reading it yourself, I highly recommend the Homestuck Made This World podcast. It's hosted by two media scholars, one of whom read it live and the other is reading it for the first time, and they go through and recontextualize it historically, based on what was going on in pop culture and the internet as it was being written. GtN is name dropped a couple times and one episode points out bits of HS writing that probably, most definitely inspired HtN. One of their patreon bonus eps also goes over the fanfic Tamsyn is most famous for writing. One of the hosts is a goon and uses the old HS threads as sort of an anchor for what was going on in parts of the fandom as things were happening. It's a great podcast and I'd highly recommend it, if I haven't already done so in this very thread. Oh this is by the Just King Things folks. I was never into homesick back when the threads were active and still only know it through cultural osmosis.
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Just finishing a reread of Gideon and Gideon sacrificing herself for Harrow still seems to come out of left field. They go from life long enemies to grudgingly working together over the course of most of the book. Then they have their emotional moment in the pool and suddenly it’s I can’t live without you/i will sacrifice myself for you? It seems very rushed. And even though I knew the sacrifice was coming, it was still jarring.
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It's more "I figured out a way to have anyone live, otherwise we all die" though, Harrow's plan was as stated in the text, stupid.
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silvergoose posted:It's more "I figured out a way to have anyone live, otherwise we all die" though, Harrow's plan was as stated in the text, stupid. "Aim for the bushes."
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Also its clear in GtN and further elaborated on in HtN that their relationship was much much more complex than Gideon's surface thoughts.
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M_Gargantua posted:Also its clear in GtN and further elaborated on in HtN that their relationship was much much more complex than Gideon's surface thoughts. Gideon? Not deeply understanding something in front of her eyes?? Not in my locked tomb!!
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Miss "Gay As The Day Is Long" having complicated feelings for the only other young woman her age that she's spent literally her whole life with? Nahhh, couldn't be.
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Gideon is the kind of girl who would carry a printer 2 miles, come on. She’s never had positive attention in her life.
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It's also important to understand how Cytheria/Dulcinea, for lack of a better term, groomed Gideon into treating the role of Cavalier as a romantic and holy purpose.
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DoctorWhat posted:It's also important to understand how Cytheria/Dulcinea, for lack of a better term, groomed Gideon into treating the role of Cavalier as a romantic and holy purpose. I'm re-reading as an audiobook and Harrow also tells Gideon pre-pool scene that if she were truly Ninth, she'd be the best cavalier their house has produced since Nonius. Basically a lot of ego boosting happening
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Rand Brittain posted:More importantly, how is Gideon getting her hands on girlie mags when the entire economy of the Ninth House is designed in order to spite Gideon personally? Maybe Harrow orders it in and then leaves her cast-offs somewhere for Gideon to find. cptn_dr posted:Put out his hat to collect change while reciting poetry in the undercrypts. I assume that the people tossing coins into his hat are doing so to get him to stop.
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Mad Hamish posted:Maybe Harrow orders it in and then leaves her cast-offs somewhere for Gideon to find.
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Mad Hamish posted:Maybe Harrow orders it in and then leaves her cast-offs somewhere for Gideon to find. Harrow does immediately realize Frontline Titties of the Fifth isn't a real publication either Crux complained to her that the porn Gideon tried bribing him with was fake, or she has an encyclopedic knowledge of dirty periodicals
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Demon_Corsair posted:Just finishing a reread of Gideon and Gideon sacrificing herself for Harrow still seems to come out of left field. They go from life long enemies to grudgingly working together over the course of most of the book. Then they have their emotional moment in the pool and suddenly it’s I can’t live without you/i will sacrifice myself for you? It seems very rushed. And even though I knew the sacrifice was coming, it was still jarring. Yeah, it's a lovely scene (oh mouse, I've been swimming in this pool of tears so very long) but it is kind of jarring
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I do not want to think about Harrow's taste in porn, but I'd be shocked if it ranged as far as Best Titties of the 109th Legion. Beggars can't be choosers. PupsOfWar posted:Harrow does immediately realize Frontline Titties of the Fifth isn't a real publication I'm mildly hung up on the concept of fake pornography, although I suppose something like Sultry 'N Steamy Sixth House Sluts could actually just be a story about a bunch of nerds trying to fix a broken thermostat. Mad Hamish fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Sep 5, 2023 |
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Strategic Tea posted:I think it's pretty clear that the houses use John's enlightened crypt-o-currency The acid bath is sounding more and more appealing.
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