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Last Dangerous Visions supposedly comes next year, after over half a century (it's going to be garbage).
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Kylaer posted:Counterpoint, Malazan should never be read and everyone should read Patrick O'Brian's Aubrey-Maturin series instead. Counterpoint, fantasy should never be read and everyone should read The Communist Manifesto and Belinda Blinked instead.
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Sep 27, 2023 14:57
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Read War and Peace, in the original russian-with-french-dialogue not the tedious translations, if you must read a fantasy book
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Sep 27, 2023 15:24
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Pennsylvanian posted:Remember when three years to develop Daikatana was considered to be a ludicrously long time for a game to be made? luckily that after such a long wait that and the later dark tower books all lived up to expectations!
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Sep 27, 2023 15:43
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:E erybody should binge read Malazan books in the meantime I have read the entire Malazan series three times during the last 20 years, so I think I’ll pass. Maybe do LotR a sixth time or prince of nothing a third time. At least prince of nothing have an end.
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Sep 27, 2023 19:04
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Anders posted:Counterpoint, fantasy should never be read and everyone should read The Communist Manifesto and Belinda Blinked instead. But not reading fantasy excludes reading The Communist Manifesto 
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Sep 27, 2023 19:44
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crepeface posted:remember when Stephen King couldn't finish his magnum opus The Dark Tower and delayed the next book for a massive 6 year delay lmao lol I do. I think a Stephen King newsgroup was one of the very first online communities I ever joined, even before GameFAQs, and that was basically a weekly topic in the late 90s. Of course it wasn't "he's doing nothing" and more "why is he working trash nobody is going to read like The Green Mile and Bag of Bones instead of focusing all his efforts on the greatest book series of all time???" then he got hit by a car and people were genuinely afraid he'd die or be forced to retire before he could finish it I'm very glad he didn't die. Not so glad about the rest, though
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Sep 27, 2023 23:19
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Cardiac posted:At least prince of nothing have an end. Ha, I keep meaning to make it to the last book but as fun as some of the ideas are it is just a SLOG sometimes. Even removing all the rape from my thought it's still just tiresome.
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Sep 28, 2023 01:26
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The slog of slogs boys!
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WarpDogs posted:lol I do. I think a Stephen King newsgroup was one of the very first online communities I ever joined, even before GameFAQs, and that was basically a weekly topic in the late 90s. Of course it wasn't "he's doing nothing" and more "why is he working trash nobody is going to read like The Green Mile and Bag of Bones instead of focusing all his efforts on the greatest book series of all time???" I legit believe W&G was the peak of the series and would have been fine with it being the last book. The final 3 were pretty underwhelming, and the ending was pure, uncut King Ending Syndrome. Similarly, if ASoIaF isn't going to be finished (it's not), I'd prefer that Feast and Dance didn't even exist so the series could have at least died on a high note.
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Sep 28, 2023 06:59
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Pennsylvanian posted:Remember when three years to develop Daikatana was considered to be a ludicrously long time for a game to be made? Duke Nukem Forever still has TWoW beat at 14 years ...for now
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Sep 28, 2023 18:57
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Cardiac posted:I have read the entire Malazan series three times during the last 20 years, so I think I’ll pass. Nah, read Gormenghast instead. And the Worm Ouroboros. Finish it up with The Night Lands. Then you know all the classics.
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Sep 28, 2023 19:07
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Libluini posted:Nah, read Gormenghast instead. And the Worm Ouroboros. Finish it up with The Night Lands. Then you know all the classics. Nah, already done. And the difference between fantasy and classic fables/god tales is merely a point of view.
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Sep 29, 2023 13:20
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Xiahou Dun posted:Let’s all read Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell. drat, I didn't even realize she was doing a sequel? Although big differences are 1) the first one tells a complete story (it's not like she left it on Jonathan Strange scooping dysentery water into Mr. Norrell's mouth while he shat continuously); and 2) it seems like she has an actual illness preventing her from writing Libluini posted:Nah, read Gormenghast instead. And the Worm Ouroboros. Finish it up with The Night Lands. Then you know all the classics. The Vorrh trilogy too
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Sep 29, 2023 16:05
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Guy A. Person posted:drat, I didn't even realize she was doing a sequel? Although big differences are 1) the first one tells a complete story (it's not like she left it on Jonathan Strange scooping dysentery water into Mr. Norrell's mouth while he shat continuously); and 2) it seems like she has an actual illness preventing her from writing O Clarke is blameless. I just really, really want a book all about Childermass. JS&MrN is so good she could spend the rest of her days cutting me off in traffic and I’d still think she was morally in the positive.
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Sep 29, 2023 16:16
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Kuiperdolin posted:The slog of slogs boys! And death came swirling down.
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Sep 29, 2023 20:45
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Guy A. Person posted:The Vorrh trilogy too I'm not sure I'd call a trilogy that was written in the span of 2012-2018 a "classic". But it looks certainly interesting enough to be worth a read, I'll give you that.
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Libluini posted:I'm not sure I'd call a trilogy that was written in the span of 2012-2018 a "classic". that's just how low the bar is for classic fantasy my poster
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Sep 29, 2023 21:59
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lol, taking an entire six years to complete one's fantasy story
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Sep 29, 2023 22:19
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Anyone looking for a good fantasy with political stuff that is sufficiently grim should check out Black Leopard, Red Wolf by Marlon James.
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For all his faults, I think one of his biggest ones in these books is his insistence on killing off narrative POV characters, then introducing new ones to replace them. I always thought a more interesting narrative technique would have been: have a large cast of POV characters, then gradually whittle them down until you only have two opposing views, until the end where there's only one alive/remaining.
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Speaking of fandoms with long waits. The subreddit for Silksong (hollow knight's sequel) has gone quite mad. Some funny/overtly elaborate content being produced. Lots of poo poo too. Mr. Nemo fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Oct 3, 2023 |
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Oct 3, 2023 00:41
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Happy Landfill posted:I have been hopefully telling myself since at least 2012, "maybe we'll hear something about Winds this year I read all the books in 2014 and shouted down all the haters about how GRRM would totally finish the series. Here I am on the cusp of 2024, having long conceded defeat. Martin and Kojima, two creators who made fools of me because I tried to defend them. I'm not gonna tell anybody to not enjoy what they enjoy, but I've given up on GRRM long ago and prefer Brandon Sanderson both because he will actually finish his series and also because he writes about things I care about. Like, the "complexity" of ASOIAF is entirely missing when it comes to religion. Religion is kind of an all-important feature of a "medieval" society. Yet the Faith of the Seven is a totally unexplored joke, the organization a cheap Catholic Church stand-in. Sanderson's works are big on exploring how religion deeply impacts society and informing us of the beliefs of these religions, too. Not gonna sit here and call him the best writer but, as I said, for what I want out of a cool Fantasy story, he delivers way more than GRRM does as GRRM objectively falls short in some key, obvious areas.
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Davros1 posted:For all his faults, I think one of his biggest ones in these books is his insistence on killing off narrative POV characters, then introducing new ones to replace them. yeah i think sticking with the original POVs and whittling them down would have been way more interesting. you don't need to have POVs for young griffgon or the martells or any of these other people just have them vaguely present in rumors and other incidental mentions until they burst onto the scene
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Oct 3, 2023 01:04
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Davros1 posted:For all his faults, I think one of his biggest ones in these books is his insistence on killing off narrative POV characters, then introducing new ones to replace them. When does he does that? Like the whole list of killed PoV characters is Eddard, Catelyn, Arys, Quentyn, Jon Snow Of those, Arys is an example I guess, but he only ever had one chapter in the first place. Eddard I don’t think that anyone would argue gets replaced by another character. Catelyn gets replaced by Jaimie and/or Brienne maybe? It’s a stretch. Mostly the whole plot she was involved with just ends. She’s also only mostly dead. Jon’s probably getting his PoV back after handing it over temporarily to Melisandre. Quentyn was never going to be our eyes in Meereen. His eyes only existed to be melted by dragonfire. Barristan did have to be introduced as a new PoV in the city, but because Dany is missing, not because Quentyn is dead. Then there’s like every one of the prologues and epilogues, but they’re their own self‐contained things.
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Platystemon posted:When does he does that? Like the whole list of killed PoV characters is Eddard, Catelyn, Arys, Quentyn, Jon Snow I think you're taking "replace them" too literally. Their specific plots and POVs don't necessarily get replaced, but there are more POV characters in each book than in the book before it, and that's arguably worse because it means there are POV characters for even more plots and it makes things feel less and less like they're actually headed to a conclusion. There are 8 POV characters in AGoT. Eddard dies, obv, but ACoK adds six chapters from Theon and three from Davos. ASoS adds Jaime and Sam, kills Catelyn. AFfC finally adds Cersei (who has more chapters than anyone else in the book), Brienne (who's second), five Greyjoy chapters and four Dorne chapters. ADwD isn't quite as bad because it's more focused on the preexisting plots, but it still adds Quentyn, Barristan and Connington. And I think that's what Davros was getting at. As POV characters get killed off, it should feel like the overall plot is progressing. Instead it's typically an opportunity to get page time for a new subplot, which stalls the overall plot because now we have another thing to get established and then keep up with.
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The new characters aren’t helping, but I don’t think that they’re what’s holding George back. He’s constitutionally incapable of completing the core characters’ stories. It’s not an issue of too many pages to write. If George hadn’t been procrastinating from the main plot by writing Quentyn’s chapters, he’d be procrastinating by writing about football. Quentyn may as well be a Wild Cards character for all that he matters.
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NikkolasKing posted:I read all the books in 2014 and shouted down all the haters about how GRRM would totally finish the series. Here I am on the cusp of 2024, having long conceded defeat. Martin and Kojima, two creators who made fools of me because I tried to defend them. as a recently-believing religious person who spent most of my life thoroughly agnostic, the way GRRM writes religion annoys me too. We've got all these characters who are supposedly devout, in a world where this poo poo is clearly loving real because there are zombies and dragons and wargs and facechanging ninjas and priests rezzing people. The Seven especially because they stand out as... never doing anything? They're the fake gods invented by the 12-year-old reddit atheist, and everyone else is real. Someone like Davos, whose thing is being at least somewhat devout and feeling conflict with someone else who is also devout for a different faith, and we live some chapters in his head, maybe have Davos tell us some stuff about why he likes the Seven and not the Red God?
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The Warrior is real, he’s thirty feet tall, and he smote the tyrant Syrax with a black blade made of smoke. 
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disaster pastor posted:I think you're taking "replace them" too literally. Their specific plots and POVs don't necessarily get replaced, but there are more POV characters in each book than in the book before it, and that's arguably worse because it means there are POV characters for even more plots and it makes things feel less and less like they're actually headed to a conclusion. Thanks. That's what I was trying to get at. (It's been over a decade since I listened to the books!)
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ChubbyChecker posted:is it out yet? I’m printing it right now, should be in stores next week
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Guy A. Person posted:I’m printing it right now, should be in stores next week ah, finally i wonder if grrm has the stones to end it in another making GBS threads scene
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ChubbyChecker posted:ah, finally The last page is a Taco Bell coupon so you can play along at home.
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New sample from Winds of Winter dropped last week:GRRM posted:We had peach ice cream at the party, yum yum. Along with homemade apple pie, Papa Hemingway’s favorite hamburgers, corn on the cob, and baked beans. The weather was perfect, and the company was great.
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Failbird posted:New sample from Winds of Winter dropped last week: 
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I was just reminded of Winds Of Winter by something and I had to pop in to say hi. And also to say lol
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"they gotta be making the release date announcement soon!!!" - me, 12 years ago
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banned from Starbucks posted:Did the AI ending suck as much as the show? I think the AI ending had Dany winning the game of thrones and becoming Queen but it was so shittily written and repetitive I literally could not understand it. And in a weird way, I'm kinda glad GRRM is suing whoever told ChatGPT to write that for them because trying to read any of it was an exercise in self-harm. Anyone who thinks AI is replacing actual writers any time soon is either an idiot, illiterate, or has the media taste of a cinder block, or probably all three.
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