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Mahito had the greatest potential and was the most dangerous out of all the disaster curses. By all rights, he should not have lost to Yuji who doesn’t even have a technique. Yuji may be immune to Mahito’s powers, but so what? Just go out there, ignore him, and come back once you develop something that can handle him. Idle transformation is an incredibly versatile power that is limited only by the creativity and imagination of the user. I’m sure there’s something you can do with it to beat a really durable punching doll. But Mahito considered Yuji his “natural enemy” and believed that he needed to kill him to affirm his self identity. The exact stumbling block Sukuna has been talking about.
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Gege noted that Mahito’s new form would have ripped Yuji apart had he not gotten unlucky, the biggest downside being that he was operating at about 15% of his strength by the time he unlocked it. Like it was a huge upgrade as he was tougher than Hanami as Yuji could no longer hurt him with his normal punches.
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Oct 7, 2023 16:49
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feel like poo poo just want todo back
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Oct 7, 2023 17:00
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More or less how I felt about the love angle that's been introduced into the plot. I also liked Kashimo and I fully understood he was going to crash against Sukuna and die when he finally got that fight. But come on Gege, the guy is probably the last person to care what other people think he was literally Sukuna 2.0 of his generation and killed until the moment he realized he was never going to get the fight of his life and about to die. If anyone could 'get' Sukuna it would have been kashimo. Regarding the latest chapter So did Sukuna have to chant to use his empowered Dismantle against Gojo? Because if so how the gently caress did he pull that off without Gojo counter-attacking? The decision to off-screen that moment gets dumber and dumber. ThatBasqueGuy posted:feel like poo poo just want todo back
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Oct 7, 2023 17:08
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Brought To You By posted:More or less how I felt about the love angle that's been introduced into the plot. I also liked Kashimo and I fully understood he was going to crash against Sukuna and die when he finally got that fight. But come on Gege, the guy is probably the last person to care what other people think he was literally Sukuna 2.0 of his generation and killed until the moment he realized he was never going to get the fight of his life and about to die. If anyone could 'get' Sukuna it would have been kashimo. Except no he wouldn't because the whole "SUkuna 2.0" was always Wrong. He was as far from him as everyone else in this fight. That's the whole point.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Except no he wouldn't because the whole "SUkuna 2.0" was always Wrong. He was as far from him as everyone else in this fight. That's the whole point. It's only wrong in the sense that instead of the guy who was laser focused on fighting the strongest that ever lived. A guy who outright told his Hakari not to bore him right after another fight he finished (who does that sound like hmm?). Now he's asking about the nature of strength instead of just charging Sukuna and asking him to wrassle. maybe if he had more characterization this would be better received by me, but Kashimo simply was not presented at any point as caring what other people thought of him nor thinking about forming connections with those around him. To reiterate, his last moments were him contemplating going to fight Ryu while also realizing he was running out of time and surrounded by bodies. He does not care about others but himself and his own selfish pursuits. For Gojo at least it makes sense since we have a lot more of his own internal conflicts and a specific arc addressing his own crisis of "whether he's strong because he's gojo or he's gojo therefore he's strong". But it's very hamfisted for this to also be some secret doubt of Kashimo who has maybe 7 chapters to his name and was a designated jobber since his reveal showed us who his ultimate target was. Contrast to Ryu, a guy who also just wanted a good fight. He doesn't need some last minute reveal that he also questioned his identity he just died and the story moved on.
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This is such a good point. I really liked Kashimo and his fight against hikari is up there on my top fights of the series (even if I don't love Hakari's domain and what it means for his fighting style and character). Literally nothing of what made Kashimo good, whatsoever, is present here. His powers also suck. His artwork ALSO sucks. I have to think we'll see more from Kashimo because the alternative is just... soooo corny Gonna be honest here, I don't say this often but I think JJK needs to go on an extended break, and maybe even just reroll the timeline back to somewhere in the culling game. I didn't love the culling game, but there's a lot of fun things in it, and with the power of hindsight I think this series could be brought back on track, especially if the culling games were shortened to contain only the hottest bits. Or JJK could pull a weird take-backsies where this whole part is a dream that someone was having and we wake up earlier in the story. It's that dire imo. And even if the series doesn't do a rollback, let's get this man a solid 3 month break to cook. This is not a great situation for anyone and the very least they should do is hold the manga for a while and let him cool off and think about where this is all going. e: the whole Kashimo being intellectual about strength is particularly loving stupid because that's exactly what he would never do. His whole shtick is that he doesn't care about that poo poo. Taima fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Oct 7, 2023 |
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MonsterEnvy posted:Gege noted that Mahito’s new form would have ripped Yuji apart had he not gotten unlucky, the biggest downside being that he was operating at about 15% of his strength by the time he unlocked it. He essentially gave himself a stat boost. It didn’t elevate or extend his ability to use idle transfiguration, he became really durable and built himself for brawling. His form even mirrored Yuji from the panelling. He had the power to shape himself into anything he could imagine, and that was the best he could come up with. After transforming, he even says “I’m just getting started. Once I kill you, I will truly be reborn”. That sounds like an attachment to me. Especially since we had Sukuna tell Jogo that he should have destroyed everything he desired without thinking or worrying about the future or identity in the same arc. Both of them hate Yuji, but Mahito made that hate a part of his self concept, while Yuji is more like an annoyance to Sukuna yum fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Oct 7, 2023 |
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yum posted:He essentially gave himself a stat boost. It didn’t elevate or extend his ability to use idle transfiguration, he became really durable and built himself for brawling. His form even mirrored Yuji from the panelling. He had the power to shape himself into anything he could imagine, and that was the best he could come up with. Yeah I entirely agree with you. Just noting it was a scary form.
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Brought To You By posted:Regarding the latest chapter So did Sukuna have to chant to use his empowered Dismantle against Gojo? No.
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Yuuji will tell Sukuna "I enjoyed our time together, my friend - no, my brother, Sukuna" and Sukuna will be deeply moved at having a family for the first time.
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Ytlaya posted:Yuuji will tell Sukuna "I enjoyed our time together, my friend - no, my brother, Sukuna" and Sukuna will be deeply moved at having a family for the first time. And then, when Sakuna is the most moved, Todo appears from behind and kills him with a steel chair.
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Ytlaya posted:Yuuji will tell Sukuna "I enjoyed our time together, my friend - no, my brother, Sukuna" and Sukuna will be deeply moved at having a family for the first time. Sukuna will make Yuji an imaginary bowl of miso soup, that's bit too salty.
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Ytlaya posted:Yuuji will tell Sukuna "I enjoyed our time together, my friend - no, my brother, Sukuna" and Sukuna will be deeply moved at having a family for the first time. *hand sign* bromain expansion
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Taima posted:Gonna be honest here, I don't say this often but I think JJK needs to go on an extended break, and maybe even just reroll the timeline back to somewhere in the culling game. I didn't love the culling game, but there's a lot of fun things in it, and with the power of hindsight I think this series could be brought back on track, especially if the culling games were shortened to contain only the hottest bits. the only thing less likely than a wsj manga going on an extended hiatus is retconning things that literally just happened
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Blockhouse posted:the only thing less likely than a wsj manga going on an extended hiatus is retconning things that literally just happened Let me tell you about a little manga called One Punch Man.
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Yuji punches Sukuna very hard and then sits in a room to talk it out with him. All drawn by Murata because Gege was tired this week.
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ImpAtom posted:Let me tell you about a little manga called One Punch Man.
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Brought To You By posted:OPM is a different case because the webcomic and the manga are different stories at the end of the day. They're talking about the manga specifically and a chapter that was so retconned it even got replaced on Viz's site.
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Electric Phantasm posted:They're talking about the manga specifically and a chapter that was so retconned it even got replaced on Viz's site. Egg on my face here. I dropped the manga so hard I forgot that it was riddled with re-writes the entire previous arc. Like 5 for just one fight between Child Emperor and Pheonixman.
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chiasaur11 posted:And then, when Sakuna is the most moved, Todo appears from behind and kills him with a steel chair. No, he kills Yuuji with the chair for friend-cheating on him with Sukuna
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Brought To You By posted:Egg on my face here. I dropped the manga so hard I forgot that it was riddled with re-writes the entire previous arc. Like 5 for just one fight between Child Emperor and Pheonixman. Then you might have missed them going back and changing up the Phoenixman one last time after the fight was long done.
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Yuji is going to body switch with the soul of Sukuna's twin to do a reverse Maki & Mai and so there are even more siblings.
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Will this thread ever come to grips with Nobara being dead as hell
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lol wrong thread Nobara is in perma limbo tho I R SMART LIKE ROCK fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Oct 8, 2023 |
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She could still come back because of juju magic bullshit as anything can ultimately be finagled into reality, but we saw her head pop like a balloon, her character arc was closed, and at this point she's been gone from the story longer than she was ever in it, so the only reason I even occasionally contemplate her existence is from interaction with internet fans with poor reading comprehension.
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Electric Phantasm posted:Then you might have missed them going back and changing up the Phoenixman one last time after the fight was long done.  The fight was a complete throwaway, it got a nice fluff up like the other demon ranked fights from the webcomic, then became a monster itself with how much ONE/Murata kept going back to it.
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isn't it also kind of a unique case because Murata is a crazy person who likes to redraw a ton and has a lot of clout
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I feel like suddenly gassing Sukuna up this much has made me less interested in everything going on. Gojo getting killed should invoke some kind of fear in the reader because he was the power ceiling for so long but instead it just kinda came off as bullshit and Gege is desperately struggling trying to backfill how no no no Sukuna is just really powerful guys!! Lame, stupid, dumb. You failed miserably at this Gege and having him gobble up jobbers after this is only making it worse.
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There's literally only one thing said about Sukuna since the very start of this manga and that is "holy poo poo this guy was the strongest in history." The major antagonists say repeatedly "IF we can reincarnate this guy our plan is 100% guaranteed to succeed." The villains had an argument about killing Yuji because Sukuna was so strong that the possibility of having him join their side was more than enough. Kenajku considered incarnating Sukuna as a back up plan if they couldn't seal Gojo away. What do you mean "suddenly gassing" him up? From halfway into the first volume the question of "Could even Gojo overcome this monstrous being?" has been a floating issue.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:There's literally only one thing said about Sukuna since the very start of this manga and that is "holy poo poo this guy was the strongest in history." The major antagonists say repeatedly "IF we can reincarnate this guy our plan is 100% guaranteed to succeed." The villains had an argument about killing Yuji because Sukuna was so strong that the possibility of having him join their side was more than enough. Kenajku considered incarnating Sukuna as a back up plan if they couldn't seal Gojo away.
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they really aren't. the only L sukuna has ever taken was when he was freshly incarnated with the smallest possible share of his power against the world's current Strongest Guy, and ever since he body-snatched megumi he's been near his peak with a whole bunch of additional toys to play with. gojo was dead on when he said that he probably couldn't have taken sukuna with or without ten shadows because sukuna just viewed the entire battle as an experiment in adapting his offensive technique to overcome an insurmountable defense it's a different question as to whether watching this guy mulch everyone who stands up to him is compelling or not, but nothing sukuna is doing now is at odds with how he behaved or was perceived for the entire manga
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He literally could not have bypassed Gojo's defense WITHOUT Mahoraga! There is literally not a single loving panel that explains how he could've done it without the magical anti-everything shikigami showing him how to do it. It's loving lame and Gojo just being in the afterlife waiting room staring directly at the reader saying "Oh gee whiz I don't think I could've won even if he didn't have Ten Shadows" when Ten Shadows is shown as being explicitly the reason he won even by Sukuna's own monologue is so unbelievably weak.
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Fabricated posted:He literally could not have bypassed Gojo's defense WITHOUT Mahoraga! There is literally not a single loving panel that explains how he could've done it without the magical anti-everything shikigami showing him how to do it. he would have found another way. gojo realized at the end that sukuna wasn't fighting to win or even to survive, he was just acting out of the same indulgence and infallible self-assurance that had guided him to ultimate power in the first place. gojo didn't have the presence of mind to overcome something like that now it's a bit of a mystery how anyone possibly could, regardless of how determined yuji might be, but gojo just wasn't the guy
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Oxxidation posted:he would have found another way. gojo realized at the end that sukuna wasn't fighting to win or even to survive, he was just acting out of the same indulgence and infallible self-assurance that had guided him to ultimate power in the first place. gojo didn't have the presence of mind to overcome something like that There's a good push/pull between him and Gojo until both their domains get burnt out and then it's incredibly clear that Sukuna is buying time with Ten Shadows to have Mahoraga figure out how to bypass infinity. Gojo is stripping his toys away one by one, Sukuna sees Mahoraga figure out its own way past Infinity (which he says he cannot imitate, so he waits), then continues to stall until Mahoraga's adaptation shows him a method that he can apply to his own technique right at the last second which he uses to win. There is zero indication he was playing with his food. Gege even says he was genuinely nervous. The text seems to explicitly show that Sukuna wasn't getting past the infinite without Mahoraga, and also that he was pressed.
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Fabricated posted:I don't think "well uh, he would've found another way" is exactly something supported by the text. it's supported by gojo saying that he would have won anyway. you're arguing yourself in circles now
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Oxxidation posted:it's supported by gojo saying that he would have won anyway. you're arguing yourself in circles now
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We literally see a way Sukuna could have won early in the fight. When his domain wins.
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It doesn't work though, so he didn't and couldn't have won the fight early. You know, because it didn't work??
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