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One of the big dark web exchanges was literally called "White House Market", which felt like it trying to be so obviously a trap that no one believes it could actually be a trap.
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Runcible Cat posted:dark-web-marketplace-not-the.fbi.gov If you ask them if they are the FBI, they have to tell you, otherwise it is entrapment.
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smackfu posted:So was the FBI just running that “dark web marketplace” as a honeypot? There are some real gaps in that narrative. Probably just scammers. It sounds like they kept coming up with excuses for him to send them more money, without ever doing anything.
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smackfu posted:So was the FBI just running that “dark web marketplace” as a honeypot? There are some real gaps in that narrative. Silk Road 2, which started after Silk Road was shut down, was a honeypot from the start. Had agents on the founding team and everything.
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Oct 19, 2023 14:26
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you all laugh but this website https://rentahitman.com/ has lead to the arrest of more than a couple of people
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Oct 19, 2023 14:37
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I'm more interested in a lease-to-own model if you can provide a reference.
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Oct 19, 2023 14:42
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For that matter it's even a thing in the Hitman games that the three-letter agencies already know about the secret assassin company, and they're among their frequent customers. First mission in Hitman 2016 has 47 carrying out a hit specifically contracted by MI6.
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LanceHunter posted:One of the big dark web exchanges was literally called "White House Market", which felt like it trying to be so obviously a trap that no one believes it could actually be a trap. tbf whitehouse.com wasnt owned by the feds in the 90s SimonChris posted:Probably just scammers. It sounds like they kept coming up with excuses for him to send them more money, without ever doing anything. the harm reductive way of running hitman services
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Oct 19, 2023 19:13
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Alan Smithee posted:tbf whitehouse.com wasnt owned by the feds in the 90s Wasn't that a porn site?
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Chin Strap posted:Wasn't that a porn site? It sure was! Pretty sure it wasn't even very good
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Oct 19, 2023 19:20
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I remember going there as a kid when I was looking for something for a class. Probably a report on presidents or something. Did it with my Dad in the room and everything. He was just as confused as I was lol
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Ghost Leviathan posted:For that matter it's even a thing in the Hitman games that the three-letter agencies already know about the secret assassin company, and they're among their frequent customers. First mission in Hitman 2016 has 47 carrying out a hit specifically contracted by MI6. smdh even the CIA can't escape the push to privatize critical government functions
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Residency Evil posted:Just in case there's any confusion: as it turns out, a kid is 100000% more work than a puppy. Legal to sell a puppy, not a kid, bad investment the lockup period is infinity.
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Oct 20, 2023 01:20
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That massive investigation only led to a single year of prison time but the feds are taking '3 billion' in civil forfeiture.
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icecastle posted:That massive investigation only led to a single year of prison time but the feds are taking '3 billion' in civil forfeiture. Well technically he only stole whatever it was worth when it was stolen, not 3 billion I think that's also the argument his lawyer is making so I'm not sure I should be making the same one, but still...
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Oct 20, 2023 03:02
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Also, theft of crypto and/or crypto-related fraud is a public good since it reinforces the status of crypto as a token without legitimate uses
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Chaotic Flame posted:I remember going there as a kid when I was looking for something for a class. Probably a report on presidents or something. Did it with my Dad in the room and everything. He was just as confused as I was lol What grade did you get on the report? XXX
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Kenshin posted:Well technically he only stole whatever it was worth when it was stolen, not 3 billion i'm sure the law covers this, but it's a really interesting thing to think about
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IANAL but thought this was an interesting google result on that subject: https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1316-national-stolen-property-act-value-defined quote:The value may be determined at the time of theft or its transportation for prosecutions under 18 U.S.C. § 2314, United States v. McMahan, 548 F.2d 712 (7th Cir. 1977), and at time of theft or at anytime during its receipt, possession, concealment, or disposition under 18 U.S.C. § 2315.
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By seizing his hard drives would the feds have been able to access his bitcoin or would they also need a seedphrase or something that could have been stored elsewhere? I wonder if his options were basically take a plea deal for 1 year and you surrender your '3 billion' to us or you don't give us the '3 billion 'and you spend the rest of your life in prison? Wire fraud has a maximum penalty of 20 years so it seems like he got off very light and he didn't flip on anyone.
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Wouldn't wire fraud be per-count charges? So I'm sure they can threaten a lifetime in jail.
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notwithoutmyanus posted:Wouldn't wire fraud be per-count charges? So I'm sure they can threaten a lifetime in jail. True, life in jail was an exaggeration. I still think he may have been compelled to turn over the keys and in return he got a very light sentence . Very GWM of the feds.
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Generally, sentences imposed at the same trial will run concurrently, so getting convicted for 100 counts of wire fraud doesn’t necessarily lead to a longer sentence than 1 count. The judge is just more likely to pick a sentence at the upper end of the range for the crime.
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Chaotic Flame posted:I remember going there as a kid when I was looking for something for a class. Probably a report on presidents or something. Did it with my Dad in the room and everything. He was just as confused as I was lol 
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rjmccall posted:Generally, sentences imposed at the same trial will run concurrently, so getting convicted for 100 counts of wire fraud doesn’t necessarily lead to a longer sentence than 1 count. The judge is just more likely to pick a sentence at the upper end of the range for the crime. this is subject to a lotta judicial discretion a lot of the time, tho
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Not hotlinking to this one as it’s on r/personalfinance, but have some BWSL - almost $1million in student loans “My partner and I have so much student loan debt that our basic cost of living plus loan payments exceed our combined income. Is there anything we can do?” quote:Any advice would be awesome. For context I (30M) and my wife (32F) seem to be in a much worse situation with student loans than most people we know. I got a terminal, 8-year degree and she got two masters degrees then went to medical school. Our parents only ever gave us bad advice when it came to college, so it now seems.
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Move back with parents and sell the house would be my advice too
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At some point BWM becomes Sad With Money, like this. My wife was also victim to her parents telling her to just take out whatever loans you need, it will pay off in spades. Thank god she finished the degree and we are like at year 8 of 10 working towards PSLF and then we can be free of that massive burden. Feels even worse when our boomer parents forward us articles about how student debt forgiveness is teaching people a 'chump lesson' or whatever.
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the big place where this went wrong is wife failing out of med school so my advice would be don't do that
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extravadanza posted:At some point BWM becomes Sad With Money, like this. My wife was also victim to her parents telling her to just take out whatever loans you need, it will pay off in spades. Thank god she finished the degree and we are like at year 8 of 10 working towards PSLF and then we can be free of that massive burden.
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extravadanza posted:At some point BWM becomes Sad With Money, like this. My wife was also victim to her parents telling her to just take out whatever loans you need, it will pay off in spades. Thank god she finished the degree and we are like at year 8 of 10 working towards PSLF and then we can be free of that massive burden. That's when you go teach English in China and don't come back.
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Ham Equity posted:Just reply by forwarding brochures for the cheapest old folks homes you can find on the other side of the country from you. This is fuckin good
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:the big place where this went wrong is wife failing out of med school so my advice would be don't do that It's good advice in general for anyone paying for training or education, med school just sort of cranks it to the extreme.
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Cacafuego posted:Not hotlinking to this one as it’s on r/personalfinance, but have some BWSL - almost $1million in student loans This has got to be one of those cases where it makes sense for them to legally divorce and then just live together as partners. There's no point for her to work if whatever income she receives is only going to pay interest and never touch the principle. Just a really gross situation and you have to feel bad for them because there is essentially no way out for them since my understanding is that the income-based payments are only for the Federal loans.
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Cacafuego posted:Not hotlinking to this one as it’s on r/personalfinance, but have some BWSL - almost $1million in student loans Moving to another country is probably the least bad solution here. If the debt just got sent to collections, there's probably not a judgment and especially not a lien on the house yet. They can get the proceeds from selling the house out before the student loan people get to that. And a pharmacist isn't too bad as far as getting an employment based visa in a number of English speaking countries. Sucks that they'll never be able to own property in the US again, but assuming it stays civil no reason they couldn't continue to visit family and friends. Or the wife could get a job in medical sales or something? Two masters degrees and a bunch of medical school credits should be going further than $36k a year take-home. But unless their income skyrockets they would spend so long digging out that it would still be way easier to start over in another country. AreWeDrunkYet fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Oct 20, 2023 |
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Never ever take private student loans
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The day I discovered that somehow I, my specialist doctor, and the Social Security Administration had somehow managed to properly fill out, send in, process, and accept the proper forms to make my student loans go *poof* was one of the happiest days of my life.
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Just blows my mind we are still letting 17/18yr olds sign up for hundreds of thousands of dollars of loans that are not eligible to be discharged in bankruptcy, don't guarantee income and can't be put on federal income based repayment plans.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:the big place where this went wrong is wife failing out of med school so my advice would be don't do that Yeah failing out of med school is basically financial suicide. You'll often be left with a 300k+ balance and 0 ability to pay it off.
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