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A little bit of Ianthe in our lives Oh my god she gives me hives A little bit of Gideon is what I need She’ll pick me up and make me bleed
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It's a necromantic empire tho, is it really mass murder if their bones are wandering around and their souls are maybe accessible in the sewage filled afterlife? I think focusing on the team vs resurrection beasts went a long way towards making Jod seem not horrible, although they definitely repeatedly killed the should of planets more often than the good guys should.
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To steal a phrase from Picard, we have no punishment to fit his crimes. Obviously what he did is bad but who is qualified to do something about it? There’s no way to atone for it, and any punishment up to and including death is meaningless. The only thing fit to judge a man made god is whatever is rattling around in Alecto.
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Oct 20, 2023 22:39
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PupsOfWar posted:imo it's not that he's charming, it's that he's good at seeming like a relatably ineffectual dork who is just in over his head with the whole God thing. He weaponizes Elder Millennial messiness as a mask and makes you go "wow what a sad disastrous little guy, being God must be really overwhelming" without realizing what a monster he is or how deeply in control he is of every bad thing. He's just a smol bean, how could it be his fault??
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StumblyWumbly posted:It's a necromantic empire tho, is it really mass murder if their bones are wandering around and their souls are maybe accessible in the sewage filled afterlife? I am gonna take the daring 'out there' step of saying that murdering any number of planets beyond 0 makes you evil on a level that language doesn't have words for
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sebmojo posted:I am gonna take the daring 'out there' step of saying that murdering any number of planets beyond 0 makes you evil on a level that language doesn't have words for What if a planet has it coming? You haven't met some of these planets.
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Oct 20, 2023 23:03
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What if the planet has bad vibes or is simply unpleasant to be around
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wow can we please cool it with the planet blaming in this thread??
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sebmojo posted:I am gonna take the daring 'out there' step of saying that murdering any number of planets beyond 0 makes you evil on a level that language doesn't have words for Killing planets is a firebreak, though.
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IRL? no. In the Boniverse? yes.
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I mean aside from Alecto do any of them have anything approaching human level intelligence? sometimes you have to cull birds to save the flock
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Saraiguma posted:I mean aside from Alecto do any of them have anything approaching human level intelligence? sometimes you have to cull birds to save the flock Varun, so...yes, I think so, at least after death they do.
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pseudorandom name posted:Killing planets is a firebreak, though. Yeah if they were 100% guaranteed to get et by a Resurrection Beast, that complicates matters. John's culpability in the Beasts' routes aside. Also, whatever is deeply wrong with the River is presumably at least partly his fault, so.
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Oct 20, 2023 23:34
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We were warned it was a brown sullen god.
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sebmojo posted:I am gonna take the daring 'out there' step of saying that murdering any number of planets beyond 0 makes you evil on a level that language doesn't have words for 1 planet is a tragedy, a million is a statistic
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Saraiguma posted:I mean aside from Alecto do any of them have anything approaching human level intelligence? sometimes you have to cull birds to save the flock "The planets dying Saraiguma!"
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pseudorandom name posted:Killing planets is a firebreak, though. The planets Harrow and Ianthe kill near the Mithraeum were a firebreak, sure, but the empire does fully kill regular planets when they conquer the human colonies on them, it's necessary for necromancy to work and is the core function of the Cohort Read Aim talking about what happened to their home planet, which had nothing to do with any beast so far as we know
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Also, even if killing planets is necessary to slow down the Beasts, John is still directly responsible for them. It’s emblematic of his tendency to double down rather than ever admit that he might be wrong about anything or that his first instinct was ultimately damaging. John is only superficially charming. He’s a very unpleasant person even setting aside his culpability in the end of the world and the actions of the Nine Houses under his leadership. If the necromancy thing had never happened to him, he’d be that person in your friend group who rubs you the wrong way even though he never says anything really awful, and when you find out later he was in an abusive relationship you’re not really that surprised.
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sebmojo posted:I am gonna take the daring 'out there' step of saying that murdering any number of planets beyond 0 makes you evil on a level that language doesn't have words for The population of Pluto has skyrocketed since it became a necromantic husk of a world tho
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Necromancy kills a lot of planets but it also helps people farm on Pluto so it's impossible to say if it's good or bad
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Weyulll if you ask local people outside your ivory tower you'll find the Crypt of the Ashen Skull has brought a lot of jobs to the town
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We're reporting live from a small Diner on Uranus, talking to blue-collar skeletons who work the fields to provide the paste for the Eighth House, and asking whether they support the Necrolord Prime! We're hearing they fully support him to the extent we can get any sort of communicative response... And we've just learned that their mere existence is assumed to be 100% in support of Jod, without whom they wouldn't be animated, so we're breaking the news that there is 100% support for him here on the ground. Back to you in the studio!
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bravesword posted:John is only superficially charming. He’s a very unpleasant person even setting aside his culpability in the end of the world and the actions of the Nine Houses under his leadership. If the necromancy thing had never happened to him, he’d be that person in your friend group who rubs you the wrong way even though he never says anything really awful, and when you find out later he was in an abusive relationship you’re not really that surprised. Yeah to get to any sort of idea that John isn't terrible, you have to gloss over the fact that before he resurrected his friends and put them on the path to lictorhood, he tinkered with their memories and made them love him unconditionally. And then lied about having to kill someone that matters intensely to you in order to ascend.
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Zierham posted:We're reporting live from a small Diner on Uranus, talking to blue-collar skeletons who work the fields to provide the paste for the Eighth House, and asking whether they support the Necrolord Prime! We're hearing they fully support him to the extent we can get any sort of communicative response... And we've just learned that their mere existence is assumed to be 100% in support of Jod, without whom they wouldn't be animated, so we're breaking the news that there is 100% support for him here on the ground. Back to you in the studio! It's like Starship Troopers but the bugs are just ordinary humans
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Yeah to get to any sort of idea that John isn't terrible, you have to gloss over the fact that before he resurrected his friends and put them on the path to lictorhood, he tinkered with their memories and made them love him unconditionally. And then lied about having to kill someone that matters intensely to you in order to ascend. A lot of that comes out after we get first impressions of him as someone actually caring and supportive toward Harrow, and with a mix of self-deprecating humor and faint exasperation about actually being in the god-king position. And first impressions actually can be really powerful, so of course that colors people's views of him even knowing more of what a monster and a fake he is. Especially since GtN gets the reader over the hurdle of normalizing this weird and gross society with weird and gross magic underpinning it, by making a lot of the people we see involved with it just be people. It's extremely fair to be conflicted about John, to still kind of like or at least pity him a little even while learning to hate him, to hate what he's done and created.
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disposablewords posted:A lot of that comes out after we get first impressions of him as someone actually caring and supportive toward Harrow, and with a mix of self-deprecating humor and faint exasperation about actually being in the god-king position. And first impressions actually can be really powerful, so of course that colors people's views of him even knowing more of what a monster and a fake he is. Especially since GtN gets the reader over the hurdle of normalizing this weird and gross society with weird and gross magic underpinning it, by making a lot of the people we see involved with it just be people. It's extremely fair to be conflicted about John, to still kind of like or at least pity him a little even while learning to hate him, to hate what he's done and created. I maintain that virtually everyone, if granted his power, would gently caress it up in a variety of ways which are all essentially the same ways. This is just three-wishes stuff, the entire point of the fable is that absolute power corrupts absolutely. I don't pity him but I do understand him.
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disposablewords posted:A lot of that comes out after we get first impressions of him as someone actually caring and supportive toward Harrow, and with a mix of self-deprecating humor and faint exasperation about actually being in the god-king position. And first impressions actually can be really powerful, so of course that colors people's views of him even knowing more of what a monster and a fake he is. Especially since GtN gets the reader over the hurdle of normalizing this weird and gross society with weird and gross magic underpinning it, by making a lot of the people we see involved with it just be people. It's extremely fair to be conflicted about John, to still kind of like or at least pity him a little even while learning to hate him, to hate what he's done and created. oh completely, that's why he's such a great character
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To Jod's claim that he is necessary to keep the sun burning, I say that he can do that job just fine from inside said sun.
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This feels relevant to this thread https://www.theonion.com/report-free-dead-bodies-buried-underground-seemingly-f-1850942454
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silvergoose posted:This feels relevant to this thread Ugh again with the bones you sour old hag
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR4flwAC7gg
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I had that album, it was a double CD
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Just checked, and the ebook version of Nona the Ninth has been updated to include The Unwanted Guest, if anybody was waiting for it.
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Rand Brittain posted:Just checked, and the ebook version of Nona the Ninth has been updated to include The Unwanted Guest, if anybody was waiting for it. Nice! Thanks for the update. Do ebooks ever retroactively update with new content, or only in the bad way? Gotta figure out if I have to repurchase it or what. Though I guess I can just go get the pdf everyone else already read.
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bitprophet posted:Nice! Thanks for the update. Do ebooks ever retroactively update with new content, or only in the bad way? Gotta figure out if I have to repurchase it or what. Though I guess I can just go get the pdf everyone else already read. You don't have to repurchase this one, just download it again, at least as an EPUB. Most publishers don't bother to re-issue ebooks with new content or error-fixes, and in part this is probably because some stores may not support it and Amazon in particular actively makes it a pain to do so. But Tor, as usual, is built different.
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Rand Brittain posted:Just checked, and the ebook version of Nona the Ninth has been updated to include The Unwanted Guest, if anybody was waiting for it. Hrm. How do I get kindle to download the new version? Or do you mean in some other store/etc?
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When a Kindle comic book has an update, you have to find the Update Available notice under Content and Devices on the Amazon web store, and once you hit that, the update will sync. Beyond that I do not know.
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I deleted my Kindle-format Nona off my Kindle app and redownloaded it. Worked the first time on my phone, had to do it a couple times on my iPad. You’ll want to look for the ToC to grow a new chapter heading near the end after Acknowledgements, titled “Read on for a new, original story from the Locked Tomb universe”. The short story was, of course, extremely good. For other new readers of it, go back to thread-page 76 for the start of people writing spoiler tags about it.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Yeah to get to any sort of idea that John isn't terrible, you have to gloss over the fact that before he resurrected his friends and put them on the path to lictorhood, he tinkered with their memories and made them love him unconditionally. And then lied about having to kill someone that matters intensely to you in order to ascend. Lol put that way you gotta wonder whether the whole "kill your best friend to ascend for me" thing was basically just cult programming.
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