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Didn't Voyager, or the shuttle, technically leave the galaxy in Threshold?
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Still think a good show premise would be a mission to one of the satellite galaxies like the Magellanic Cloud. (People sometimes suggest Andromeda but you'd need to invoke a wormhole or some bullshit for that, it's so drat far. You could get to one of the satellites with a year or two cruising in the void at high warp and I could see starfleet setting up a mission of volunteers willing to go that far beyond in the name of exploration) (Or you could just say they have drives that can zip over to Andromeda but honestly that feels like it would shrink the setting too much) MikeJF fucked around with this message at 06:43 on Oct 22, 2023 |
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Oct 22, 2023 06:36
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Perhaps some sort of gate to go between stars? I agree though, it could be a fun version of what Voyager should have been.
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Oct 22, 2023 06:57
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Skip the surface punch battle, have the Duras Sisters command another couple birds of prey, have the D comport itself well in the battle but still take a mortal wound, separate the saucer and have Kirk come out of the Nexus to command the doomed stardrive section long enough to convince the other birds that the Sisters' mission was dishonorable. The other birds and the stardrive section team up to blow up the Sisters and the saucer still crashes. Troi ejects an escape pod that bonks Soren on the head and stops his missile from launching.
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Oct 22, 2023 07:01
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Oct 22, 2023 07:03
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A concept I think about while daydreaming sometimes is a Starfleet ship travelling to a new galaxy ( the crew can be in suspended animation or whatever) and meeting The Culture.
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Oct 22, 2023 07:24
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BonHair posted:Didn't Voyager, or the shuttle, technically leave the galaxy in Threshold? Yes. Warp 10 is infinite speed, which means that you exist at every point in the entire universe all at once while you are at Warp 10, and "stopping" is merely deciding what finite point in the infinite expand you would like to exist at instead of everywhere. Side effects include lizardly.
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Oct 22, 2023 07:32
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MikeJF posted:Still think a good show premise would be a mission to one of the satellite galaxies like the Magellanic Cloud. From time to time I like to imagine a hypothetical Star Trek show that's basically a riff on Stargate: Atlantis. The Federation finds ancient lost plans for basically an FTL catapult that can slingshot starships to another galaxy near-instantaneously so they build one and test it and put together an expedition fleet and fire it off to Andromeda or Pegasus or any of the other nearby local group galaxies with the mission to set up a base of operations and then explore the galaxy and get to work building a return catapult to get back to the Milky Way eventually. And then you can have basically a cross between Voyager and Deep Space Nine, where it's this group of people at this base on the farthest frontier possible that can go out and explore and meet new peoples and wonders and enemies without the Federation being there to provide any backup. Like the first couple of hours of Mass Effect: Andromeda before the game turns to poo poo.
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Oct 22, 2023 07:41
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I like the idea of a subspace catapult. You could even technobabble it up so that it doesn't work within a galaxy, like it has a minimum effective range that means it's only going to be good for moving between galaxies.
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Oct 22, 2023 08:13
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Lemniscate Blue posted:I like the idea of a subspace catapult. You could even technobabble it up so that it doesn't work within a galaxy, like it has a minimum effective range that means it's only going to be good for moving between galaxies. Well that's an easy solve, you just need a Xen relay. (In half life you can only teleport from one dimension to another so what they do is just bounce teleports Earth-Xen-Earth to teleport locally)
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Oct 22, 2023 08:18
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MikeJF posted:Still think a good show premise would be a mission to one of the satellite galaxies like the Magellanic Cloud. Good news, Picard already beefed this idea. "From 2301 to 2305, the Leondegrance was commanded by Captain Nyota Uhura on an exploratory five-year mission to the Lesser Magellanic Cloud, during which the ship participated in over one hundred first contact missions. (PIC: "The Star Gazer" commemorative placard)" Somehow they traveled 200,000 light years, explored it thoroughly, and returned. Fuckin Voyager taking seven years to do 70,000 light years, losers.
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Oct 22, 2023 08:25
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MikeJF posted:Well that's an easy solve, you just need a Xen relay. Yeah, like put a catapult out there in dark space between Andromeda and the Alpha Quadrant and just use it as a ricochet platform so you can go like Earth-Dark Space-Ocampa in basically one shot.
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Oct 22, 2023 08:38
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This reminds me of Lila Cheney from X-Men comics, who could teleport but only over interstellar distances. Fortunately she found an abandoned Dyson sphere she could use for this purpose.
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Oct 22, 2023 08:38
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Grand Fromage posted:Good news, Picard already beefed this idea. On the upside, it was small enough you can't read it on screen, so we can pretend it never happened. I'm sure Beta Canon will establish that they found a wormhole or something to reconcile it. They can say they figured out it would collapse in five years and explored as much as they could until then, that'd still be consistent with DS9 finding the first stable one. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 08:43 on Oct 22, 2023 |
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Oct 22, 2023 08:38
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nine-gear crow posted:Side effects include lizardly. They got better
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Oct 22, 2023 10:45
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An alternative to a space catapult would be the Iconian gateways, since they act like Stargates but are one way. You could come up with a concept of the Federation finding one big enough to send ships through or reverse engineering one to make it large enough to send a ship through.
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Oct 22, 2023 10:48
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Doctor: Well Commander Chakotay, I have good news and bad news. The good news is, I managed to turn the giant salamanders into humans. The bad new is, these aren't the Captain and Lt. Paris.
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Oct 22, 2023 10:49
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Eighties ZomCom posted:An alternative to a space catapult would be the Iconian gateways, since they act like Stargates but are one way. You could come up with a concept of the Federation finding one big enough to send ships through or reverse engineering one to make it large enough to send a ship through. Also they make very convenient videogame mechanics.  MikeJF fucked around with this message at 14:20 on Oct 22, 2023 |
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Oct 22, 2023 12:22
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Picard's weird Dickensian family makes more sense after hearing Patrick Stewart's interview on Conan O'Brien's podcast recently. He grew up dirt-poor to an almost comedic extent. Like he tells a story about boiling water once a week and trudging it up the stairs for family shower day.
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Oct 22, 2023 16:38
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I didn't realise he was from Yorkshire
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No Dignity posted:I didn't realise he was from Yorkshire
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No Dignity posted:I didn't realise he was from Yorkshire Born and raised. He worked his rear end off to train the Yorkie accent out of him for his acting career, but he slips back into it every now and then and he sounds like a completely different person when he does.
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First Contact: Opposite to the last film, I think I'll have a pop at the negatives first. It is very dumbed down, focused more on being a razzle dazzle space action adventure than something that feels true to the TNG vibe. It's Star Trek for the Independence Day generation, where lines like "Assimilate this!" get said without a hint of irony. Picard's fine, up to a point, then he REALLY shifts in character at the start of the third act, throwing his toys out of the pram and getting called Ahab. I'm not saying Wrath of Khan is the most subtle with its literal influences, but come on, we didn't need to do that again but even clumsier. It'd be fine if the story didn't then let him have his cake and eat it, doing the honourable thing, but THEN going off and saving the ship anyway. Oh, the ship! The ship is poo poo. The general shape and outline, fine, nice and sleek, but all those squiggly lines and matte black patches make it look proper uggo. I know it gets even worse later when they repaint it a bleak battleship grey. Then there's the Borg Queen. The loving Borg Queen, what a stupid idea. That's a lot of bitching and complaining, but I enjoyed myself. The action bits are largely fun and nicely spectacular (save for the deflector dish sequence, which is kinda like any time a Bond film has an underwater scene and it all drags to a halt), it doesn't really slow up (again, except for the dish sequence). If, as I said, it's Independence Day Trek, it does it well enough! And the Borg Queen is stupid, but also, Krige plays her with such an off kilter ASMR vibe, it's pretty cool. Yet again, thin faced extra lady (Tracy?) is there, sadly not at the helm, she's been replaced by the Red Shirtiest Red Shirt ever, Hawk. Oh, Hawk. You were handsome and chiselled. RIP, beautiful boy, wonderful jawline. The actual first contact bit at the end is sweet and Jerry Goldsmith's going great guns throughout the whole film. I suppose this post from a few pages back nailed it pretty well. Lemniscate Blue posted:First Contact is a good movie. It is not good Star Trek.
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Oct 23, 2023 00:48
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The First Contact theme was the best part of Picard S2 and then LDS did it way better
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Oct 23, 2023 00:54
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MuddyFunster posted:I'm not saying Wrath of Khan is the most subtle with its literal influences, but come on, we didn't need to do that again but even clumsier. Wrath of Khan is one of those things that's super detrimental to the series because they just. keep. trying. to do it again and again.
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Oct 23, 2023 01:06
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I will always go to bat for First Contact. It's in my top 3 of the films.
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What ultimately makes Wrath of Khan great is that despite the obvious, the theme of the movie is NOT just "guy wants revenge, should hero want revenge?" That's just the catalyst for a whole bunch of much deeper character stuff. Whereas in future attempts, the theme is just REVENGE?!
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FlamingLiberal posted:I will always go to bat for First Contact. It's in my top 3 of the films. It's probably to blame for the Borg being Picards One True Enemy in Picard though isn't it
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Taear posted:It's probably to blame for the Borg being Picards One True Enemy in Picard though isn't it
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Sir Lemming posted:What ultimately makes Wrath of Khan great is that despite the obvious, the theme of the movie is NOT just "guy wants revenge, should hero want revenge?" That's just the catalyst for a whole bunch of much deeper character stuff. Whereas in future attempts, the theme is just REVENGE?! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_HtGcBlRp0
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Oct 23, 2023 01:24
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FlamingLiberal posted:I mean that was already kind of going to happen regardless considering what the Borg did to him. Yeah, the list of species who have personally hosed over Picard is like the Borg, the Nausicaans, and the Kataan. The Kataan he can't get revenge against (I HATE THE FLUTE), the Nausicaans are less interesting, we're left with the Borg. The story of Picard grappling with his need for revenge was done much better in "I, Borg" but First Contact is fine for a summer blockbuster movie.
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Arivia posted:Yeah, the list of species who have personally hosed over Picard is like the Borg, the Nausicaans, and the Kataan. The Kataan he can't get revenge against (I HATE THE FLUTE), the Nausicaans are less interesting, we're left with the Borg. The story of Picard grappling with his need for revenge was done much better in "I, Borg" but First Contact is fine for a summer blockbuster movie.
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The constant attempts to call back to Wrath are weird to me, because it wasn't the HIT of the series, not really. Sure, it's a recognised classic these days, but I was always of the impression that Voyage Home was the only one to really pack in the punters and gain broad appeal. Surely that should have been the winning template? But then again, how do you replicate that? I know it's not generally popular, but my ideal Star Trek movie has always been TMP. Something where the climax is an illuminating discovery, rather than a fist fight. I like a big mystery.
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Oct 23, 2023 01:27
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Yeah but cribbing off khan is easier than sending picard back to safe the last white rhinos
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Oct 23, 2023 01:38
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Taear posted:It's probably to blame for the Borg being Picards One True Enemy in Picard though isn't it First Contact should not be held accountable for other shittier writers’ preoccupations with the Borg.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBVeUTTS2lk
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MuddyFunster posted:The constant attempts to call back to Wrath are weird to me, because it wasn't the HIT of the series, not really. Sure, it's a recognised classic these days, but I was always of the impression that Voyage Home was the only one to really pack in the punters and gain broad appeal. Surely that should have been the winning template? But then again, how do you replicate that? Something like "what does God need with a starship?"
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Yes! I'll take that! V is great! I know the effects took a hit and Shatner didn't get his grand angels and demons showdown (hell, he didn't even get a single pitiful looking rock monster), but I like the big finale of it. The starship line is a pearl that should be treasured, of course, but the line that gets me is Kelley's impassioned delivery of "I doubt any god who inflicts pain for his own pleasure!" I think it's probably one of the best Kelley performances in the series and that's saying something because he's always never anything less than lovely.
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As soon as the Borg turned up in Q Who, there was going to be a Borg movie. It was inevitable, like the Borg.
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MuddyFunster posted:Yes! I'll take that! V is great! Hell yeah, that's my favourite bit too, Kelley kills it throughout the movie really. Bones is my favourite TOS character, love the 'crochety doctor with a heart of gold and absolute moral stances' archetype. Actually, was it an archetype before TOS? I'm sure it must have been
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