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dragonshardz
May 2, 2017


Rhymenoserous posted:

You get around this problem by putting your bomber wings at several different points on the grid with the people you are bombing in the center and setting up your warp ins so each wings bomb explosions overlap each other but the overlap doesn’t reach the other wings bombs thus exploding them.

This is the Vee/Kcolor method and it all got watered down because y’all put boat in charge of bombers and he’s not got the patience for grid prep that his predecessors did so he went with waves instead (far less effective).

But since the context is small gang my go to method for bombing a fleet with low resources was always to trick them into turning their MWDs on. Post up a in-line bubble like 15km from the gate where a fc may just go “gently caress it mwd on and burn to the gate” rather than bounce off a perch then aim my bombers between the gate and the bubble. I knocked out several TEST fleets this way in the 2013 fountain war.

At the very least they are going to be wounded and you’ll have killed off a good chunk of their T1 and sub cruiser hulls. Back in the day we regularly nuked BC fleets doing this.

I will credit Asher with doing a turbo-advanced version of grid prep for siege bombing on the PAPI Keeps during Beeitnam.

That was such a long, slow fight but it felt really, really satisfying to play keep-away with my bomber for hours.

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Elchimpster
Mar 22, 2012
Could you use a giant secure container for storing depots? We used to use those for stashing equipment fuel and ammo when we did our blops campaign in fountain circa 2011 against test

floppyspud
Jul 21, 2022

4-H is only a couple jumps from cal lowsec, or you could do it in venal. You’re making it much harder for yourself doing it in vale lol.

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017


Elchimpster posted:

Could you use a giant secure container for storing depots? We used to use those for stashing equipment fuel and ammo when we did our blops campaign in fountain circa 2011 against test

Depots can't go inside containers.

angry armadillo
Jul 26, 2010

Elukka posted:

I wanted to drive an alt in a DST into Frat staging for replacement ships at some point since I'm spending quite a lot of time there, but you can't share mobile depots, nor jettison them into space to be picked up, so there'd be no way to fit them. :negative:

Can there be multiple depots in the fleet hanger of your DST (not sure what you are doing, but if you have enough for people to warp to you and help themselves?)

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind

floppyspud posted:

4-H is only a couple jumps from cal lowsec, or you could do it in venal. You’re making it much harder for yourself doing it in vale lol.
I like 4-H though because there are lots of people and they do silly things. You can just put up a bubble and content comes to you. I've never had nothing happen.

It's not exactly a couple of jumps. The shortest route is 10, but that's often camped, and the less campy route is 18.

angry armadillo posted:

Can there be multiple depots in the fleet hanger of your DST (not sure what you are doing, but if you have enough for people to warp to you and help themselves?)
Oh yeah, I didn't think of that. That should work! Drop the ship, pilot in a capsule gets into ship, grabs a mobile depot and fittings from the DST and fits it.

Elukka fucked around with this message at 06:05 on Oct 20, 2023

floppyspud
Jul 21, 2022

Elukka posted:

It's not exactly a couple of jumps. The shortest route is 10, but that's often camped, and the less campy route is 18.

I think with jump bridges it’s like 3 or 4 jumps to lowsec, haven’t been in frat space much when not blue so I wouldn’t know otherwise.

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination
Anyone do the Crimson Harvest event?

Any idea why the Blood Raider Gauntlet is worth so much less than Tetrimon Base? I've done like 7-8 total now and every blood raider site drops like 20-40 mln, and every Tetrimon base seems to drop 80-120 in boosters and frozen bodies. It just seems silly to do!

Elchimpster
Mar 22, 2012
I have noticed that with the radar sites I have been doing. Blood sites are like 10 to 15mil isk, tetrimon node gives me that in war clone blanks alone, doesnt even count accelerators or implants

floppyspud
Jul 21, 2022

Toalpaz posted:

Any idea why the Blood Raider Gauntlet is worth so much less than Tetrimon Base?

Cuz :ccp:

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Toalpaz posted:

Anyone do the Crimson Harvest event?

Any idea why the Blood Raider Gauntlet is worth so much less than Tetrimon Base? I've done like 7-8 total now and every blood raider site drops like 20-40 mln, and every Tetrimon base seems to drop 80-120 in boosters and frozen bodies. It just seems silly to do!

From what I've learned of how CCP thinks over the years, that's by design: CCP wants you to side with the bad pirates, which means whatever enemy the pirates have will always get the better loot, to incentivize you to go blow them up.

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination
The only good part about eve is being knowledgable enough now that when I see 10-15 drakes gate through when I land on grid in high sec, it's time to stop warp+jump and find a station.

I had a full hold of Halloween treats.

Dirac Fourier
Aug 14, 2023
I’ve never seen a missile ship gank anyone though. Is that a thing now?

Saul Kain
Dec 5, 2018

Lately it occurs to me,

what a long, strange trip it's been.


Dirac Fourier posted:

I’ve never seen a missile ship gank anyone though. Is that a thing now?

I was trying to parse that as well and came up with nothing. Smartbombs?

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Saul Kain posted:

I was trying to parse that as well and came up with nothing. Smartbombs?

my idea was HAMs, but only because I thought the idea of Drakes ganking anything was cute and I want it to happen, even though the classic Tornado is probably 123x better at ganking

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination
Idk, PvE fleet roaming .9 security space then hahaha. I didn't really get a good look.

Kaysette
Jan 5, 2009

~*Boston makes me*~
~*feel good*~

:wrongcity:
flat fucks friday

Baron of Bad News
Aug 4, 2009

Dirac Fourier posted:

I’ve never seen a missile ship gank anyone though. Is that a thing now?

I've been ganking folks with a HAM Tengu for a while now so I'd say so.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Baron of Bad News posted:

I've been ganking folks with a HAM Tengu for a while now so I'd say so.

In highsec?! That's an expensive way to suicide-gank

Sapphic Socialism
Jan 7, 2017

All your favourite video game characters are gay and trans.

Dirac Fourier posted:

I’ve never seen a missile ship gank anyone though. Is that a thing now?

Libluini posted:

my idea was HAMs, but only because I thought the idea of Drakes ganking anything was cute and I want it to happen, even though the classic Tornado is probably 123x better at ganking

I was doing industrial ganking some time back and was theorycrafting different hulls to find a sweet spot between Vexors and Oracles for applying damage to an industrial-sized target up to 25 kilometers away and a HAM Cyclone was the fit I landed on. It turns out in optimal conditions (you know the target's resist hole and all your volleys land) you deal about the same amount of damage, and in the worst case (you take a best guess for their resist hole and it turns out to be very wrong, and you miss 2-3 volleys because the target warps off instantly after CONCORD jams you and you lose point) you still deal a decent amount, and you spend ~15-20m less per gank. I could see someone landing on the drake through similar theorycrafting, since it deals more raw DPS, even though you lose out on potential gains from shooting the target's resist hole.

(Of the two classic ganking BCs, the Tornado is great for alpha, but it tracks awful so it's bad whenever tracking is (potentially) a factor, and the Talos has pretty short range so it needs a warp-in)

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

We used Maelstroms on mission-running Tengus in the dark(er) ages, then switched to Tornado after they nerfed insurance on suicide ganking.

Suicide ganking paid for the first TNT supercap production line :eng101:

We also had a lot of fun shooting T1 barges in Ruptures back then.

Elchimpster
Mar 22, 2012
We used apocs with a full rack of 1400s for tengu ganks back in the day. Can you still see peoples completed contracts for officer mods?

psilocybin laden
Jul 29, 2022
Please DO NOT announce to the server when you are going to HONK. This has been a reoccurring issue, and I'm not sure why some people have such under developed social skills that they think that a server full of mostly other capsuleers would need to know that. No one is going to be impressed and give you a high five (especially considering where that HONK has been). I don't want to add this to the rules, since it would be embarrassing for new users to see that we have a problem with this, but it is going to be enforced as a rule from now on.

If it occurs, you will be warned, then additional occurrences will be dealt with at the discretion of modstaff. Thanks.

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind
I'm looking at a Frat Proteus, pondering if it's a solo boat or a cyno for a blops gang. An interestingly long name: 蓝光一闪,千军万马来相见. I wonder what that means. A quick Google translate:
A flash of blue light, thousands of troops came to meet each other
Well that clears that up.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Elukka posted:

I'm looking at a Frat Proteus, pondering if it's a solo boat or a cyno for a blops gang. An interestingly long name: 蓝光一闪,千军万马来相见. I wonder what that means. A quick Google translate:
A flash of blue light, thousands of troops came to meet each other
Well that clears that up.

Looks like you could condense this down to "Blue Battle", imho

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

Elukka posted:

A flash of blue light, thousands of troops came to meet each other

not going to lie, I really like that

twigplant
Jun 9, 2009

You're asking me to believe in sentient meat.
i did something i thought was funny yesterday. my husband recently got unbanned and started playing again, so some of his friends also started playing again or moved to be nearer to whatever he's doing because he does stupid poo poo. they're living in saranen rn, and one of his buddies had some caps and other assets sitting in molden heath, but they were just gonna leave 'em because it would be annoying to move at best. but lo! what's this? a wormhole from saranen to a system in moldy heath that's in jump range of the caps? that's big enough for caps?! oh boy! so we scoot out there hoping that the exit system is going to be empty, but it's not. it is very not empty, and there's like 200 dudes in there. we're like aw gently caress. so we start scanning and realize that there's literally an ongoing fight and they have caps on the field already, sooo... are they really gonna notice another cyno? 20 guys would be a problem because there were like three of us, but 200 guys is surprisingly less of a problem if they're already in a slapfight or whatever.

we crossed our fat little fingers and i went to the NPC station and lit a cyno. our caps jumped to me, aligned out to nowhere, and warped off and left through the wormhole. it collapsed behind me by divine providence once my cyno was down. :sun:

i just hope that whatever lowsec dorks were fighting had a guy going "um guys, there's a new cyno. it's a goon cyno. :stonk:" and clenched their little butts.

twigplant fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Oct 23, 2023

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination
anyone know how to do the calculations on safely traveling with goods during the event? I have like only 70k ehp in a bs but 1+ bln of loot to start moving across multiple stations. I don't have a corp or friends to ask this question, and I don't think the typical 3000 isk to 1 ehp calc makes sense in the new event rules.

Kaysette
Jan 5, 2009

~*Boston makes me*~
~*feel good*~

:wrongcity:
yeah the 90% drop rate is wild, split it up

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011
The safest way to ship stuff during the event is to pay PushX to do it.

windex
Aug 2, 2006

One thing living in Japan does is cement the fact that ignoring the opinions of others is a perfectly valid life strategy.

Toalpaz posted:

anyone know how to do the calculations on safely traveling with goods during the event? I have like only 70k ehp in a bs but 1+ bln of loot to start moving across multiple stations. I don't have a corp or friends to ask this question, and I don't think the typical 3000 isk to 1 ehp calc makes sense in the new event rules.

PushX advice is great but.. I just want to stress this the same way we do to gooses, please train DSTs and Blockade Runners. A DST can have just as much EHP as a battleship, occasionally *more* active tank if needed and well skilled, but can fit a interdiction nullifier and do the mwd+cloak trick. You can fit a packaged battleship + rigs and fittings in a DST fleet hangar with DST IV no problem, and with a compact mwd/ab the DST aligns faster.

Blockade runners (covops haulers) are no good for major trade hubs (they can't be cargo scanned so gankers assume they're full of gold and pop them), but are otherwise great ways to move stuff from highsec to low/null with low risk.

Munkeylord
Jun 21, 2012

Cast_No_Shadow posted:

If you shut down eve all the people that play eve might come and play other, good, games.

That would be the worst outcome.

have to agree with this guy

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination

windex posted:

PushX advice is great but.. I just want to stress this the same way we do to gooses, please train DSTs and Blockade Runners. A DST can have just as much EHP as a battleship, occasionally *more* active tank if needed and well skilled, but can fit a interdiction nullifier and do the mwd+cloak trick. You can fit a packaged battleship + rigs and fittings in a DST fleet hangar with DST IV no problem, and with a compact mwd/ab the DST aligns faster.

Blockade runners (covops haulers) are no good for major trade hubs (they can't be cargo scanned so gankers assume they're full of gold and pop them), but are otherwise great ways to move stuff from highsec to low/null with low risk.

I appreciate that but fer now I'm going to spend my time training into bigger PvE ships (marauders). Although, I can run t3 cruisers so I am wondering if I should bail on that idea and just scrape up more money to comfortably buy one and fly it.

Das Butterbrot
Dec 2, 2005
Lecker.

windex posted:

Blockade runners (covops haulers) are no good for major trade hubs (they can't be cargo scanned so gankers assume they're full of gold and pop them), but are otherwise great ways to move stuff from highsec to low/null with low risk.

with insta dock / undock bookmarks BRs are fine. hundreds of trips to jita w/o trouble
(except the one time i misclicked the wrong bookmark and a tornado shot, but couldn't volley me and sent me a nice evemail afterwards :v:)

floppyspud
Jul 21, 2022

I would trust a blockade runner anywhere, except maybe those huge camps in tama. But that’s what gatecheck is for!

grumplestiltzkin
Jun 7, 2012

Ass, gas, or grass. No one rides for free.
i dont even feel alive anymore unless im moving 4b+ in an untanked br

psilocybin laden
Jul 29, 2022

grumplestiltzkin posted:

i dont even feel alive anymore unless im moving 4b+ in an untanked br

moving 26b in implants in a jackdaw just to feel something

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind

floppyspud posted:

I would trust a blockade runner anywhere, except maybe those huge camps in tama. But that’s what gatecheck is for!
Yeah, you gotta watch for those ultra-dedicated campers. Might have enough stuff around the gate to decloak you, but even if they don't, some of them will use instalocking ships and manipulate the server update order to catch cloakies.

Besides notable systems like Tama and Ahbazon there's a guy in Aridia who has been doing this nearly every day for years. People get caught out by it because it's not that busy of a route that you'd think it'd be worthwhile.

floppyspud
Jul 21, 2022

Elukka posted:

Yeah, you gotta watch for those ultra-dedicated campers. Might have enough stuff around the gate to decloak you, but even if they don't, some of them will use instalocking ships and manipulate the server update order to catch cloakies.

Besides notable systems like Tama and Ahbazon there's a guy in Aridia who has been doing this nearly every day for years. People get caught out by it because it's not that busy of a route that you'd think it'd be worthwhile.

Is ahbazon actually dangerous? I haven’t seen a decent camp in there in ages. Whenever I’m in USTZ tama has a camp, but ahbazon still very empty.

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Johnny Five-Jaces
Jan 21, 2009


floppyspud posted:

Is ahbazon actually dangerous? I haven’t seen a decent camp in there in ages. Whenever I’m in USTZ tama has a camp, but ahbazon still very empty.

it's still actively camped, yes

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