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You win multiple Cups with Lemieux-Jagr in the 90's, suck for a bit and rebuild, and then win multiple Cups with Crosby/Malkin through a 16 year playoff streak. The Pens notoriously start slow and then turn on the heat late and either make the playoffs or barely miss (last year) and the same is likely to happen again this year considering their core is still going to be very effective. The fact that some people in here actually believe they will be a lottery team is truly delusional.
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Especially when the league is doing poo poo like this for them https://twitter.com/ginohard_/status/1719153066518409414?s=46&t=2hVb1vPytx9OUpdE0UPz6Q
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Oct 31, 2023 13:10
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If they miss the playoffs by 1 point they will absolutely win the lottery
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Oct 31, 2023 13:19
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I've been trying to make sense of that call and I've got nothing Admittedly the rules around being in the crease are loving arcane at the best of times so maybe that's it? Is it disallowed if the offensive player is entirely in the paint before the puck or is it entirely predicated on the nudge he gives to Karlsson?
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fawning deference posted:You win multiple Cups with Lemieux-Jagr in the 90's, suck for a bit and rebuild, and then win multiple Cups with Crosby/Malkin through a 16 year playoff streak. The Pens notoriously start slow and then turn on the heat late and either make the playoffs or barely miss (last year) and the same is likely to happen again this year considering their core is still going to be very effective. what, you think the next generational player is going to just walk into the pens dressing room one day?
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Oct 31, 2023 13:28
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Diet Crack posted:If they miss the playoffs by 1 point they will absolutely win the lottery (pushing glasses up nose) with the new lottery rules, they’d have to finish no worse than 11th to have a chance to win the lottery since teams can’t jump up more than 10 slots anymore
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Oct 31, 2023 13:32
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fawning deference posted:The fact that some people in here actually believe they will be a lottery team is truly delusional. It's just me. And it's the rest of you that are delusional.  What you see is what you get from this team. They are exactly what they look like. There is no hidden dragon here. There is no defense and no goalie. Sullivan has gone stale and the team will probably get a good dead cat bounce when he goes. They won't finish bottom five. But they'll most likely finish bottom ten.
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Oct 31, 2023 13:33
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:I've been trying to make sense of that call and I've got nothing I'd be okay with a "No non-goalies in the crease, ever" rule if it would help clarify these things. But then we'd end up with more agonizing slow motion reviews the an offsides review where they scan the recording back and forth until they finally determine that an atom of the skate was over the line, and I'm not sure having multiple of those every game is going to be less frustrating than nebulous interference calls. Might be less frustrating than a non-call when a player is literally lying on top of your goalie, though.
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Oct 31, 2023 13:58
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Dear god no, that was so fuckin bad. Then they let Brett Hull do it anyway because he's just that cool! And they were right.
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Oct 31, 2023 13:59
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The Dirty Burger posted:Especially when the league is doing poo poo like this for them This poo poo was unbelievable. Then the thinskinned piece of poo poo ref got his feelings hurt when Cronin went off on him and handed out a bench minor and an ejection as well. What a roller coaster this game was
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fawning deference posted:You win multiple Cups with Lemieux-Jagr in the 90's, suck for a bit and rebuild, and then win multiple Cups with Crosby/Malkin through a 16 year playoff streak. The Pens notoriously start slow and then turn on the heat late and either make the playoffs or barely miss (last year) and the same is likely to happen again this year considering their core is still going to be very effective. They aren't a lotto team. They're more akin to a number of the Flyers circus acts that provided unending entertainment to everyone but their fans with the ways they find to lose and under perform. Yes PAS says this every year then the team 'turns it on', but of course we saw how last year went and this year they have every single issue they had last year, thus far, and more! It's been a multi-year trend that the Pens have blown huge leads, have questionable special teams, and gigantic brain farts/sections of games that cost them wins. At this point there is absolutely no one you can point to other than Sullivan. Will firing him improve the team?  probably not maybe? If they just hand the reigns to Reirden welp  they are going to suck harder. He is an unbelievably bad coaching assistant. Jarry has, so far, fully answered his critics....that he absolutely is not worth half his contract. Dubas absolutely needs to do something immediately to address this situation before whatever shreds of capability left in Jarry disappear to either salvage the player or vague 'value' left in him. The other thing loving someone has to do is shake the loving lines up. It's the same 4 lines they've had all year minus the loser they rewaived because, it turns out, using a guy that has never scored to try and score means they don't score. 9 games into the season and only 1 goal from not the top 6. Forget not being good enough that is just flat out really really bad. Edit: I think the Pens really messed up signing White over Wagner. You can't even pretend that White can play in the top 6. Wagner....eh maybe? Probably not. But, as it stands, there isn't anyone in the bottom 6 you can say 'yeah put them up with Geno and move people around/up/down'. It's really bad roster construction again. Of course having Carter and his 3.2 million dollar anchor plus the 1.5 million in Petry money retained and 900k in Jack Johnson buy out really really pinching your cap. 5.5 million dollars in dead cap only makes it even harder to pretend to be competitive. tl;dr - Rejoice the Pens are a circus of under achieving and exciting ways to lose games they shouldn't. rex rabidorum vires fucked around with this message at 14:20 on Oct 31, 2023 |
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Oct 31, 2023 14:16
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The Pens have a bad bottom six, bad defensemen and terrible goaltending, but they're a good team that's just underachieving
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Oct 31, 2023 14:24
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Okay but are you aware that we are only 9 games into the season? Frank Vatrano has 9 goals. I have been shown throughout the years that nothing really matters until December starts. That's when enough of the season has gone by and you can get a fair read on the team. Anyone can have a bad 9 games.
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Oct 31, 2023 14:25
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More like the Pens are, currently, a top 5 spreadsheet team at 5v5 and all situations sunk by their weaknesses in goaltending and allergic reaction to scoring.
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Oct 31, 2023 14:26
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Eric the Mauve posted:The Pens have a bad bottom six, bad defensemen and terrible goaltending, but they're a good team that's just underachieving Karlsson, Letang, Graves, and Pettersson has time to get there. Those are not bad players. The overreacting seems ridiculous honestly. It should certainly be good enough to have the Pens be in the playoff mix like they are every year. People have been saying "this is the year they finally start to suck" for 5 years now and they always find a way to make noise in the second half.
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Oct 31, 2023 14:28
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fawning deference posted:Okay but are you aware that we are only 9 games into the season? Frank Vatrano has 9 goals. I have been shown throughout the years that nothing really matters until December starts. That's when enough of the season has gone by and you can get a fair read on the team. Anyone can have a bad 9 games. It looks like you're saying Frank the Frank isn't going to win the rocket with 82 goals, but I'm sure that's not what you meant
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Oct 31, 2023 14:28
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Yeah. The Pens are bad in unique ways that the fancystats are unable to deal with. That's what I've been saying. We'll see. It is early. I hope I'm wrong. But I've been dead right about them for several years, including that they'd be a playoff bubble team last year and that they'd be a solid non-playoff team this year. They are the oldest team in the league. Even if they're better than they've looked so far, there are going to be injuries that will more than make up for that.
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fawning deference posted:People have been saying "this is the year they finally start to suck" for 5 years now and they always find a way to make noise in the second half. Ahh but have you considered that if they say this every year eventually they will be right and then they can say "see? I knew it"
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fawning deference posted:Karlsson, Letang, Graves, and Pettersson has time to get there. Those are not bad players. The overreacting seems ridiculous honestly. It should certainly be good enough to have the Pens be in the playoff mix like they are every year. People have been saying "this is the year they finally start to suck" for 5 years now and they always find a way to make noise in the second half. PAS is going to post expansive complaints about depth forwards nobody knows or cares about whether they are winning or losing, so it's kind of moot IMO
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Oct 31, 2023 14:35
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There was probably (see: was) a time when people thought helmets didn't look cool
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:I've been trying to make sense of that call and I've got nothing The rules about the crease are perfectly sensible. Inside the crease, the goalie has the right to move freely, and if an attacking player in the way prevents him from making a save it's interference (except of course when he's bulldozed into the goalie by a defender or whatever) Outside the crease, goalies are no more special than any other player -- contact or a moving pick is still interference, a player parked there first is not. Looks like clear interference to me. lol pens
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Chad Sexington posted:PAS is going to post expansive complaints about depth forwards nobody knows or cares about whether they are winning or losing, so it's kind of moot IMO Woah woah woah someone brought up skater speed and I didn't even mention.....
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We might be talking past each other a little, because "in the lottery" is not actually very far out of the playoffs. I'm not expecting the Pens to be bottom five this year. (Next year? Absolutely.) I do expect them to be comfortably outside the playoffs, between a distant 5th and a close 7th in the Metro, which would put them... in the back end of the lottery. It baffles me that this is seen as controversial. It's also bewildering that you all assume the oldest team the NHL has seen in years should be expected to finish strong. They collapsed down the stretch last year. As you might well expect, since the season is long and they are ancient. If they're going to go on a tear it had damned well better be soon.
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fisting by many posted:The rules about the crease are perfectly sensible. Inside the crease, the goalie has the right to move freely, and if an attacking player in the way prevents him from making a save it's interference (except of course when he's bulldozed into the goalie by a defender or whatever) Right the issue is the attacking player makes no direct contact with the goalie there. He brushes into Karlsson who stumbles and cross-checks Jarry I've seen dozens of instances of more direct interference called as incidental contact not that I would mind it getting called this way more often, goalies are fragile enough with their hips exploding that they shouldn't have to worry about people getting in their space
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The Dirty Burger posted:https://twitter.com/unfortunatehky/status/1719174590994219496?s=46&t=2hVb1vPytx9OUpdE0UPz6Q I like how there are two Pens set up on either side of the net, both on the wrong side to take a one timer or really any shot.
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Diet Crack posted:There was probably (see: was) a time when people thought helmets didn't look cool I cannot imagine being one of the last remaining NHLers to hold out on wearing a helmet (IIRC there was a grandfather clause when they were made mandatory and it'd be like 12 years before the last helmetless player retired) Never mind the low chance of being hit with a puck or stick, you could easily bounce your head off someone else's helmet trying to throw a hit, or the glass, or whatever. Not to mention all the players trying to throw head hits. It's crazy. Never mind the goalies who didn't wear masks either
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Right the issue is the attacking player makes no direct contact with the goalie there. He brushes into Karlsson who stumbles and cross-checks Jarry Yeah, he doesn't have to make any contact. Jarry only needs to attempt to make the save (which he does.) Can't appeal that you were interfered with if you weren't actually trying to go that way.
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Geekie got a penalty for being launched into Bobrovsky by a Panther last night too so actually they were consistent about it across games.
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rooting for the Oilers this year apparently https://twitter.com/CJTDevil/status/1719009165501170015
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fisting by many posted:I cannot imagine being one of the last remaining NHLers to hold out on wearing a helmet (IIRC there was a grandfather clause when they were made mandatory and it'd be like 12 years before the last helmetless player retired) And we saw the effects of it firsthand with the Edmonton Oilers from 2000-09
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FuturePerfect VideoGames posted:I like how there are two Pens set up on either side of the net, both on the wrong side to take a one timer or really any shot. It is extremely difficult to describe how insanely bad Todd Reirden is. One of the other 5 on 3s basically had Rakell and Malkin direction on top of each other in the high slot for reasons I can not comprehend.
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rex rabidorum vires posted:More like the Pens are, currently, a top 5 spreadsheet team at 5v5 and all situations sunk by their weaknesses in goaltending and allergic reaction to scoring. I mean I'll say something dumb here but some of the whole metrics at 5v5 and expected goals etc etc has to be taken with a bit of context of who is putting up the numbers and how it's being done. Like...putting up fantastic expected goals numbers doesn't always mean you're due to start scoring a ton of goals. It can also mean that you're playing well but you're bad at finishing. That can be a temporary thing...some guys you know won't shoot poorly all season, or it can be an expected long term thing with guys who have never scored a lot but are generally "good players" and generate a lot of those chances. It's possible in the Pens case that they're "playing well" but age and roster construction also means that there's no turnaround waiting for them where they'll suddenly start living up to those numbers (especially if goaltending remains a weakness and they can't outscore it because they're not actually good as good at scoring as their expected numbers might suggest) Then again I'm dumb and maybe don't understand poo poo I do understand that the Rangers 4th line is somehow the worst in the whole loving league though and gets caved in every night and is dragging down the team overall numbers and I'm not even exaggerating when I say they're the worst lol loving Bonino and Goodrow
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The Pens just haven't been the same since being eliminated by the 24th seed habs on Sid's birthday 3 years ago.
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Sean Monahan (29 years old) 9gp 5g-3a-8p Traded for 1st round pick in order to sign Nazim Kadri (33 years old) 9gp 1g-1a-2p Jesus christ Treliving I hate this team
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said it before and i'll say it again: mason mctavish fuckin rules
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I watched the Flyers from 2012 to present , you all will be fine.
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