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Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010

Gripweed posted:

Is there a good single volume history of Israel, or failing that just the founding/early years of Israel? Preferably one that acknowledges the humanity of Palestinians, no Exodus-style blowjobs
I'd love the same. Something actually leftist maybe and not, let's say...ahistorical *stares at Simon Schama*

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rollick
Mar 20, 2009

fez_machine posted:

Vikram Seth's An Equal Music

this, and Orfeo by Richard Powers

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

FPyat posted:

Any novels or short stories that express the power and joy of music?

that's one of the (many) recurring points in À la recherche du temps perdu :)

shorter, and more contemporary, it also features in Compass by Mathias Enard. the narrator is a musicologist

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.
I need some grimdark suggestions. I feel like I am exhausted every mainstream option I can find.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Sickening posted:

I need some grimdark suggestions. I feel like I am exhausted every mainstream option I can find.

Just to be clear, you have tried Warhammer 40k, Warhammer Fantasy, and the Horus Heresy series?

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

Gripweed posted:

Just to be clear, you have tried Warhammer 40k, Warhammer Fantasy, and the Horus Heresy series?

Yep. If it has movies or tv series then it’s been read already. Also any huge author like Sanderson and such is also all read.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Sickening posted:

Yep. If it has movies or tv series then it’s been read already. Also any huge author like Sanderson and such is also all read.

If you’re up for comics, the works of Tsutomu Nihei might be up your alley. Blame, Biomega, Knights of Sidonia, he mainly does quite grim stories about humans trying to survive in worlds that have become inimical to human survival. But with just enough of a dash of hope or compassion or humanity to stop them from devolving into pure misery porn.

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



Sickening posted:

I need some grimdark suggestions. I feel like I am exhausted every mainstream option I can find.

Starfish by Peter Watts isn't "grimdark" in the sense of something ultra pulpy or over the top like 40k, but I just finished it and it's incredibly bleak, hopeless, and grim in both the world, characters, and themes. One of the few books that I truly just felt everyone and everything was truly hopeless without being comically grim or exploitative.

Prince of Nothing for a more trad grimdark fantasy book.

Edit: another weird suggestion. Redliners is a military sci fi book that isn't necessarily grimdark, but scratched the itch for me. It's nonstop action and exploration of what PTSD and constant war does to soldiers in the future.

Kvlt! fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Oct 31, 2023

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

Sickening posted:

I need some grimdark suggestions. I feel like I am exhausted every mainstream option I can find.

I've recommended them before, but: Karl Edward Wagner's Kane books. Particularly Bloodstone, Darkness Weaves, or Dark Crusade.

disposablewords
Sep 12, 2021

Glen Cook's Black Company series? Good (or "good") does win out but people go through some poo poo to get there.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

disposablewords posted:

Glen Cook's Black Company series? Good (or "good") does win out but people go through some poo poo to get there.

Its like the top of googles searches for grimdark, but yep read those too (not great IMO) but great for their time.

Oldstench
Jun 29, 2007

Let's talk about where you're going.

Sickening posted:

I need some grimdark suggestions. I feel like I am exhausted every mainstream option I can find.
Elric of Melnibone?

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

Sickening posted:

I need some grimdark suggestions. I feel like I am exhausted every mainstream option I can find.

Most anything by Michael Cisco but The Divinity Student and The Golem
Vampire Hunter D by Hideyuki Kikuchi (The novels not the manga, Viz translated them up to volume 25 (30 in western reckoning) which releases 2024 , there are 41 in total)
Jeffery Ford's The Physiognomy
Speaking of Ford you might find something you like in this series: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08GSC4RTL?binding=kindle_edition&

Edit:
Marlon James's fantasy novels have a strong grim and dark reputation but maybe you've read them

fez_machine fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Nov 1, 2023

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo

Sickening posted:

I need some grimdark suggestions. I feel like I am exhausted every mainstream option I can find.

Gideon the Ninth
Ten Low

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


Sickening posted:

I need some grimdark suggestions. I feel like I am exhausted every mainstream option I can find.

Have you heard of an author named Cormac McCarthy?

FPyat
Jan 17, 2020
Any textbooks that provide particularly great intellectual sustenance? Math and chemistry are the only subjects I don’t have some desire to read about right now.

Kenning
Jan 11, 2009

I really want to post goatse. Instead I only have these🍄.



Do you do audiobooks? The Great Courses on Chinese history, From Yao to Mao, is very good.

FPyat
Jan 17, 2020
My library card has access to a lot of them, so I guess I'll reconsider my usual preference for reading with my eyes.

Edit: Searching Overdrive/Libby for "Great Courses" gives me a bunch of AI-generated "50 Great Meals in Three Courses" type books amidst the actual things I looking for.

FPyat fucked around with this message at 11:42 on Nov 1, 2023

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

FPyat posted:

Any textbooks that provide particularly great intellectual sustenance? Math and chemistry are the only subjects I don’t have some desire to read about right now.

Origin of Species is pretty good and a lot more readable than you'd expect.

Ropes4u
May 2, 2009

Azhais posted:

Gideon the Ninth

Thanks for this the audio book has been great so far.

Smithwick
Jun 20, 2003

Bilirubin posted:

Have you heard of an author named Cormac McCarthy?

I will second this. Many will point to The Road. But in my opinion Blood Meridian is the spirit of ‘grimdark’ distilled into a single work of literature without the pulpy tropes of genre novels.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


The Road at least ends on something of a hopeful note

loudog999
Apr 30, 2006

Azhais posted:

Gideon the Ninth

Ropes4u posted:

Thanks for this the audio book has been great so far.


The audiobooks for The Locked Tomb series are maybe my favorite audiobooks ever. I still read through the text first because those books are packed with little Easter eggs and clues that I probably would have missed listening, but then I immediately listen to the audiobook after.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

I'd like to buy a gift book for a friend on western astrology and/or divination, a survey of different kinds of astrology all around the world, or a clear-eyed history about such things. It can be about a particular culture or a particular method. It can focus on its development, use, art, etc.

I'd prefer the book take a historical, mostly neutral stance, in favor of just exploring what these things are. I'm not looking for a Dawkins-esque takedown of astrology, and I'm definitely not looking for stuff from con artists or deluded people who purport that it's true and accurate.

My friend appears to be a casual believer in astrology: she practices cartomancy with her own tarot cards, when something goes wrong she says stuff like "Mercury is in retrograde," things like that. She does the whole "no wonder we don't get along, he's a ____ and I'm a ___."

She's not overly weird or evangelical about it, she doesn't bug people about their birth signs or try to slip her beliefs into casual conversation. She's a balanced person.

We have friendly debates about stuff like this. I think it's hogwash but find the aesthetics and rules interesting, and when you do your own reading, your interpretations can tell you something about you. It's also a topic that, as a child raised in a very, very Christian home, always had the allure of extreme danger, and I wouldn't mind knowing more.

Ideally, such a book would be interesting and give her some fun stuff to read about and for us to share. Or debate about. And maybe exploring the roots of astrology and divination will give her a clearer perspective on its uses and misuses. Or draw her further in, whatever, she's an adult.

doctorfrog fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Nov 5, 2023

Upsidads
Jan 11, 2007
Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates


An Encyclopedia of Claims, Frauds, and Hoaxes of the Occult and Supernatural by James Randi

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regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
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WHEN THE RICH GET RICHER I GET HORNIER :a2m::a2m::a2m::a2m:

Upsidads posted:

An Encyclopedia of Claims, Frauds, and Hoaxes of the Occult and Supernatural by James Randi

So edgy

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



Modern astrology was fathered by Alan Leo, and popularized in news columns. It doesnt really have a rich history unless maybe from a marketing perspective. He was charged with fraud over it.

Ancient astrology is really different depending on the culture practicing it. I dont think someone whose into modern astrology would find it particularly interesting because they'd discover how lot of the modern astrology stuff is...its own thing to put it respectfully.

Kvlt! fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Nov 5, 2023

Oldstench
Jun 29, 2007

Let's talk about where you're going.
A History of Horoscopic Astrology by James Holden is probably what you're looking for. It also has a huge bibliography if your friend wants to go into more depth.

MockingQuantum
Jan 20, 2012



I read Blood Meridian about a month back and I'm looking for some other books like it as a result. I don't need anything nearly as bleak or intense as Meridian (or really want anything that intense for a bit, lol), mostly looking for westerns that don't really idealize or mythologize the American west, or at least play with some of the standard themes in interesting ways.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
Warlock by Oakley Hall is a classic for that.

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer
I'm quitting weed for a bit, and I'm looking for something breezy and fun to read to kill time while I'm restless/can't sleep. Previous books that did the job include Joe Abercrombie's The Heroes and Stephen Hunter books about snipers. SF, fantasy and military thrillers would be great but I'm wide open really.

Kenning
Jan 11, 2009

I really want to post goatse. Instead I only have these🍄.



The Vlad Taltos novels by Steven Brust are absolutely light and breezy fantasy. The first one has a bit of first novel syndrome – it's a bit too short, and some of the plot points don't feel earned. However, the books jump around in the timeline and all of the points in the first book definitely get paid for. The dialogue is chatty and fun, and the setting is super satisfying as it all spins out. Plus, there's a side series that's a pastiche of the D'artagnan Romances which is excellent.

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

Clipperton posted:

I'm quitting weed for a bit, and I'm looking for something breezy and fun to read to kill time while I'm restless/can't sleep. Previous books that did the job include Joe Abercrombie's The Heroes and Stephen Hunter books about snipers. SF, fantasy and military thrillers would be great but I'm wide open really.

My top rec for this vibe is (surprisingly controversial, but) Piranesi

Otherwise, I felt like all these were great light books that I still remember and never had to slog through

Some great page-turney classics:
Around the World in 80 Days
Journey to the Centre of the Earth
Actually maybe anything Jules Verne has written

The Time Machine

More recent:
A Wizard of Earthsea
The Goblin Emperor
Of Mice and Men (possibly not light, but very readable if you haven’t gotten to it yet)

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer
Thank you! Yeah Piranesi has been on my list for a while, maybe today's the day

Kenning
Jan 11, 2009

I really want to post goatse. Instead I only have these🍄.



Oh! Definitely look at any Robert Lewis Stevenson. Treasure Island and Kidnapped are both incredible.

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



Clipperton posted:

I'm quitting weed for a bit, and I'm looking for something breezy and fun to read to kill time while I'm restless/can't sleep. Previous books that did the job include Joe Abercrombie's The Heroes and Stephen Hunter books about snipers. SF, fantasy and military thrillers would be great but I'm wide open really.

Discworld's humor didnt work for me but if it does for you theres a lot of em

Redwall

Warhammer (pick your preference offantasy or 40k) books are very pulpy and easy to read, one of my go to choices for before bed

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

Clipperton posted:

I'm quitting weed for a bit, and I'm looking for something breezy and fun to read to kill time while I'm restless/can't sleep. Previous books that did the job include Joe Abercrombie's The Heroes and Stephen Hunter books about snipers. SF, fantasy and military thrillers would be great but I'm wide open really.

I don't know if this is going to be Tempting for you but Pollan's This is Your Mind on Plants is a great read and especially if you're used to getting a bit hosed up.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Clipperton posted:

I'm quitting weed for a bit, and I'm looking for something breezy and fun to read to kill time while I'm restless/can't sleep. Previous books that did the job include Joe Abercrombie's The Heroes and Stephen Hunter books about snipers. SF, fantasy and military thrillers would be great but I'm wide open really.

The entire Horus Heresy novel series.

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer
Thanks very much everyone!

Kenning posted:

Oh! Definitely look at any Robert Lewis Stevenson. Treasure Island and Kidnapped are both incredible.

Excellent suggestion, on the list they go

Gripweed posted:

The entire Horus Heresy novel series.

Kvlt! posted:

Warhammer (pick your preference offantasy or 40k) books are very pulpy and easy to read, one of my go to choices for before bed

Also excellent, I will happily read a Warhammer novel no matter how dogshit. Unfortunately I went on a WH binge earlier this year and I'm a bit boltered (and Sigmar'd) out

VelociBacon posted:

I don't know if this is going to be Tempting for you but Pollan's This is Your Mind on Plants is a great read and especially if you're used to getting a bit hosed up.

Oh it's not a Temptation thing, I'm just going on vacation somewhere it isn't legal and I'm detoxing beforehand rather than risk being a grumpy dickhead to my family all holiday. Sounds like a great book though!

Kvlt! posted:

Discworld's humor didnt work for me but if it does for you theres a lot of em

I have argued about the Middle East on Twitter, I have told CSPAM posters to cheer up a bit, and the most poo poo I have ever gotten online was when I said Terry Pratchett was mid

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fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

Clipperton posted:

I'm quitting weed for a bit, and I'm looking for something breezy and fun to read to kill time while I'm restless/can't sleep. Previous books that did the job include Joe Abercrombie's The Heroes and Stephen Hunter books about snipers. SF, fantasy and military thrillers would be great but I'm wide open really.

Lois Mcmaster Bujold

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