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DurianGray
Dec 23, 2010

King of Fruits

a friendly penguin posted:

Cherie Dimaline is very good. Just finished Venco and it was quite the grand adventure. Empire of Wild is also good, but in a more contained stakes sort of way. Louise Erdrich is usually the first indigenous author recommended and I've only read Future Home of the Living God which has Handmaid's Tale vibes if reproductive dystopia is interesting to you.

Also, they're incredibly not speculative fiction, but I cannot recommend Robin Wall Kimmerer enough. She's an indigenous-poet-biologist and her work is wondrous in so many ways.

Oh yeah Kimmerer is great, I loved Gathering Moss and Braiding Sweetgrass -- she reads the audiobooks herself too, and she's a delight to listen to.

(And thank you all for the recs and resources, I have a lot more to check out now!)

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Kchama
Jul 25, 2007

FPyat posted:

New James S.A. Corey title announced, The Mercy of Gods.

Ah, I see after playing Zone Of The Enders for the Expanse, he's now watching Bokurano for his newest book.

EDIT: For context, Bokurano is about a bunch of kids that are recruited by a dying man to pilot a giant robot to participate in what they later discover is a Hunger Games/Battle Royale-esque competition against other dimensions and whoever loses has their version of the universe wiped out. The reason for the need of a group of kids is that anyone who pilots the mecha dies after the battle's conclusion much like the man they met at the start did.

Predated Hunger Games by like 6 years.

Kchama fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Nov 10, 2023

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


Never finished Bokurano but the theme song is really nice.

Hey while mentioning animated shows, Scavengers Reign is some amazing tv I think anyone who enjoyed the Southern Reach trilogy will vibe with. And there even a scene near the end where I thought "oh man, this team needs to do a Locked Tomb series."

Ravus Ursus
Mar 30, 2017

ulmont posted:

Please don’t misparaphrase me. I used that dream to note that it isn’t that surprising that characters in the series are later shown to have sexual attraction to Darling.

Please don’t misquote me. I literally included that segment in my blockquote.

Wasn't talking about you. It was a few posts before you pulled the correct quote and gave it context.

FewtureMD
Dec 19, 2010

I am very powerful, of course.

Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

Or the ending of Memnoch the Devil

Let me just say, reading this at the age of 10 certainly did a number on my psyche :shepicide:

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Yeah I couldn't hang with it. Now I'm reading a KU series about a knight who gets turned into a vampire and embarks on a thousand year quest for revenge! That's literature baby!

Runcible Cat
May 28, 2007

Ignoring this post

Safety Biscuits posted:

Not like that. I just meant that the books vary a lot in quality, and also the overall shape of the series is basically incoherent; there's a couple of major plot points bouncing around books 1-5, and Guest Gulkan brings it all together at just about the last moment, but that's all. Cook said that this was because the series was difficult to control. On the other hand, it's why we have a load of picaresques and oddball books in places never mentioned again, and why the books seem so alive, noisy, and messy... and the sense of political anarchy you're talking about here is also a big draw for me.

Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah, he's definitely winging it a lot of the time. Which is another thing I really like; this is a writer who can think "drat, I'm sick of wrangling my characters across this map to get them to the right place at the right time; I'm going to set the next 2 books on one island" and do it and still have them fit. It's great.

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

zoux posted:

Yeah I couldn't hang with it. Now I'm reading a KU series about a knight who gets turned into a vampire and embarks on a thousand year quest for revenge! That's literature baby!

title/author?

crazyvanman
Dec 31, 2010

DurianGray posted:

Does anyone have recommendations for books by Native American/First Nations authors? It's Native American Heritage month in the US and I wanted to make that a focus in my reading, but realized I've already read all the ones I had on hand.

I've already read a good amount of Stephen Graham Jones and Rebecca Roanhorse since those are probably two of the bigger names with genre fiction at least. I just finished Moon of the Crusted Snow by Waubgeshig Rice, which was a really interesting take on an apocalypse narrative--the setting is a remote Ojibwe community/reservation in Canada, so they don't even realize anything has happened initially. I've also read a couple of short story anthologies that were pretty solid (Love After the End and Taaqtumi -- post-apoc SFF and horror respectively) so I'd love some more of those too if anyone has recommendations.

The Marrow Thieves series (currently just two books) by Cherie Dimaline is also good. It's YA, but I enjoyed it. It's increasingly self-conscious about being based on boarding/reservation schools. That really picks up in the second book but sometimes it's pretty chillingly close to the real story. For example, the premise of the series is that people have lost the ability to dream and that only native people retain this ability. They are hunted down as a result. I remember reading elsewhere from boarding school survivors that the only way they were able to keep their language alive was by dreaming in it.

My Shark Waifuu
Dec 9, 2012



To Shape a Dragon's Breath by Moniquill Blackgoose is another good YA book. It's a fantasy with unique Anglish worldbuilding, dragons, and chemistry magic, what's not to like?

zoux
Apr 28, 2006


It's the Immortal Knight series by Dan Davis. Turns out he's a history youtuber, and the premise of a vampire knight is just his gimmick to enable him write Cornwellian historical fiction. The vampire stuff has been very background so far, and the main character is traveling with Richard I on the first crusade and participates in major battles from history. It's actually not too bad, I was expecting some pulpy crap I'd wince my way through and instead it's competent military historical fiction. His prose is pretty threadbare but it moves like a rocket and he's good at staging and describing action and battles. A history youtuber writing a book that takes place in the crusades is a huge red flag, but I watched a couple of his videos and checked his twitter feed and he doesn't appear to be a crypto fascist. I don't know how vampirey it gets later on so if you're expecting the Vampire Council Decides The Immortal Knight Must Die!, well it ain't in the first half of the first book at least.

zoux fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Nov 11, 2023

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

sebmojo posted:

Oh yeah both the follow ups are really good still not finished though, fair warning. He has a second series he's started which sounds like 'what happens after the end of the epic fantasy series?' but I haven't read that.

I am a huge fan of his rpg stuff, best writer in the field on balance.

Inspired by this post I decided to finally read The Sword Defiant after bouncing off the Gutter Prayer books (mostly just because I don't like first person present tense). It's good! Hanrahan doing High Fantasy with his usual weirdness/big ideas at the edges rather than front and centre.

Just well written competent High Fantasy storytelling. Everything's largely familiar, instead of candle people there's Elves, Dwarves and Knights and they're largely as you'd expect them to be. Plenty of crowd pleasing moments. A little twisty no major surprises. Everyone has comprehensible motivations, even the big extinction level reshape the world bads, which is nice (especially working through the Malazan series).

This isn't Game of Thrones (or even Malazan) level fantasy realism but it does gesture more to a reality of things than many other books of it's type. Refreshingly the entire novel and world building revolve around themes of ageing and mortality, it's rare to see such deliberate and successful entwining.

Horizon Burning
Oct 23, 2019
:discourse:

Sailor Viy posted:

Never been interested in Corey before but this premise sounds great. "What if Hunger Games but with entire species"

it gave me completely the opposite feeling. "oh, the expanse guys are going to try and do hunger games, eeehhh"

carryx and dafyd alkhor aren't exactly thrilling names either

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Yeah, where the hell are the apostrophes?

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

DACK FAYDEN posted:

also, isn't the second book Cugel? a book about, and starring, an rear end in a top hat? definitely going to be the worst for characterization
wanna return to this, fourth book of the four starts off with an antagonist witch that, shock! horror! turns men into women! and one of the first symptoms is that they start to care about their house's cleanliness!

(so uh, yeah, the misogyny is kind of rough. still really good reads when you either slog through or get past those parts though)

CaptainRat
Apr 18, 2003

It seems the secret to your success is a combination of boundless energy and enthusiastic insolence...

DACK FAYDEN posted:

wanna return to this, fourth book of the four starts off with an antagonist witch that, shock! horror! turns men into women! and one of the first symptoms is that they start to care about their house's cleanliness!

That sucks, although as someone who has read Chalker it feels kind of quaint.

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

CaptainRat posted:

That sucks, although as someone who has read Chalker it feels kind of quaint.
oh absolutely. and it's quickly resolved and the plot moves on, it's not presented as existentially terrifying and also the writer's fetish simultaneously. just... not disagreeing with the poster that I was only somewhat disagreeing with prior :v:

monochromagic
Jun 17, 2023

Just finished reading The Dawnhounds last night. Really enjoyed it even though I was SO confused most of the time. Have a question about Kiada - as far as I understood, Yat saw her as a blank sometime during her time as a cop. However, Kiada somehow?? later became a pirate on Sibbi's ship? Is it explained how that happened?

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

Is a man not entitled to the haw of his maw?
Grimey Drawer
Welp, Bookshelves and Bonedust was pretty good. I was wondering WTF was going on and realized I was only about 40% through the book. Thought it'd be shorter for some reason.

Still, if you dug Legends and Lattes, you'll dig the sequel.

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Mar 31, 2009

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Rain Brain
Dec 15, 2006

in ghostlier demarcations, keener sounds
Just as a caution if anyone is considering getting Angel of Crows because they liked The Goblin Emperor it's just Addison's Sherlock (the show, not the books) wing-fic (the characters have wings - apologies if everyone knows that) fanfic packaged up for sale. It was bad enough that it led me to actually look up wtf had happened after I gave up on finishing it.

ETA thanks to pradmer for posting sale books, almost every sci-fi/fantasy purchase I've made in the last year is because of those lists.

Rain Brain fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Nov 13, 2023

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Cosigned. Thank you, pradmer.

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness
If somehow anyone in this thread has still slept on Three Parts Dead, now's your chance. Max Gladstone writes good stuff.

Ravus Ursus
Mar 30, 2017

Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

Welp, Bookshelves and Bonedust was pretty good. I was wondering WTF was going on and realized I was only about 40% through the book. Thought it'd be shorter for some reason.

Still, if you dug Legends and Lattes, you'll dig the sequel.

Wait, I thought it was a prequel

John Lee
Mar 2, 2013

A time traveling adventure everyone can enjoy

Rain Brain posted:

(the characters have wings - apologies if everyone knows that)

I mean, you should apologize for the fact that I NOW know that

I already knew that but the point still stands

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Rain Brain posted:

Just as a caution if anyone is considering getting Angel of Crows because they liked The Goblin Emperor it's just Addison's Sherlock (the show, not the books) wing-fic (the characters have wings - apologies if everyone knows that) fanfic packaged up for sale. It was bad enough that it led me to actually look up wtf had happened after I gave up on finishing it.

ETA thanks to pradmer for posting sale books, almost every sci-fi/fantasy purchase I've made in the last year is because of those lists.

Counter point: I thought it was fun and I enjoyed it, and think you should read it.

I don’t understand the sniffy “it’s just Sherlock fanfic”. So? Lots and lots of stuff is based on, or influenced by, or another version of something that already exists. Its not just a Sherlock rewrite, it’s been moved into a significantly different world. Sometimes the “fanfic” label feels like a way to try to delegitimize a book. The prose isn’t bad, it’s set in a weird fantasy London, and if you’re into that you should read it.

Awkward Davies fucked around with this message at 07:45 on Nov 13, 2023

Whale Vomit
Nov 10, 2004

starving in the belly of a whale
its ribs are ceiling beams
its guts are carpeting
I guess we have some time to kill
Does Bird Person operate from a mind palace in this totally new and different setting?

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

Is a man not entitled to the haw of his maw?
Grimey Drawer

Ravus Ursus posted:

Wait, I thought it was a prequel

Yes.

It's got pre and post scenes. That's about the most non spoilery way I can phrase it.

darthbob88
Oct 13, 2011

YOSPOS

Rain Brain posted:

Just as a caution if anyone is considering getting Angel of Crows because they liked The Goblin Emperor it's just Addison's Sherlock (the show, not the books) wing-fic (the characters have wings - apologies if everyone knows that) fanfic packaged up for sale. It was bad enough that it led me to actually look up wtf had happened after I gave up on finishing it.
What leads you to the underlined conclusion? I recognized a couple of the cases in the book as clear references to the Adventures of the Speckled Band and the Copper Beeches, which weren't adapted for Sherlock on TV.

Thanks also to pradmer for collecting these sales.

FPyat
Jan 17, 2020
I'm debating whether or not to read Thunder and Gears of the City by Felix Gilman. I liked The Half-Made World, and these two books sound like they're inhabiting a space similar to China Mieville's work but preferring to focus the weirdness in a somewhat more literary direction. Anyone read them?

team overhead smash
Sep 2, 2006

Team-Forest-Tree-Dog:
Smashing your way into our hearts one skylight at a time

darthbob88 posted:

What leads you to the underlined conclusion? I recognized a couple of the cases in the book as clear references to the Adventures of the Speckled Band and the Copper Beeches, which weren't adapted for Sherlock on TV.

Thanks also to pradmer for collecting these sales.

The book starts with a quote from the TV show and ends with an author’s note stating:

“FOR THOSE OF you who do not know, there is a thing called fanfiction, wherein fans of a particular book or TV show or movie write stories about the characters. Fanfiction, as an umbrella term, covers a vast variety of genres and subgenres. One of those subgenres is something called wingfic, wherein a character or characters have wings. The Angel of the Crows began as a Sherlock wingfic.“

As well as being Holmes’ first name, Sherlock is also the name of the popular BBC show and when people refer to Sherlock fanfic they invariably mean the latter rather than just general Sherlock Holmes fanfic.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot
I would be down for reading Sherlock Holmes fanfic, but would pass on Sherlock fanfic.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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thotsky posted:

I would be down for reading Sherlock Holmes fanfic, but would pass on Sherlock fanfic.

Sherlock is Sherlock Holmes fanfic.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer

thotsky posted:

I would be down for reading Sherlock Holmes fanfic, but would pass on Sherlock fanfic.
Sherlock Holmes has been (partially, the situation is complicated and the Doyle estate's litigiousness doesn't help) considered public domain for quite a while, there's tons of published fanfic.

Jedit posted:

Sherlock is Sherlock Holmes fanfic.
Also that.

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

thotsky posted:

I would be down for reading Sherlock Holmes fanfic, but would pass on Sherlock fanfic.

I'll never pass up an opportunity to recommend August Derleth's Solar Pons books, which are the most pure Holmes pastiche I've seen.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Yeah, there has been Sherlock Holmes fanfics for decades. Nicholas Meyers’ from the seventies are classics! I know he wrote some more recent ones, but those don’t seem to have been as well received.

Slyphic
Oct 12, 2021

All we do is walk around believing birds!

FPyat posted:

I'm debating whether or not to read Thunder and Gears of the City by Felix Gilman. I liked The Half-Made World, and these two books sound like they're inhabiting a space similar to China Mieville's work but preferring to focus the weirdness in a somewhat more literary direction. Anyone read them?
I read both of those, very strong Mieville parallels, though I don't think they're any more 'literary' than China. Still enjoyed them both greatly. The books I think they're the closest to in terms of structure would be Dave Hutchinson's Fractured Europe Sequence which again I really liked. Also very Mievillian in that they're pretty bleak stories.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

thotsky posted:

I would be down for reading Sherlock Holmes fanfic, but would pass on Sherlock fanfic.

Start with the Solar Pons books by August Derleth. They aren't bad! Or at least that's what I thought at age 12. I should go back and reread them now to see if they hold up.

Edit: gently caress, beaten on the Solar Ponsposting, was not expecting that

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

Chairman Capone posted:

Yeah, there has been Sherlock Holmes fanfics for decades.

Centuries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ars%E8ne_Lupin_versus_Herlock_Sholmes

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buffalo all day
Mar 13, 2019

if someone is consciously writing fanfic in some subgenre called “wing fic”, it’s probably because they, and their audience, are extremely interested in descriptions of characters with wings. What are the wings doing, what do they look like, how do they feel. Oh, nice wings. What color are they. Are they like raven wings. You look like a beautiful Angel. Do you like to fly with your wings?

If you, like me, do not care about this, it’s probably good to know that the story you’re considering reading was written for people with this extremely narrow interest. Or else you, like me, will be extremely puzzled as to why Watson keeps talking about feathers.

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