|
bizwank posted:those huge fume-capturing boots on their nozzles ah, you mean the pump foreskins
|
#
?
Nov 21, 2023 17:47
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 2, 2024 04:25 |
|
|
I never see those in and around Portland
|
|
#
?
Nov 21, 2023 17:54
|
|
|
Oh looks like the EPA actually phased that requirement out a long time ago (TL;DR: modern cars made them redundant), I guess there's just a bunch of stations around Seattle that still have em for some reason. Thanks Obama!
|
|
#
?
Nov 21, 2023 17:59
|
|
|
They're still everywhere in California, but California is...special.
|
|
#
?
Nov 21, 2023 18:08
|
|
|
It depends on a lot of things. Those boots are related to vapor recovery. Most modern nozzles have a tube in a tube thing at the nozzle, to help with vapor recovery. I believe the boots were for before they went to the tube in a tube system, and were retrofits on the old style non recovery nozzles. I'd bet. Costco is cheap. I'd also bet nozzle condoms are cheaper than "modern" nozzles. I'll put money, that they're using the cheapest pump handles they can get that are legally ok.
|
|
#
?
Nov 21, 2023 18:35
|
|
|
Sagebrush posted:ah, you mean the pump foreskins thread title TotalLossBrain posted:I never see those in and around Portland I see them here and there, but mostly at neighborhood places with ooooold equipment.
|
|
#
?
Nov 21, 2023 19:01
|
|
|
Uncut gas only
|
|
#
?
Nov 21, 2023 19:30
|
|
|
Chris Knight posted:Uncut gas only They cut all the gas with ethanol around here
|
|
#
?
Nov 21, 2023 19:35
|
|
|
One of the regional gas station/convenience store chains around here carries ethanol-free fuel in half of their stations so I'm never far away from that as an option. It's expensive as poo poo, but so is owning the bike.
|
|
#
?
Nov 21, 2023 19:53
|
|
|
A few rural stations carry ethanol free premium which is all I use for the dirt bikes. It's currently around $5.50 which isn't bad at all
|
|
#
?
Nov 21, 2023 20:03
|
|
|
I'm grateful that I have an ethanol free station nearby my house. Its more expensive but its only for the bike and yard tools.
|
|
#
?
Nov 21, 2023 20:05
|
|
|
At least up until this year, Shell's top grade was ethanol-free in Ontario, so I'd always do a full tank of it right before storage.
|
|
#
?
Nov 21, 2023 23:28
|
|
|
Lol and also lmao, I've been worrying for nothing. Shell and Esso (ExxonMobil) are the only ones with 98 premium around here, and a couple of years back the pumps suddenly had 'E5' markings on them. (And the national drivers assoc. ran stories with "No ethanol-free fuel available any more - vintage car clubs in shambles"). But reading Essos webpage just now, and paraphrasing, "we are required to mark the fuel with E5 for up to 5% ethanol, but we are going to put 0% in, don't worry". (Dunno what Shell are doing, they don't say either way.)
|
|
#
?
Nov 21, 2023 23:41
|
|
|
Xakura posted:But reading Essos webpage just now, and paraphrasing, "we are required to mark the fuel with E5 for up to 5% ethanol, but we are going to put 0% in, don't worry". Is it in Esso’s financial interest to use ethanol in its gasoline? If so, I’d hardly believe their “pinky promise” that E5 is just a label.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2023 00:40
|
|
|
With consumer protection being what they are here, I can't imagine lying on a public statement going great for them. I'd be more worried if the text quietly disappeared.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2023 01:10
|
|
|
Some percentage is good for both cars and plumbing. It stops water from pooling, same reason most brake fluid is somewhat hydroscopic. HEET? that fuel additive, is.. literally.. alcohol. So why 5%? Fuel is mostly transported in pipelines, and years ago they stopped using pigs to separate batches in the line. This means, each batch mixes a bit with the previous and subsequent batches. Even if they order 0%, there will be ~some~ alcohol in their batch. So there's no practical way they could sell actual 0%. And I'll bet that's why they had to put some "minimum number" on their pumps. Since we're talking about fuel. Most fuel is done in massive batches, and the differentiators are additive packages that each company chooses to add to their fuel. That 89 is probally the same 89 at every station in town, but Shell, Amoco, Sinclair are gonna have somewhat different additive packages.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2023 01:30
|
|
|
There's a place near me with ethanol free but it's regular only :/ Does anyone actually know how much regular (presumably) you get out of the pump when you switch to premium? I'm a huge range coward on my bike so I'm always just adding like 2.5 gallons at a time
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2023 02:19
|
|
|
Arson Daily posted:There's a place near me with ethanol free but it's regular only :/ It's a bit more than a quart. Assuming worst case scenario, you're putting in 2.20 gallons of 91, and .3 gallons of 87, your fuel is going to be 90.5 octane. The fuel sitting in your tank for a week will affect it's octane more. Octane doesn't matter as much as you might imagine. Unless you're wrapping that throttle wide open all the time, you're probably gonna be fine. Most of the time the engine is running in an under vacuum situation, so the cylinder pressures will be lower, and you're not going to need the anti-detonation of higher octane. A point or two of octane rating wouldn't bother me one bit.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2023 02:41
|
|
|
Cool I had no idea. I'm not all that worried about the octane since the tiger is tuned pretty conservatively and only "requires" 89 but it's a thought I have every time I fill the thing up
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2023 03:17
|
|
|
Do most modern bike engines use anti-knock sensors and the like to keep engines from actually being damaged in those cases, the way (I think) almost all cars do now?
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2023 03:31
|
|
|
RightClickSaveAs posted:Do most modern bike engines use anti-knock sensors and the like to keep engines from actually being damaged in those cases, the way (I think) almost all cars do now? Most bike engines do not, don't run lower octane fuel if your bike isn't made for it
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2023 03:39
|
|
|
Arson Daily posted:There's a place near me with ethanol free but it's regular only :/ I always heard a couple of liters but I usually pumped out a gallon into my car's gas tank when filling the gas can for my go kart with premium which was probably leaning towards overkill.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2023 03:41
|
|
|
Do bikes seriously not have an anti knock sensor? My loving Scirocco had one of those lmao. Like is the ignition advance just fixed?
F1DriverQuidenBerg fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Nov 22, 2023 |
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2023 03:42
|
|
|
The assumption is you'll use the correct fuel for your engine yes
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2023 04:13
|
|
|
so does a car engine, that doesn't preclude it from using a knock sensor to monitor the ignition timing.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2023 04:57
|
|
|
That's not what knock sensors really do. Your car isn't using the knock sensor constantly, it only uses it to pull back timing when the engine starts to knock. There will be some kind of learning aspect to it so it's not constantly bouncing off the knock limit, but that doesn't really change the fact that if you're controlling fuel delivery directly and regulating it for engine and air temperature, you don't need a knock sensor to run the most advanced timing possible. Cars have them as idiot proofing but they don't really help performance or efficiency or anything.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2023 05:07
|
|
|
I daily drove a lovely Bosch Jetronic car for like 5 years. I'm well aware how ignition timing and advance works. I'm just asking if bike manufacturers are so loving cheap that they can't put a knock sensor on the engine. No need to freak out bro
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2023 06:13
|
|
|
If I put higher octane fuel into the mt03 I get worse gas mileage.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2023 06:14
|
|
|
I put JET FUEL in my bike because JETS are cool and need the BEST fuel so when I get that ROCKET fuel in there my bike takes off like a ROCKET!
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2023 06:18
|
|
|
tony quidtana posted:I daily drove a lovely Bosch Jetronic car for like 5 years. I'm well aware how ignition timing and advance works. I'm just asking if bike manufacturers are so loving cheap that they can't put a knock sensor on the engine. No need to freak out bro  Russian Bear posted:If I put higher octane fuel into the mt03 I get worse gas mileage. I've encountered this before and I've also encountered low compression bikes (so, Harleys) being harder to start with higher octane, I guess cause it's harder to ignite? But idk maybe nerobro would know more about that
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2023 06:19
|
|
|
Arson Daily posted:I'm a huge range coward on my bike so I'm always just adding like 2.5 gallons at a time 
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2023 06:24
|
|
|
With the VanVan I wait until the fuel light comes on, and that's still only 1.2 US Gallons. I've had a small bladder my entire life and it's exactly like that.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2023 08:13
|
|
|
Gaschat reminded me that the US Marines commissioned a bike that could run on diesel or JP8 jet fuel: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/warhorse-us-marine-corps-has-jet-fuel-powered-motorcycle-188413 96 mpg on a KLR650 chassis
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2023 11:16
|
|
|
tony quidtana posted:I daily drove a lovely Bosch Jetronic car for like 5 years. I'm well aware how ignition timing and advance works. I'm just asking if bike manufacturers are so loving cheap that they can't put a knock sensor on the engine. No need to freak out bro Nice meltdown bro
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2023 11:46
|
|
|
It’s definitely Fall. Air is crisper, days are shorter, leaves are falling and someone in the bike discussion thread is jumping down Slavvys throat for trying to be helpful
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2023 15:53
|
|
|
Russian Bear posted:If I put higher octane fuel into the mt03 I get worse gas mileage. Higher octane fuel contains less energy, and it burns slower. So... if your fuel is burning slower, you're going to have lower average cylinder pressure. That means you need to run with a more open throttle for the same power. I'm not surprised. T Zero posted:Gaschat reminded me that the US Marines commissioned a bike that could run on diesel or JP8 jet fuel: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/warhorse-us-marine-corps-has-jet-fuel-powered-motorcycle-188413 And 28hp. tony quidtana posted:Do bikes seriously not have an anti knock sensor? My loving Scirocco had one of those lmao. Like is the ignition advance just fixed? It's shocking how primitive most motorcycle EFI is. It's ~just blind~ on a lot of bikes. They typically don't have any sort of MAF, and just ~guess~ at air density. Only some have O2 sensors. Knock sensors are.. nice.. but also are problematic in high HP/L situations. Motorcycle engines are noisy, and I could see trying to get a knock sensor to play nice on a 10krpm thing with a gearbox in it, and a giant chain slapping the case to be... pretty tricky. Arson Daily posted:I put JET FUEL in my bike because JETS are cool and need the BEST fuel so when I get that ROCKET fuel in there my bike takes off like a ROCKET! I know you're joking. But the reality is even more fun. Hydrazine was used as a fuel additive in the 50's. It's literally rocket fuel. Also, had a habit of making fuel tanks detonate. It was ~very~ effective. Nerobro fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Nov 22, 2023 |
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2023 16:08
|
|
|
I used to run 100LL avgas in a modified higher compression 2-stroke as cheap high octane gas. Oxygenated race fuel is MUCH better even in the same engine, let alone one built for it.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2023 16:22
|
|
|
Nerobro posted:And 28hp. impressive that they managed to improve on the stock KLR motor
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2023 16:24
|
|
|
T Zero posted:Gaschat reminded me that the US Marines commissioned a bike that could run on diesel or JP8 jet fuel: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/warhorse-us-marine-corps-has-jet-fuel-powered-motorcycle-188413 It was slower than the original klr. with lots of bespoke fragile parts. Basically an inverse ktm.
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2023 17:59
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 2, 2024 04:25 |
|
|
Nerobro posted:It's shocking how primitive most motorcycle EFI is. It's ~just blind~ on a lot of bikes. They typically don't have any sort of MAF, and just ~guess~ at air density. Only some have O2 sensors. Knock sensors are.. nice.. but also are problematic in high HP/L situations. Motorcycle engines are noisy, and I could see trying to get a knock sensor to play nice on a 10krpm thing with a gearbox in it, and a giant chain slapping the case to be... pretty tricky. Basically every bike has an O2 sensor + cat nowadays, the majority of efi bikes have a MAP sensor from what I've seen. They're primitive in that sense, but they also have far more sophisticated systems than cars when it comes to improving rideability and response like secondary butterflies, showerhead injectors, variable length venturi systems and so on I worked on a Trident 650 the other day and was stunned when I pulled the tank off and saw an intake plenum terminating at just one TB like a car
|
|
#
?
Nov 22, 2023 18:27
|
|