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Three Olives posted:Realistically we will probably see something like bus lanes everywhere for self-driving cars where they are considered exempt from capabilities a human is capable of, making the whole system worse for everyone but you get to be driven to work in a $80k Audi instead of a bus like a filthy poor. Ha, yeah that seems about right. Always annoying how a lot of technology seems to get used just in the worst possible way. There is a lot of possible very good uses for self driving cars, but it is likely when ever they come about lots of people will just use it as an excuse for why no, we shouldn't invest more in public transport actually.
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euphronius posted:Also AI is impossible and stupid at even the slightest amount of thinking about it Consider a neural network of comparable complexity to a human brain (which is really loving complex, more so than simply counting neurons would suggest, and far far beyond current hardware). Go through a full 20-year rearing process similar to a human neonate, duplicating a lot of the internal processes at the same time (such as pruning). It is conceivable that after trying this enough times you will eventually create something possessing general intelligence. At this point it is inferior to a regular human while costing fantastically more. But there are two notable points 1) It can now be duplicated endlessly by copying the files 2) it has no rights whatsoever This is of course incredibly immoral and a violation of every human right ever, but these issues can be dealt with by simply ignoring them.
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Nov 23, 2023 06:36
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mannerup posted:this is a fair point, and there are absolutely certain applications that blow humans out of the water (I honestly think operating motor vehicles is one of these areas, as much as people like to think that is a unique domain to humans or we are somehow superior to a machine with multiple sensors to detect collisions) Back before deep learning I was studying various algorithms for sorting data. I thought the neural network ones were interesting because they were based off brain networks (in a very hand-wavy way, for example there's not currently a biologically plausible explanation for back-propagation which is like... the entire way NNs learn anything). They had a following back then that thought their biological basis meant they were destined for big things, but I wrote them off as interesting but ultimately less powerful than other algorithms, and the field was very stagnant at that time. Then like 2 or so years later deep learning stuff came out and then we started getting DallEs and ChatGPTs and now it's the new hot thing. I don't know about poker, but when I was studying the game to beat was 'go,' which had a set of possible board configurations so huge that it was impossible to beat it through calculating board win probabilities, and the complexity of the game increases as the game goes on (in most games like chess it goes down as the game goes on and people run out of options). It was trivial for a master to beat any AI. I cannot over emphasize how impossible the AI task of winning at Go was, it made the chess AIs look like child's play. When deep learning came out it absolutely destroyed Go. Anyway, I'll stop making GBS threads up the thread and get some sleep, but I do get the weird hype around NNs. They had a weird religious following even when they sucked and I'm sure their sudden explosion in power and popularity has been very vindicating. I wish I'd stuck with them, then I'd be fleecing rubes with my terrible AI garbage.
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Nov 23, 2023 06:39
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Image generating AI is the worst because it leads to CEOs thinking they're art experts because they typed some words in and got a picture out of it, allowing their cold dead hearts to pretend that they are capable of producing anything of societal worth Also the new "My son knows Photoshop, why are we paying these artists?" except they don't even need to give their kid a beer and a pizza
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Nov 23, 2023 06:42
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ashpanash posted:The problem isn't operating a motor vehicle in and of itself (which any well-trained computer algorithm should be able to exceed the skill of most humans in ideal conditions), but rather in the environment in which we use motor vehicles, which is an absurd mish-mash of non-deterministic, somewhat ill-defined and occasionally ad-hoc systems. The Lone Badger posted:Consider a neural network of comparable complexity to a human brain (which is really loving complex, more so than simply counting neurons would suggest, and far far beyond current hardware). consciousness is more than just an electrochemical reaction; there is something emergent that is unexplainable in any biological or physiological sense, and we currently lack the capacity to adequately explain emergentism.
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Nov 23, 2023 06:51
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mannerup posted:consciousness is more than just an electrochemical reaction; there is something emergent that is unexplainable in any biological or physiological sense, and we currently lack the capacity to adequately explain emergentism. Consciousness may not be neccesary for general intelligence. (or it may. who the gently caress knows.) To take things to an absurd degree; with enough biology knowledge and enough* computing power you could start by accurately simulating a biological human brain, and then experiment from there to see what you can change. * not happening this century The Lone Badger fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Nov 23, 2023 |
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Nov 23, 2023 07:04
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wake me up when an ai is based and loves sarcasm
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Nice Van My Man posted:I don't know about poker, but when I was studying the game to beat was 'go,' which had a set of possible board configurations so huge that it was impossible to beat it through calculating board win probabilities, and the complexity of the game increases as the game goes on (in most games like chess it goes down as the game goes on and people run out of options). It was trivial for a master to beat any AI. I cannot over emphasize how impossible the AI task of winning at Go was, it made the chess AIs look like child's play. When deep learning came out it absolutely destroyed Go. But it did so in a way that betrayed its nature - it doesn't understand what 'Go' is or that it's playing a game, it just follows a set of routines that it has found to be successful. And because of that, it can be consistently exploited. https://www.capstan.be/first-human-player-since-2016-to-defeats-ai-at-board-game-go-does-so-by-exploiting-a-weakness-in-the-system/
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Nov 23, 2023 07:08
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I loving love that Elon is slowly figuring out why Twitter was the way it was before his take over. And it's not because it was as woke, it was because it was a business he couldn't possibly understand.
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Nov 23, 2023 07:12
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Bunch of losers itt that don't realize you don't need full self driving when you can just load your car on a train
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ben shapino posted:stop speculating that elon doesn't like music Maybe he eats the record.
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Nov 23, 2023 08:38
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E the Shaggy posted:The Newsguard article has dropped and I guess Elon is going to have to sue them to because they also found ads next to Nazi tweets and fake stories about dead babies: It’s funny that they included their methodology in the article so elon can’t attack it the same way he did with mediamatters, I wonder if they’re going to get a thermonuclear lawsuit as well.
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Nov 23, 2023 08:45
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Regarding MM, I'm wondering how elon thinks people use twitter (the nazi adserving platfform also known as Ex) day to day?
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Nov 23, 2023 09:06
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Maybe he eats the record. Eats the record, pours the wine in his ear, shoves the Ambien up his butt.
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Burning_Monk posted:I loving love that Elon is slowly figuring out why Twitter was the way it was before his take over. And it's not because it was as woke, it was because it was a business he couldn't possibly understand. Yeah, its so obvious that firing most of the staff is back firing on him long term. "We don't need that many on ads! Sack 90% of them, what do they do all day just sit there and do nothing unlike me!" *One Year Later* "What the gently caress do you mean, that ads need to be targeted to the right groups, its just ads! Who now just pulled their ad order?"
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Nov 23, 2023 10:36
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Edmund Sparkler posted:Eats the record, pours the wine in his ear, shoves the Ambien up his butt. Stop trying to make Musk sound cool.
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Edmund Sparkler posted:Eats the record, pours the wine in his ear, shoves the Ambien up his butt. The ol' "Friday Night"
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Nov 23, 2023 10:48
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Aztec, the Goatse of cars: 
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I wonder if they sell that thing in SA and what do they call it there? (If i was into cars I'd have one and just BrBa errywhar)
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Three Olives posted:Realistically we will probably see something like bus lanes everywhere for self-driving cars where they are considered exempt from capabilities a human is capable of, making the whole system worse for everyone but you get to be driven to work in a $80k Audi instead of a bus like a filthy poor. Haha that would sickkk
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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1727599740324356253?t=vwhlOxq8C1ImyZEuKpcB5w&s=19 This will get advertisers back
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Does elon feel stupid right now? I know if I tried distracting from my “Hitler was right” post by attacking media matters, only for newsguard and people searching heilhitler to prove me wrong immediately, I’d feel pretty stupid. I assume even narcissists would feel some sort of discomfort.
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MilesK posted:Does elon feel stupid right now? I know if I tried distracting from my “Hitler was right” post by attacking media matters, only for newsguard and people searching heilhitler to prove me wrong immediately, I’d feel pretty stupid. I assume even narcissists would feel some sort of discomfort. Seeing as how he's stupid, he feels stupid. He just doesn't know what that feeling is. Kinda like when I had heartburn but because I didn't know what heartburn was like I thought I was dying and went to the hospital.
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MilesK posted:Does elon feel stupid right now? I know if I tried distracting from my “Hitler was right” post by attacking media matters, only for newsguard and people searching heilhitler to prove me wrong immediately, I’d feel pretty stupid. I assume even narcissists would feel some sort of discomfort. I mean they (narcissists/ malignant narcs in particular) ussually have a deep, deep self-loathing and inferiority complex that is buried in their subconscious that causes all of this, and they can't EVER face that because their identities and self-concepts are extremely fragile. He will never say that out loud though, or write it in public, and I don't know if they are capable of realizing they are stupid or just belligerently evil or selfish, just that everyone is out to get them because they are so awesome is typically all that they feel, and ways to hurt you for not appreciating that. They will also love bomb you with gifts or gestures so you shower them with praise, real emotional affection is extremely rare to non-existent though. They don't typically love or apologize like other people do. His children should sever from him and never speak to him again if they can, that's all you can do with them. They don't change, they just calcify into something worse. Source: anecdotal from my narcissist parent TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 14:09 on Nov 23, 2023 |
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Fat Albert in a can posted:I went back a few pages and didn't see anything like this, sorry if I'm accidentally plagiarizing.
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Nov 23, 2023 14:08
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Hmm, yes curious how you can't take two steps without tripping over yet another white, right-wing male shooter. I wonder why the media keeps talking about this and not the 1-2 times the shooters weren't white, right-wing males? 
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Nov 23, 2023 14:24
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I love that they made a new term because they ruined AI. Wouldn't an actual AGI need to consist of many hundreds or thousands of artificial neural networks, much like our own brains consists of many many biological neural networks that all operate together. We can barely make any at all right now there's no way we're anywhere close to an agi edit: if an AGI gained consciousness I would simply be nice to it and not try to murder it immediately like they do in scifi
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Like yeah, "hello an artificial intelligence with the sum knowledge of how amazingly idiotic we are with thousands of years of barbaric history, factual history, yet many decades worth of science fiction detailing all of the ways we are terrified of, uh, you" "can you hear us"? "strange, I dont think it can hear us, lets try turning it off and on again"
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quote:Elon Musk has decried a wave of “insane” strikes focused on Tesla workshops in Sweden, as workers target the US electric car manufacturer in a strike calling for collective bargaining rights. quote:The Tesla strike has attracted secondary action from eight other unions and is threatening to spread to neighbouring Norway, where Fellesförbundet (sic) (the United Federation of Trade Unions), the country’s largest private sector union, said it was prepared to take sympathy action. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/23/elon-musk-decries-strikes-as-swedish-workers-take-on-tesla https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1727564977869844865?s=20
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Nov 23, 2023 14:57
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No, it’s loving hilarious. Billionaires being told no will never not be funny.
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Nov 23, 2023 14:59
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everyone is evil and insane except me!!!
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Senor Tron posted:Let's see how that Cybertruck looks after a few minutes on a bumpy road. I want to see one go down a corrugated dirt road  Even in a good car, they're a nightmare. For Tesla grade trash I expect it would just fall apart and explode.
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Nov 23, 2023 15:08
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The peak of insanity is doing the thing your members pay dues for you to do
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Nov 23, 2023 15:11
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Yes, it's insane for labor to look out for each other. Is it possible for capital to be more transparent in their motives?
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fish and chips and dip posted:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/23/elon-musk-decries-strikes-as-swedish-workers-take-on-tesla Elon "Champion of the Human Race" Musk, "why can't these workers in Europoor just accept that I'm rich and they're not?!" Dude DESPERATELY needs to let someone else run his companies PR, he's actually worse than Trump at this
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No, no… let’s let him run his company PR a few more years. I think he’s turning a corner here
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Three Olives posted:I guess the example for me is, if you are going under an overpass and see a car on fire on top, it's probably safe to pass underneath, if you see overpass with a Exxon fuel truck on it and there is a liquid pouring down onto the road there are a lot of assumptions that a human can make about the safety of the situation that would be really difficult for AI, you have to understand what a fuel truck is, you have to understand why one would be labeled Exxon, make a leap to that it is probably carrying a very flammable chemical, that the tank is probably punctured if there is a large amount of fluid draining onto the road, that the fluid is likely from the truck because overpasses don't usually have large amounts of fluids coming off of them when it is not raining and that fluid is likely now covering the area you are intending on passing over and is highly likely to be suddenly engulfed in flames that could kill you.
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