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Apr 16, 2005

Pillbug

A.o.D. posted:

Followed by Bashir and Garak.
Best romances IMO:
Bashir and Garak
O'Brien and Bashir
Odo and Quark
Worf and Terrorism

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F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



Damar and kanar

Soul Dentist
Mar 17, 2009
Rom and Leeta

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Sisko and JAM BA LAYA

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.
Darmok and Jalad on the ocean.

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Romulus and Romii Remus

Soul Dentist
Mar 17, 2009
Quark and Morn

blastron
Dec 11, 2007

Don't doodle on it!


Janeway and Paris literally had kids together why aren't they on any of your lists

DavidCameronsPig
Jun 23, 2023

blastron posted:

Janeway and Paris literally had kids together why aren't they on any of your lists

They abandoned the kids!

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






blastron posted:

Janeway and Paris literally had kids together why aren't they on any of your lists

That was just a one night stand :cmon:

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.
Some people at work were talking about the shelves where we have the Christmas lights on display for sale, and one of them asked how many of a particular variety of lights were out there, and was told "three."

It took all of my willpower to resist shouting, "THERE! ARE! FOUR! LIGHTS!"

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


FlamingLiberal posted:

Sisko and JAM BA LAYA

Sisko and his PEP-PAHS

davidspackage
May 16, 2007

Nap Ghost


loving lol

The Muse's A(?)-Plot of Jake being creeped on by a weird vampire lady may suck, but Lwaxana & Odo are super good. It was a real good idea giving Lwaxana someone who can just be a friend to her (even though she still wants to bone down).

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!

davidspackage posted:

The Muse's A(?)-Plot of Jake being creeped on by a weird vampire lady may suck, but Lwaxana & Odo are super good. It was a real good idea giving Lwaxana someone who can just be a friend to her (even though she still wants to bone down).

Apparently that episode was a massive nightmare and they found it really hard to get any of it to work, which is why that A story exists and is...baffling.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

DavidCameronsPig posted:

They abandoned the kids!

settle down, alexander. isn't there a plasma conduit that needs scrubbing?

Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011

COMMENCE THE RITE OF SHITPOSTING

davidspackage posted:



loving lol

The Muse's A(?)-Plot of Jake being creeped on by a weird vampire lady may suck, but Lwaxana & Odo are super good. It was a real good idea giving Lwaxana someone who can just be a friend to her (even though she still wants to bone down).

That's my running for the worst DS9 episode. Apparently Majel Barrett wrote the Lwaxana story and they didn't want to piss off everyone by chucking it in the bin... The Meg Foster stuff was way too creepy also.

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.
Today's Deep Space Nine episode: Captive Pursuit. Another solid entry in the "Hunting the Most Dangerous Game" plots that Star Trek does from time to time. Not a whole lot to say about this one, though I did enjoy the ending with Sisko and O'Brien.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

ドーナツダメ!
I just rewatched Wrath of Khan, and the only thing going through my head the whole time was

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-je6hkGoL0

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!

Feldegast42 posted:

That's my running for the worst DS9 episode. Apparently Majel Barrett wrote the Lwaxana story and they didn't want to piss off everyone by chucking it in the bin... The Meg Foster stuff was way too creepy also.

That's not what Memory Alpha says at least.

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.
Tonight's episode of Deep Space Nine is one of the few I've actually seen before, "Q-Less," in which Sisko punches Q so hard he ducks out of DS9 for the rest of the series.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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W.T. Fits posted:

Tonight's episode of Deep Space Nine is one of the few I've actually seen before, "Q-Less," in which Sisko punches Q so hard he ducks out of DS9 for the rest of the series.
A wise decision considering that you do not mess with The Sisko

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


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I love you all
I maintain that it worked because Q could sense The Sisko's divine nature and he noped out rather than tangle with gods that might have been his match.

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.
That scene also provided us with one of the best Star Trek bloopers of all time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md8-VKPL9sA&t=40s

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




Atlas Hugged posted:

I maintain that it worked because Q could sense The Sisko's divine nature and he noped out rather than tangle with gods that might have been his match.

:same: and the reason he doesn't do much in that episode in the first place is because of general proximity of DS9 to the Prophets.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
I watched "Future's End" over the weekend and it was one of the limpest two-parters I think I've ever seen.

First, you run into the original problem that Janeway was only operating off of a 10 second threat-call. Just like she had no reason to believe this random dude, we the audience have no investment in the concerns of the 29th century. I couldn't possibly care if Earth gets blown up in 500 years, which I guess makes me more Starling than Janeway, but it's really just about the tension and stakes in a drama, which were non-existent.

Starling has to be the most annoying villain in Trek. I just can't accept that 29th century tech would be reverse engineerable with 1960s tech. Material science is a field for a reason. There's no manufacturing process for the components, no way to understand them on a digital level. How would he even begin to interface or run a diagnostic on what they do? It's kind of absurd. And yeah I know complaining about tech in Trek is pointless, but come on there has to be a baseline.

Then you also have the problem that if they were just a bit smarter, they could have avoided large portions of the plot. Traveling back to 1996 Earth should have been a huge gift to them. Surely they could just do a couple of laps around the solar system at relativistic speeds, carefully avoiding being nearby for First Contact, and then decelerating to join their century.

I mean for gently caress's sake, for how often ships get thrown to pre-warp Earth, you'd think the Time Police would specifically set up a relativistic speeds amnesty zone where ships could do just that and everyone would agree to ignore them to preserve the timeline.

In any case, I guess this marks the beginning of getting a sweeps two-parter in every season, so hopefully they have a bit more energy going forward.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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The only reason anyone remembers that two-parter is Sarah Silverman and the Doctor getting his Mobile Emitter.

Jimbone Tallshanks
Dec 16, 2005

You can't pull rank on murder.

Maybe someone left wikipedia open on a pad on the timeship idk

8one6
May 20, 2012

When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!

FlamingLiberal posted:

The only reason anyone remembers that two-parter is Sarah Silverman and the Doctor getting his Mobile Emitter.

A better show would have kept Sarah Silverman around for a while like Farscape did with Chiana.

Also Starfleet computers are ridiculously user friendly. I bet 29th century Badgey popped up as soon as he was inside and went "Golly, it looks like we're stuck in the 20th century. Would you like some help bootstrapping the computer revolution?"

8one6 fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Nov 27, 2023

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Atlas Hugged posted:

Then you also have the problem that if they were just a bit smarter, they could have avoided large portions of the plot. Traveling back to 1996 Earth should have been a huge gift to them. Surely they could just do a couple of laps around the solar system at relativistic speeds, carefully avoiding being nearby for First Contact, and then decelerating to join their century.

You h superior sensors, so you know when there's no Vulcans nearby. Jump to Alpha Centauri, do your time laps there where you're safely away from Earth, and come back.

Or, Tom Paris accidentally watches The Final Countdown while in 1996, gets some ideas, and has to be restrained while returning to the future to keep him from trying to obliterate the PRC from orbit and stop WWIII before it starts.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


He didn't reverse engineer most of the tech, just enough to get advanced over competition, even on that sort of advanced ship there are probably hits and pieces made in a clunkier fashion just for reliability sake, or simply because they are good enough.

Fake edit: have we ever seen evidence that a federation starship can actually reach relativistic speeds without warp field fuckery and the like? I believe it's even a thing with impulse engines that they do stuff to reduce the mass of the ship.

Senor Tron fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Nov 27, 2023

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot

8one6 posted:

A better show would have kept Sarah Silverman around for a while like Farscape did with Chiana.

Huh? Chiana was in almost every episode.

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Atlas Hugged posted:

I just can't accept that 29th century tech would be reverse engineerable with 1960s tech. Material science is a field for a reason. There's no manufacturing process for the components, no way to understand them on a digital level. How would he even begin to interface or run a diagnostic on what they do? It's kind of absurd.

Agreed 100%. My favorite way to explain this concept: say you go back in time and give Benjamin Franklin an iPad, complete with a solar-panel charger so that he can use it as much as he wants. Would he be able to reverse engineer it and build more of them? Or even deduce any useful principles from it? He could certainly prove it's an electrical device, but beyond that? Not a whole lot. It's basically magic. And as much as he'd love the calculator, the chess app, and the large collection of porn that you stocked it with (naturally), the solar panel would almost certainly be of much more practical use for him. (But he couldn't reverse engineer that either.)

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.
Tonight's DS9 episode was "Dax". Best part was the Bajoran arbiter, she was fun, kind of like a less abrasive Judge Judy.

Also, Bashir, bro, she's not into you. Take the hint and drop it. Constantly creeping on her just because she hasn't explicitly told you to gently caress off is a bad look.

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

thotsky posted:

Huh? Chiana was in almost every episode.

I guess “the entire rest of the show” counts as a while

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!

W.T. Fits posted:

Tonight's DS9 episode was "Dax". Best part was the Bajoran arbiter, she was fun, kind of like a less abrasive Judge Judy.

Also, Bashir, bro, she's not into you. Take the hint and drop it. Constantly creeping on her just because she hasn't explicitly told you to gently caress off is a bad look.

Definitely one of the season 1 episodes that makes you say "oh this is why season 1 gets a bad rap". It really wastes a lot of potential for setting up a main character by barely letting her do anything. And Bashir is extremely Early Bashir.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Jadzia has like 5 lines in that episode

For plot reasons she basically can't say anything

Zedd
Jul 6, 2009

I mean, who would have noticed another madman around here?



DS9 is a better first season than most of them but is very heavily carried by Duet.

8one6
May 20, 2012

When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!

thotsky posted:

Huh? Chiana was in almost every episode.

She was originally supposed to just be in three episodes.

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

W.T. Fits posted:

Tonight's DS9 episode was "Dax". Best part was the Bajoran arbiter, she was fun, kind of like a less abrasive Judge Judy.

Also, Bashir, bro, she's not into you. Take the hint and drop it. Constantly creeping on her just because she hasn't explicitly told you to gently caress off is a bad look.

Dax (episode) is an early indication that while the writers had a handle on Dax (symbiont) and Dax (Curzon), they had no loving idea what to do with Dax (Jadzia). She mostly just sits there and does nothing while the episode happens around her.

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Tiberius Christ
Mar 4, 2009

It's not until Jadzia starts hanging out with Klingons she gets interesting, Blood Oaths is excellent but its 2nd season

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