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rkd_ posted:I don't know, I feel the same about Kenjaku vs Takaba. The fight itself was very interesting. The conclusion, not so much. At the very least I think the ending for the Kenjaku fight was vastly more tolerable. All we need to clarify is whether/how Boogie Woogie was utilized when Yuta flips positions with Kenjaku but that's an easy thing to accomplish. It's nowhere near as egregious as Sukuna landing a killing blow offscreen with Gojo just not seeing it coming because reasons.
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Nov 29, 2023 22:46
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I thought Yuta just did some flash step move and just straight iced Kenjaku
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Nov 29, 2023 23:06
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Shinjobi posted:Yeah I really liked the fight! The ending is the sticking point but chapter to chapter it was nuts and I liked it. yea this is where I'm at too. fight good end bad thankfully kenjaku stuck the landing (so far anyway)
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Nov 29, 2023 23:11
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Asuron posted:What about the Sukuna vs Gojo rule wasn’t within the rules as written for the manga? 100% It was a litmus test for all the weird ways in which various characters have used jujutsu throughout the series, stacked on top of each other as these masters of the craft self-inflicted brain damage in an attempt to outwit the other. The only sleight of hand it truly pulls on the reader is when, immediately after Makora develops a version of Cleave that bypasses Limitless, Gojo manages a seeming reversal smashing Akito and the tone of the fight shifts to riding on that high until he has Sukuna dead to rights following the 2nd Purple. But the method for his defeat had already been choreographed across the previous two chapters.
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Asuron posted:What about the Sukuna vs Gojo rule wasn’t within the rules as written for the manga? I'm not saying it wasn't within the rules, just that I thought the ending of the fight was rather lame. I had hoped for a more interesting ending to the fight than a surprise attack that renders the good guy's technique completely useless. The killing blow happening off screen makes me think even the author could not think of a good way to make it happen. Talking about rules though, I do wonder how: 1) Gojo wasn't able to see that the slashes were coming using Six Eyes; 2) how it makes sense that if you target the universe you can somehow strike 'infinity'; and 3) what exactly is preventing Gojo from healing himself? rkd_ fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Nov 30, 2023 |
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Nov 30, 2023 00:31
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Takaba's technique was altering reality so Kenjaku wouldn't be aware of Yuta. I honestly thought it was an interesting way of dealing with him, considering the black box of his abilities, it felt like it was going to be hard to write Kenjaku being overpowered by anyone in a fight when we know he's a gifted barrier specialist unlikely to lose any domain battles and has had a long time in Geto's body to accrue curses to respond to any number of situations. The Sukuna vs Gojo fight was also good, and I appreciated the hints in hindsight about what Sukuna was doing (at one point Mahoraga's cleave just leaves empty space in a building in the background rather than physically cut through it, or something). I'm curious to see how they deal with Sukuna. Also, Kashimo was the most disappointing plot point for me so far, it sucks when a mangaka wastes panel space building hype like that for a meh narrative moment. We had just seen Gojo get merc'd and Kashimo giving a wounded Sukuna a run for his money could have been handled way better.
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Tosk posted:(at one point Mahoraga's cleave just leaves empty space in a building in the background rather than physically cut through it, or something). How did Gojo not notice this?
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rkd_ posted:How did Gojo not notice this? He very much noticed his arm getting detached.   
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Nov 30, 2023 00:40
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rkd_ posted:Talking about rules though, I do wonder how: 1) Gojo wasn't able to see that the slashes were coming using Six Eyes; 2) how it makes sense that if you target the universe you can somehow strike 'infinity'; and 3) what exactly is preventing Gojo from healing himself? 1) as mentioned, he didn’t see the earlier slash from Mahoraga either. The speed of Sukuna’s technique is inconsistent, but I guess that’s explainable by him adjusting its output and conditions. I don’t think you’re supposed to be able to react to them though, they’re near instantaneous which the anime showcased well. 2) I interpreted it as he was cutting the space that “infinity” existed in, so if you sever that space, you end up severing infinity by default. I think someone explained it as essentially breaking the fourth wall and cutting the page the manga was drawn on itself. 3) Kenjaku mentioned cursed energy, and thus RCT, comes from the stomach, which was one of the reasons why he targeted Yuki’s stomach with uzamaki.
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yum posted:my guesses: Mahoraga after adapting and Kashimo are the only ones shown to be able to see the slashes. Kashimo the only one to partially avoid one, was even outright told it was coming. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Nov 30, 2023 |
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rkd_ posted:3) what exactly is preventing Gojo from healing himself? When he says that Toji should have cut his head off he was way, way less injured in comparison. You can't just RCT your entire mangled corpse back together if your brain happens to be intact.
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Yeah, Kashimo is the only one shown able to "see" the slashes coming, and that was with his nervous system jacked up by his CT.
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yum posted:my guesses: Huh interesting, thanks, this also answers why it doesn't really matter whether Gojo noticed Sukuna casting the cleave or not. Did he not see Mahoraga's slash being cast because there is no spark? Now I do wonder what the consequences of number 2 are. Are there are now several gaps in 'reality' of cut space? Going back to reread the chapters, I also wonder how Sukuna was able to launch the attack at all considering his condition. Thinking about this more it just kinda feels like the author wrote Gojo and then had to find a way to counter him because otherwise the story would be pretty boring too.
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I do appreciate that...in theory? Gojo could probably heal himself. Except he plum done gone and went and melted his gosh darn brain too many times at that point.
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i think the only way Gojo returns would be as a cursed tool of sorts or as a curse himself. Gojo as Gojo is dead
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Shinjobi posted:I do appreciate that...in theory? Gojo could probably heal himself. Except he plum done gone and went and melted his gosh darn brain too many times at that point. Yes, but the black flashes restored his Reversed Cursed Energy right? I mean, the last page before we're shown the sequence with Gojo and all the dead characters show him healing his self-inflicted wounds on his face, so clearly he still has the skill. Also pretty hilarious I see people saying how there's no sign of Gojo in Chapter 237 which must mean he teleported somewhere.
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"Get ready for my second wind, Sukuna!!!!" ^ 
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don’t give in gege. keep gojo dead.
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Shinjobi posted:"Get ready for my second wind, Sukuna!!!!" Regardless of if the ending of the fight is good or bad this is still an incredible coincidence
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rkd_ posted:Yes, but the black flashes restored his Reversed Cursed Energy right? I mean, the last page before we're shown the sequence with Gojo and all the dead characters show him healing his self-inflicted wounds on his face, so clearly he still has the skill. RCT starts in the head, we’ve seen a couple of characters target the head specifically for that reason. He could be alive, because like with Toji he didn’t get hit with a cursed tool or technique to that area, but the shock of getting bisected instantly could mean he ain’t getting up for a while. Or he’s just dead , who knows but I don’t think he’s coming back for round 2 with Sukuna. If he comes back it’s for something that happens after.
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Asuron posted:RCT starts in the head, we’ve seen a couple of characters target the head specifically for that reason. He got bisected by a Cursed Technqiue, I think just regrowing his torso is beyond what he can do with RCT.
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yum posted:my guesses: My problem with this is that when Sukuna was critically injured and on the ropes. The attack is framed as being instantaneous but by no means is the actions required to initiate it instant. Gojo could dodge Mahoraga's normal attacks because it still has the same windup of slashing with the blade arm; I imagine part of what caught him off guard was that Mahoraga was strictly melee for most of the fight until it evolved that ranged ability so he had no reason to brace himself or dodge from it. I think earlier in the fight Gojo did in fact dodge Sukuna's cleave when it chunked a skyscraper so he can anticipate the technique as was also stated for Sukuna. For his efforts, Sukuna still needs to use hand motions or chants to "wind up" and direct his own CT just like Gojo. So if Gojo saw this man twitch and didn't instantly attack back when he was far more healed it he must have thought there was nothing to fear which is a dumb move and still very hard to swallow.
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In that instance, I’m not sure whether Gojo dodged that first dismantle, it flew past him because of his inviolability, or Sukuna wasnt even going for Gojo but was aiming for the building as a distraction to close the distance to punch him in the face with domain amplification. It is strange that he didn’t do a chant beforehand. Especially since Kashimo was marvelling at the chanted version as the tefhnjque that killed Gojo and cut the world. Unless he was referring to it in a general sense and not that specific dismantle. It probably doesn’t require a chant since it’s an extension of the technique. Chants appear to only increase the power and scale of the technique, as opposed to their concepts. yum fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Nov 30, 2023 |
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It's such a weird piece of writing to make a fight end the way that would keep the story going but with 0 logic. Even if we acknowledge that Gojo and Sukuna can use non-chant, non-hand signaled versions of their abilities it's just the most basic expressions of those techniques and we know through Gojo it's the result of at least months of practice. In gojo's case he doesn't always have to hand sign for infinity to provide a barrier for his body, and for sukuna he can use I assume dismantle on the fly like when he killed the two followers of Geto. But using Hollow Purple for the first time against Toji and even in the present he still needs to point with his hands and this enhanced cleave is at least on a similar level of complicated as Hollow purple. I don't care how much of a genius Sukuna is he should not be able to escape the burden of casting an ability on that level right after learning it, otherwise on top of having a domain with no barrier he should be able to make his domain without hand signs. I'm just tired of revisiting that moment and finding more reasons to complain about it.
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I thought that was the whole point brought up earlier about casting speed vs strength. everyone keeps forgetting that Gojo admitted that he was hosed up too just not as bad as he perceived Sukuna to be. to me it felt like Sukuna was baiting Gojo into letting his guard down then went with as fast of a version of dismantle as he could pull off all of the attacks these two rear end in a top hat were throwing out are essentially insta-kill moves. so ya one mistake and you get got
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MonsterEnvy posted:He got bisected by a Cursed Technqiue, I think just regrowing his torso is beyond what he can do with RCT. Nah, see, someone else is going to get bisected and then he's going to wake up, do a sick kickflip with his palms and land on their now severed legs and heal himself; just you watch!
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I am also salty about the fight, but c'mon guys, he got the same afterlife scene Jogo got, and nobody is saying Jogo is coming back any day now
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Gologle posted:I am also salty about the fight, but c'mon guys, he got the same afterlife scene Jogo got, and nobody is saying Jogo is coming back any day now I mean, not really, Sukuna's other fights ended with him having a heart to heart with that person, while Gojo was in a limbo dimension with his dead friends. I don't think it's an indication he's coming back, but it's different enough that I can at least see where people are coming from. Also let's be honest, SUKUNA JUST SLASHED HARDER is the most boring, uncreative way possible to end that fight, and it takes a lot of post-facto rationalization to claim it's actually a masterstroke of writing.
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Gojo ascending mark my words, he's too hot to die
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:he's too hot to die We’re absolutely getting more Gojo panels. Flashbacks, as a spirit from the afterlife, or another rear end pull. He just ain’t gonna be the hero of this story.
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i have no doubt that the afterlife will be the final battle location
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Gojo uses his telekinesis BS to drag his lower body back to his upper body and then they re-fuse with reverse technique bada bing bada boom, intact gojo
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Gologle posted:I am also salty about the fight, but c'mon guys, he got the same afterlife scene Jogo got, and nobody is saying Jogo is coming back any day now Looks like someone hasn't heard of JoGOAT
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gojo maintains a constant, tiny blue between his severed halves, holding himself together
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Gojo is a lego man and someone just needs to stick his body back on his legs.
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Conceptual powers are so loving stupid that you could conceivably treat death as a limit that you can use your powers to not reach. I dont think its going to happen, but if Gege wanted to drop 3 pages of HxH explaining that bullshit then I wouldn't be mad.
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I want Sukuna to argue he’s not guilty because his actions were in defense of Megumi from an out of control Mahoraga.
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Conceptual powers are so loving stupid that you could conceivably treat death as a limit that you can use your powers to not reach. Kenjaku, Tengen, Sukuna, even Hakari kinda does it. helicopter head could probly do it.
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Sukuna could've simply slashed the concept of death if he was more inventive. He's clearly not enlightened enough to be worthy of his jujutsu. Show him how to *really* use it, Yuji!
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