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Cao Ni Ma posted:Nobara coming back would make sense only if keeping her status obfuscated made sense. Like say they realize that her tech can hit sukuna directly in the event that he hijacked Itadori's body, in this case making her appear dead to Itadori would make sense since it would keep Sukuna in the dark. But that sort of went out of the window when he swapped bodies. Whenever I look around I do find Nobara fans huffing on that, but it was never even on the table since the Chekov's Gun in this regard has been telegraphed to be Maki with her Split Soul Katana. This is also the reason I suspect she's been kept in the background (other than showing she tanked Uraume's CT like a boss). Gege did the same with Takaba.
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CharlestonJew posted:Maki rules and I wouldn’t be surprised if the game plan atm is “wear Sukuna down and have Maki turn him into Swiss cheese” It would be pretty sick if we got a reversal on Toji vs. Gojo.
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everything with maki is cool, and the series lived up to everything she was built up to be. maybe the 'issues' surrounding itadori and nobara come from them being more editorial inserts than maki was? we know the whole thing being in a school wasn't something gege wanted to do (and he moved away from it pretty quick lol) though I really cant see why you'd do all this "is she dead? is she??" wink nudge stuff if she was..just dead. Or in a coma or whatever. Unless the scene Itadori asks about her and Fushigoro replies negatively is meant to be the confirmation?
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Dec 1, 2023 17:44
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She got offscreened for a couple years so the editor could finally OK her death.
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There was a weird exchange between Yuji and Fushiguro about being afraid Hana could become a "replacement Nobara".
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On the one hand, I think how Nobara was handled will always be a low point for JJK, even if she comes back and especially taken with the treatment of (mainly Yuki in my mind honestly, Maki's awesome), and yeah, it feels kind of ? to set up expectations that she might survive and then never give any closure whatsoever to that moment. on the other, I feel like there are also a lot of cases where manga show the result of having a serialized form of media where the creator really has no guarantee that they'll be able to do a fully planned out story and it's not always simple to plot out the path from point A to B in the narrative. In this sense Attack on Titan felt pretty tightly plotted, but I think One Piece is a good example where it's clear Oda has had many ideas ready since pretty early on, but at the same time the greater story feels (to me, I'm still 50-100 chapters behind tho) tight up until the timeskip and then every arc becomes a lot more meandering and ponderous, because maybe he didn't have the second half as graphed out or something. JJK feels a lot like that to me but on another scale, being 1/5th the length of OP. Shibuya felt like somewhere Gege knew he wanted to go from day 1 and clearly Kenjaku as antag was set up from very early, but maybe he wasn't sure how he wanted to navigate to Kenjaku's endgame after that. The Culling Games feel a lot more experimental and "this is the author freestyling as they go" narrative-wise. all this to say, maybe Gege wasn't 100% sure what he wanted to do with her as a character after Shibuya. It wouldn't really surprise me if the initial thought was something like: later on I pull out her technique in a clutch moment against Sukuna when everyone is super sure she's dead, but now we're years and years beyond that and it doesn't feel like the right plot beat anymore.
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Char posted:There was a weird exchange between Yuji and Fushiguro about being afraid Hana could become a "replacement Nobara". That was showing how Yuji hasn't had time to grieve Nobara (or anyone else for that matter) so he's being weird about her loss, and he knows it's weird and he's told it's weird and that they don't have time for that either.
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I still believe you need some real chops to pull off "Okay like 80% of the cast is gone, love all these new guys", and Gege didn't quite have the chops for it. I was invested in the main crew and some of the ancillary characters. They mostly got compromised to a permanent end, or put on the shelf for so long it kinda doesn't matter to me anymore. I'm sure we'll all be "Oh we're SO back" whenever Nobara probably comes back but really? She's been gone for so long that even having her completely ruin Sukuna/Kenjaku's plans would kinda just fall a bit flat to me. Nobara beating dudes up is as fun as any of the main cast beating people up, but the thing that made me like the character was how she bounced off the rest of the cast. At least Maki has gotten to do cool stuff I guess.
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One thing that it takes me a bit to grasp is that the Culling Games has been (more or less) half of the entire loving series at this point, which may be part of why I feel so negatively towards it. It's insane how long it has been around vs how relatively little seems to have happened until the very end compared to the first part up to the Shibuya Incident.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Earlier we had someone arguing her getting scars was Gege removing her femininity. Not sure if this is referring to my complaint when her new design was revealed but it was not complaining about that, but more complaining that the female cast was getting decimated + maimed while the male cast continues to look like a bunch of twinks. Justifiable complaint given what has happened to all the female characters since  It'll be nice if Maki is part of the end game.
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ImpAtom posted:One thing that it takes me a bit to grasp is that the Culling Games has been (more or less) half of the entire loving series at this point, which may be part of why I feel so negatively towards it. It's insane how long it has been around vs how relatively little seems to have happened until the very end compared to the first part up to the Shibuya Incident.
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Shibuya doubled the size of the manga and now the culling game has doubled the size of the manga. Its some real bloat and I think Shibuya was earned but CG being this long is definitely not.
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Jerkface posted:Not sure if this is referring to my complaint when her new design was revealed but it was not complaining about that, but more complaining that the female cast was getting decimated + maimed while the male cast continues to look like a bunch of twinks. Justifiable complaint given what has happened to all the female characters since No someone else stated that in order be strong she had to "become a a male character". And all that's changed about her as a person is that she's more butch. I can go hunt down to post when I'm not at work but it was in the middle of a long 10 paragraph post about it. And of course that quote posted where they literally said she was a man now because she got a short hair cut and then edited it to be slightly less obvious about it
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One thing probably not helping the new guys is that most of them are now gone too I think all that's left is Takaba, Hakari, and Higuruma and his chance of survival is looking real low right now
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Sukuna knows better than anyone that you have to cut off a jujutsu sorcerer's head/destroy their brain in order to truly kill them. He only cut Gojo in half because he kinda wants to see if Gojo's good enough to put himself back together again and power up even further to keep the fight going  But seriously, I don't think he's quite dead yet. He's only mostly dead, as opposed to all dead and the airport chapter did imply that he had a decision to make before heading off into the afterlife. I think he's got One Last Badass Moment left in him, kinda like Kamina in Gurren Lagann, but then it's lights out for good.
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Gojo using the last of his energy to keep himself alive long enough to see Yuji beat the poo poo out of Sukuna.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Genuinely why are you people so loving weird about Maki in this thread. Earlier we had someone arguing her getting scars was Gege removing her femininity. Please God be normal about women. Saying that Maki hasn't had much of a role recently or that she got Toji's haircut isn't really comparable to a weird screed about femininity though? Like, I don't even agree because Maki has been a character that's been kept in the loop since the whole Gojo fight, but I can see where that comes from.
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Electric Phantasm posted:One thing probably not helping the new guys is that most of them are now gone too I think all that's left is Takaba, Hakari, and Higuruma and his chance of survival is looking real low right now Uro is still alive.
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:Saying that Maki hasn't had much of a role recently or that she got Toji's haircut isn't really comparable to a weird screed about femininity though? Like the post you quoted has the full quote that they edited as I posted.
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This is maybe being overly generous but I think there's a slight difference between "Maki became a man because she cut her hair" and "Maki became a specific man (Toji)"
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mycot posted:This is maybe being overly generous but I think there's a slight difference between "Maki became a man because she cut her hair" and "Maki became a specific man (Toji)" Well if they had said that maybe you could look it at that way. You shouldn't but still they didn't say that. They she was a man because she got his hair cut, not because she was thematically linked to toji. Like it had nothing to do with writing the loser said "He gave her that haircut cause he just wanted to draw dudes". You don't have to hunt for some excuse by adding in words to what was said. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Dec 1, 2023 |
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I thought the older post you're referencing mentioned becoming Toji but tbh I can't be arsed to check
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Tosk posted:Gege wasn't 100% sure what he wanted to do
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mycot posted:I thought the older post you're referencing mentioned becoming Toji but tbh I can't be arsed to check I mean that's still a stupid argument because nothing about Toji is really defined by his masculinity especially nothing that Maki has that overlaps with him (Their powers and the fact that they also hate the rear end in a top hat family a subset of the cast comes from and also hates). Trying to use that thematic link to say it's an example of the writer failing a female character because it "turns her into a male character" even as a specific male character is dumb. Especially since they're very much still different people.with different motivations and goals and personalities And it still reeks of some loser being mad she's a little more butch now.
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Isn't Sukuna still missing one of his fingers?I think Gojo mentioned he had discovered one at some point, and I'm thinking it's gonna somehow be key in defeating Sukuna. Maybe Nobara uses it to hammer his soul, or Yuji eats it to get a power up. I have to think up stuff like this because even with full chapters planning and rules lawyering (this time literally!) techniques and situations, they are still missing a big breakthrough to actually win.
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Tosk posted:all this to say, maybe Gege wasn't 100% sure what he wanted to do with her as a character after Shibuya. It wouldn't really surprise me if the initial thought was something like: later on I pull out her technique in a clutch moment against Sukuna when everyone is super sure she's dead, but now we're years and years beyond that and it doesn't feel like the right plot beat anymore. It feels like he wasn't sure about what to do with a large part of the cast. For instance, during the Goodwill event we're shown Kamo as a Somewhat Serious Deal and Todo as a Big Deal. Later, in Shibuya, Mei Mei and Kusakabe, too. In the latest chapter, Kamo goes straight to the point: he's outclassed and there's no point in him being there anymore. Kusakabe doubles down: either you have a deathwish, can use RCT, or you can only offer support. Hakari and Yuta are complete monsters compared to the other students; Maki got to monster status through a specific personal ordeal and was marked for heavenly restriction anyway; anyone else we got to know until Shibuya was fundamentally unable to do anything in the current scenario. Panda, Inumaki, Kirara, Ino, they're all there in the classroom shot; only Yuji, Higuruma, Yuta, Hakari and Maki (well, Takaba and Gojo too) would've been going to see action. IMHO this kinda checks out with editors wanting a more canonical story and Gege going off the rails as soon as he could.
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I ultimately don't think we needed the sumo wrestler or the blind swordsman because Gege could have just said that after Mai passed away freeing up Maki's side of the heavenly restriction, she fully awakened to the same kind of power that Toji had. On top of having a round 2 with Naoya, who is himself incredibly bland as an antagonist it made the 5 or so chapters of Kamo and Maki fighting him a slog even on the re-read. Just have maki's mother be an incredibly weak sorceror but still capable of using cursed energy and move on. She already demonstrated crazy perception by noticing how many movements a guy is making within the span of a single second I could have assumed she could read the flow of the air and poo poo later on.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Uro is still alive. Thought she got sliced up with Ryu, but I guess she got the hell out there when Sukuna dropped down. Brought To You By posted:I ultimately don't think we needed the sumo wrestler or the blind swordsman wrong
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Maki will be fine so long as Yuta breathes because Panda told her she still has a chance and who in this fuckin thread wants to be stupid enough to challenge Panda? I wish Panda would be my wingman.
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Electric Phantasm posted:Thought she got sliced up with Ryu, but I guess she got the hell out there when Sukuna dropped down. Yeah she actually knows Sukuna so unlike Ryu didn't go and confront him.
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Brought To You By posted:I ultimately don't think we needed the sumo wrestler or the blind swordsman
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Brought To You By posted:I ultimately don't think we needed the sumo wrestler or the blind swordsman because Gege could have just said that after Mai passed away freeing up Maki's side of the heavenly restriction, she fully awakened to the same kind of power that Toji had. On top of having a round 2 with Naoya, who is himself incredibly bland as an antagonist it made the 5 or so chapters of Kamo and Maki fighting him a slog even on the re-read. Just have maki's mother be an incredibly weak sorceror but still capable of using cursed energy and move on. She already demonstrated crazy perception by noticing how many movements a guy is making within the span of a single second I could have assumed she could read the flow of the air and poo poo later on. You say Naoya is bland, but he weirdly enough ranked really high in the popularity polls, so I don't think the reader's agree with you. I personally really liked he came back for round 2, it really gave Maki the chance to crush that little shitheel and grind him under her boot. He's just so great at being awful on every level, he really works as an antagonist for me because at no point are you ever going to think he has a good point or is likable. But also you're just plain wrong about the sumo and sword guy, they were such great additions and i want more of them.
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Asuron posted:But also you're just plain wrong about the sumo and sword guy who?? literally don't know them wish that old fucker who had a guitar for two secs would come back
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Pootybutt posted:who?? literally don't know them He did he was helping Gojo.
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Also TCB for new chapter. https://tcbscans.com/chapters/7557/jujutsu-kaisen-chapter-244?date=1-12-2023-16
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I edited my post after I realized it would come off as weird and sexist, not my intention. Gege clearly really liked Toji and probably regrets writing him off so soon so it sometimes feels like he’s using Maki as a substitute. Her awakening was literally accompanied by a line comparing her to Toji, not to mention the multiple side-by-side panels of the two. It was a joke in bad taste. Maki is actually my favourite character in the series, I even bought a bootleg weeb shirt with her on it.
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honestly one of the funniest chapters of a manga I've read
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Asuron posted:You say Naoya is bland, but he weirdly enough ranked really high in the popularity polls, so I don't think the reader's agree with you. quote:I personally really liked he came back for round 2, it really gave Maki the chance to crush that little shitheel and grind him under her boot. He's just so great at being awful on every level, he really works as an antagonist for me because at no point are you ever going to think he has a good point or is likable. Personally I didn't need him to get beat down a 2nd time because being stabbed to death by Maki's mother was the perfect capstone to his pathetic existence to the incredibly toxic environment the Zennin family fostered. quote:But also you're just plain wrong about the sumo and sword guy, they were such great additions and i want more of them.
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