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ThatBasqueGuy posted:That's how they hunted though
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On my reread and I’m up to Fishman Island and would like to affirm that Fisher Tiger rules and his “Frog? No. Hippo.” shirt is the best shirt in the entire series.
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ThingOne posted:In a single chapter Gyogyo and the rest of Bonney's crew became some of my favorite characters. They sailed into the teeth of the New World just to help a little girl find her dad. 
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tbp posted:but, is it? we've just had in this arc vegapunk suggest that devil fruits are Dreams Made Physical, in the last arc we had luffy turn into ImaginationMan and half a dozen dinosaurs pulling off techniques that make no actual sense but they think they can do them so they can. Now I'm expecting the revelation after Luffy beats Imu that the whole world is a dream a la Link's Awakening and only those with the strongest will can make their personal dream of the world manifest to out-dream Imu's nightmare.
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Teriyaki Koinku posted:Now I'm expecting the revelation after Luffy beats Imu that the whole world is a dream a la Link's Awakening and only those with the strongest will can make their personal dream of the world manifest to out-dream Imu's nightmare. Isn't that just the plot of Film Red?
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DizzyBum posted:Me reading chapter 1: lmao
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ThingOne posted:In a single chapter Gyogyo and the rest of Bonney's crew became some of my favorite characters. They sailed into the teeth of the New World just to help a little girl find her dad. They lasted all of five minutes there, but yeah they're awesome for sticking by Bonney regardless.
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Dec 8, 2023 17:10
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jassa posted:They lasted all of five minutes there, but yeah they're awesome for sticking by Bonney regardless. tbf they ran into off-screen Blackbeard; nobody can survive that.
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DizzyBum posted:Me reading chapter 1: last line should be thread title once its unspoiled
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jassa posted:They lasted all of five minutes there, but yeah they're awesome for sticking by Bonney regardless.
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the moment that made me love bonney the most was when she saw saturn for 0.1 seconds and didn't bother with any sort of taunting or grandstanding she just loving jumped him and stabbed his rear end. that owned
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Dec 8, 2023 20:36
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when we return to the present day i want saturn to get hit so hard that not even his shadow is left
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tbp posted:the moment that made me love bonney the most was when she saw saturn for 0.1 seconds and didn't bother with any sort of taunting or grandstanding she just loving jumped him and stabbed his rear end. that owned
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Oxxidation posted:when we return to the present day i want saturn to get hit so hard that not even his shadow is left My question is do Saturn and the others know about her Devil Fruit potential or do they still assume she's just a helpless girl? Vegapunk doesn't seem to know, so the others probably don't either. It'd be really great for us to come out of the flashback only for Bonney to blindside everyone with her Nika-ish distorted future power. Also yeah, I'm definitely a Bonney/Kuma stan after this flashback.
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Y'know, now that the vaguer and more mysterious parts of One Piece's background and setting are becoming more central to the story i'm beginning to realise I don't actually care about them very much. Flashback has still been solid and all but the more focus we get on like "Hey, people know about that Rubber God Nika and his legend has been an inspiration some real cool guys!" the more I realise I kinda preferred it as just something to read speculation about than something actually addressed centrally in the story.
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I hope Bonney gets a nice, fun rest of her childhood after this arc is over.
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Gyges posted:I hope Bonney gets a nice, fun rest of her childhood after this arc is over. 
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Y'know, now that the vaguer and more mysterious parts of One Piece's background and setting are becoming more central to the story i'm beginning to realise I don't actually care about them very much. Hate to break this to you brother, but if conclusions aren’t your thing you may want to stop reading.
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I like the Nika stuff becoming even more explicit because it means the “gently caress authoritarians” themes are getting even more explicit
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tbp posted:the moment that made me love bonney the most was when she saw saturn for 0.1 seconds and didn't bother with any sort of taunting or grandstanding she just loving jumped him and stabbed his rear end. that owned went so hard
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I have mixed feelings about the Nika stuff myself. The embodiment of freedom being a rubber cartoon man makes sense. But why is Nika also a sun god? Why do the Five Elder Stars suddenly start caring about Luffy’s Devil Fruit during the Wano arc, right around the time Who’s Who mentions both Nika and the Gum Gum Fruit in unrelated contexts, but in the same conversation? It just feels contrived. The proper place to introduce Nika, IMO, would have been back in the Amazon Lily arc, when Hancock explained the significance of the Sun Pirates’ tattoos.
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nika was first mentioned in skypiea, and was our only direct mention until wano. however, the flashbacks and things we have seen and been told are now recontextualizing various images and ideas that had been around longer. nika is a sun god because he will bring the dawn of liberation and freedom to a world cloaked in darkness. its symbolic at the very least, we do not know if it will be more literal than that and if it turns out it is, i am sure that there will be even more recontextualization of previous events.
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Silver2195 posted:I have mixed feelings about the Nika stuff myself. The embodiment of freedom being a rubber cartoon man makes sense. But why is Nika also a sun god? Why do the Five Elder Stars suddenly start caring about Luffy’s Devil Fruit during the Wano arc, right around the time Who’s Who mentions both Nika and the Gum Gum Fruit in unrelated contexts, but in the same conversation? It just feels contrived. The proper place to introduce Nika, IMO, would have been back in the Amazon Lily arc, when Hancock explained the significance of the Sun Pirates’ tattoos. I mean, Nika is a Sun God because people love worshipping the sun. Plus, the fruit is born from people's dreams and worship about Nika. So Nika doesn't have to make sense. People just prayed hard enough to bring their imaginations to life.
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Silver2195 posted:I have mixed feelings about the Nika stuff myself. The embodiment of freedom being a rubber cartoon man makes sense. But why is Nika also a sun god? Why do the Five Elder Stars suddenly start caring about Luffy’s Devil Fruit during the Wano arc, right around the time Who’s Who mentions both Nika and the Gum Gum Fruit in unrelated contexts, but in the same conversation? It just feels contrived. The proper place to introduce Nika, IMO, would have been back in the Amazon Lily arc, when Hancock explained the significance of the Sun Pirates’ tattoos. one of the many reasons one piece has maintained its popularity for as long as it has is that it doesnt waste your time with exposition that isnt going to be relevant for hundreds of chapters. its exposition is always to explain whats happening contemporaneously- if it happens to include a detail that doesnt make sense, or raises more questions, we assume that detail will be explained when it is relevant. all this to say that if you wrote one piece it would probably suck rear end
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Paper Lion posted:nika was first mentioned in skypiea, and was our only direct mention until wano. however, the flashbacks and things we have seen and been told are now recontextualizing various images and ideas that had been around longer. nika is a sun god because he will bring the dawn of liberation and freedom to a world cloaked in darkness. its symbolic at the very least, we do not know if it will be more literal than that and if it turns out it is, i am sure that there will be even more recontextualization of previous events. Also I think it makes a bit more sense post Imu reveal, we have an embodiment of oppressive darkness which we now know is challenged by the freedom of the sun. Plus so much of One Piece just revels in the freedom of an open sky and the sun above, the joy of One Piece is in the sunny days over glorious blue.
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The sun has lots of symbology that would tie into a "revolutionary" God of freedom. Driving away the darkness, cleansing fire, new beginnings, light of truth, positivity, etc.
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Kart Barfunkel posted:Hate to break this to you brother, but if conclusions aren’t your thing you may want to stop reading. I just think this particular part of the story isn’t very interesting
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scary ghost dog posted:one of the many reasons one piece has maintained its popularity for as long as it has is that it doesnt waste your time with exposition that isnt going to be relevant for hundreds of chapters. its exposition is always to explain whats happening contemporaneously- if it happens to include a detail that doesnt make sense, or raises more questions, we assume that detail will be explained when it is relevant. all this to say that if you wrote one piece it would probably suck rear end It wouldn't have been that much exposition, just one more sentence of dialogue from Hancock.
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Oda just probably didn’t have the whole thing ironed out until recently.
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whats the first chapter where “nika” was used as the sound effect for luffy smiling
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To be clear, I think Oda is usually pretty good at setting things up in advance. For example, Haki was first mentioned by Blackbeard back in Jaya, Blackbeard himself was first mentioned back in Drum Kingdom, and Doflamingo and Kuma were also introduced back in Jaya. I just think Oda didn't do as good a job setting up Nika specifically.
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people dont talk about nika because theres a concerted government plot hundreds of years old to suppress information about him. the only reason we heard the name in skypiea is because they arent subject to the world government. the next time we heard it was in the context of us being told "yeah some guy in prison mentioned it but said to stay hush hush, then was instantly disappeared the next day." there was simply never going to be a lore dump about this because it would not make sense for many people to even know the name nika, let alone know anything about nika
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One of the biggest elements of the background plot has been a period of time that was literally erased from known history, of course some stuff is gonna seem like it just comes out
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Arguably, the first reference to Nika is the sun emblazoned on Hachi and other Fishman in Arlong Park. Whether it was actually outlined as referring to freedom/Nika at the time is up to your interpretation, but my guess is that Nika/Joyboy has always been part of the outline since Oda first decided what the One Piece is.
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Paper Lion posted:nika was first mentioned in skypiea, and was our only direct mention until wano. Nika wasn’t mentioned by name in Skypeia, although there were a couple references to a “sun god” of some sort. Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Dec 9, 2023 |
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Silver2195 posted:I have mixed feelings about the Nika stuff myself. The embodiment of freedom being a rubber cartoon man makes sense. But why is Nika also a sun god?
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the sun has also been drawn to closely resemble the straw hat many, many, many times as well
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Nika is definitely an outlier in how Oda has done foreshadowing and world building this far in the series. The general method is that they will first drop exposition with a big signpost that 'This Thing is Important' and then gradually peel back the layers and give us more insight into Why This Thing is Important. Examples include the Will of D, first mentioned by Kureha (along with Roger's real name reveal) long long before the concept of D being the enemy of the Celestial Dragons and Imu, and the God Valley incident, first told to us in a briefing at Marine HQ and with flashbacks gradually revealing more and more of what happened. Nika's association with Sun Gods, the Freedom Fruit, etc was all exposited by who's Who and the Gorosei in pretty much the same arc it actually happened in. I guess the earlier mentions of Joyboy counts but again it was a very sudden exposition dump to connect that with Gear 5
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There's some foreshadowing to Nika as an idea, but its direct connection to the gum-gum fruit was a last minute decision I think. The Who's Who backstory which tries to justify the twist comes extremely late (couldn't a goon in a previous arc have had that backstory if the decision was made earlier?) and even contradicts Who's Who's earlier characterisation within Wano (there's a panel where he sees Luffy, clearly doesn't care and turns away). And the idea that the gorosei knew all along makes the WG's response to Luffy throughout the series very weird (and also why would they be surprised to learn the gum-gum fruit has another name if that's true?).
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