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zoux posted:When, if ever, has the French navy been preeminent? Franco-Thai war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ko_Chang
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BalloonFish posted:That's how good a skilled carpenter could be - working alone, with basic tools on pack ice at the bottom of the world, McNish was confident he could build a seaworthy ship to carry 30 men out of the wreckage of another ship. I'm begging you for some reading recommendations, I love the Aubrey Maturin books and would welcome an overview of Age of Sail life. I have "A Sea of Words".
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I am not a boat-person, but I recently read The Wager and it's pretty readable at least. Also, because it's this thread, someone will probably swoop in very soon to tell us how accurate it is.
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That book was really interesting. Grann's a good writer.
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Xiahou Dun posted:I am not a boat-person, but I recently read The Wager and it's pretty readable at least. what's it about?
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HMS Wager which underwent a mutiny in 1741. The big dog actually wrote a fictionalized account of it prior to the A/M books. Most harrowing accounts of shipwreck/age of sail disaster, in my opinion, are Essex and HMS Terror. Terror is so harrowing that in Simmons' fictional account the giant spectral polar bear takes a back seat to just the reality of being iced in in the Arctic for two consecutive winters, freezing, starving, and dying of lead poisoning zoux fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Dec 12, 2023 |
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zoux posted:HMS Wager which underwent a mutiny in 1741. From the Wikipedia article wikipedia posted:In the Royal Navy of 1741, officers' commissions were valid only for the ship to which they had been appointed; thus the loss of the ship implied the loss of any official authority. Seamen ceased to be paid on the loss of their ship. After the wreck of Wager, these factors, combined with terrible conditions and murderous in-fighting between officers and men, caused discipline to break down. 
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And they were stranded in a sad little clump of islands just off of Patagonia. It was 100% not a good time.
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Xiahou Dun posted:And they were stranded in a sad little clump of islands just off of Patagonia. Ship disaster stories from the age of sail are the worst thing ever, just endless depredations suffered in a space where men were all but stacked atop one another. While sailing on a tall ship seems like it would be a grand adventure, the reality of it sounds like an absolute nightmare.
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Yyyuuuuuup. A common criticism of The Terror is that the setting is scary enough, the demon polar bear is kind of a hat on a hat.
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I do highly recommend the AMC miniseries, which brings back MY Caesar and Brutus by casting Ciaran Hinds as Frazier and Tobias Menzies as Fitzjames, and the GOAT Jared Harris is astonishing as Crozier. Great cast from top to bottom, absolutely gorgeously shot.
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zoux posted:Ship disaster stories from the age of sail are the worst thing ever, just endless depredations suffered in a space where men were all but stacked atop one another. While sailing on a tall ship seems like it would be a grand adventure, the reality of it sounds like an absolute nightmare. And then there's the cannibalism.
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That's the custom anyway
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zoux posted:That's the custom anyway
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Wreck of the Batavia was a pretty gripping book as well, although most of the bad stuff happened after the shipwreck as well.
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One of the few things you can give the English is their ability to name ships and operations. Can't see the USN naming a ship the Erebus or the Terror
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Gaius Marius posted:One of the few things you can give the English is their ability to name ships and operations. Can't see the USN naming a ship the Erebus or the Terror no kidding. and one of their ships gave rise to a nomenclature of a whole class of fighting ships. can you think of a much cooler ship class name than "dreadnought"?
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Gaius Marius posted:One of the few things you can give the English is their ability to name ships and operations. Can't see the USN naming a ship the Erebus or the Terror No we get the USS Representative Who Sponsored the Funding French ship names are insanely threatening. One of their boomers is named Reckless
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zoux posted:No we get the USS Representative Who Sponsored the Funding The british navy captured a French ship called Brave and renamed it the HMS Arrogant.
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:no kidding. and one of their ships gave rise to a nomenclature of a whole class of fighting ships. can you think of a much cooler ship class name than "dreadnought"? yes quote:In Greek mythology, Erebus (/ˈɛrəbəs/;[1] Ancient Greek: Ἔρεβος, romanized: Érebos, lit. '"darkness, gloom"'),[2] or Erebos, is the personification of darkness. In Hesiod's Theogony, he is the offspring of Chaos, and the father of Aether and Hemera (Day) by Nyx (Night); in other Greek cosmogonies, he is the father of Aether, Eros, and Metis, or the first ruler of the gods. In genealogies given by Roman authors, he begets a large progeny of personifications upon Nox (the Roman equivalent of Nyx), while in an Orphic theogony he is the offspring of Chronos (Time). The name "Erebus" is also used to refer either to the darkness of the Underworld, the Underworld itself, or the region through which souls pass to reach Hades, and can sometimes be used as a synonym for Tartarus or Hades.  and let's never pass an opportunity to mention the post-WW2 Gay class fast patrol boats, of which WW2 motor gun boats Gay Viking and Gay Corsair were not part of.
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zoux posted:No we get the USS Representative Who Sponsored the Funding
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Shout out to the HMS Pickle.
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zoux posted:French ship names are insanely threatening. One of their boomers is named Reckless Ha ha ha I didn't know this and it fuckin' rules.
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It always hits me how even on successful voyages how many of the crew just drop dead before getting home
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Gaius Marius posted:Can't see the USN naming a ship the Erebus or the Terror Counterpoint: The USN had a ship armed with a dynamite gun named USS Vesuvius. Edit:  Dynamite guns. Cessna fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Dec 12, 2023 |
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gohuskies posted:Ha ha ha I didn't know this and it fuckin' rules. French nuclear doctrine is "We have enough to kill you if you even think about it"
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zoux posted:French nuclear doctrine is "We have enough to kill you if you even think about it"
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zoux posted:No we get the USS Representative Who Sponsored the Funding The ballistic missile sub HMS Vengeance is a bit on the nose, though HMS Dragon is probably the best names ship currently in the Royal Navy
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Gaius Marius posted:One of the few things you can give the English is their ability to name ships and operations. Can't see the USN naming a ship the Erebus or the Terror They did.
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Nessus posted:France is not a prize worth eighty million dead Don’t tell that to Edward III!
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British warships may have intimidating names, but on the civilian side, you can’t match their wry wit and penchant for irony https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raffles_v_Wichelhaus quote:The contract specified that the cotton would be arriving in Liverpool on the ship Peerless from Bombay ("to arrive ex Peerless from Bombay").
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zoux posted:Ship disaster stories from the age of sail are the worst thing ever, just endless depredations suffered in a space where men were all but stacked atop one another. While sailing on a tall ship seems like it would be a grand adventure, the reality of it sounds like an absolute nightmare. And that's tuning into the story in the middle. Something like 60% of the crew on Anson's entire expedition were dead before Wager even hit the rocks.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:no kidding. and one of their ships gave rise to a nomenclature of a whole class of fighting ships. can you think of a much cooler ship class name than "dreadnought"? HMS YOLO
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Xiahou Dun posted:Shout out to the HMS Pickle. Never mind the Pickle. There have been either four or five HMS Cockchafers, depending on whether you count the hired armed lugger (1794-1801) as HMS or not. Wikipedia posted:In March 1797 Cockchafer captured Two Friends.[7]
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sebmojo posted:HMS YOLO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Yolo
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Gaius Marius posted:Can't see the USN naming a ship the Erebus or the Terror On the other hand, during WW2, Japan named most of their ships after cities, landmarks, and mythical concepts. Quite a lot of them were sunk by submarines named after random fish.
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Nessus posted:France is not a prize worth eighty million dead Paris is well worth a massacre
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Dopilsya posted:Paris is well worth a massacre The Red Army battles its way through Europe at immense cost, only to have a breakdown when they get to Paris and realise it's a dirty shithole
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