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haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
You should be able to get to the radiator's shutoff valve, probably on the other side. This will make it stop doing that for now and also make your room cold. For a permanent solution, call someone

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FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







Replacing the deck boards on my deck and the joists underneath look like this. No idea how old this is.



They seem sound, and a contractor who’s done a lot of good work for me has said he thinks everything’s good. Just wanted a goon opinion.

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 29, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


FizFashizzle posted:

Replacing the deck boards on my deck and the joists underneath look like this. No idea how old this is.



They seem sound, and a contractor who’s done a lot of good work for me has said he thinks everything’s good. Just wanted a goon opinion.

Yep, they're joists.

Inzombiac
Mar 19, 2007

PARTY ALL NIGHT

EAT BRAINS ALL DAY


They look serviceable to me. Maybe not good for 20 years but should be fine for now.

Inzombiac
Mar 19, 2007

PARTY ALL NIGHT

EAT BRAINS ALL DAY


Ask me about my hoooooooole

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Kaiser Schnitzel posted:

Yep, they're joists.

Jenkl
Aug 5, 2008

This post needs at least three times more shit!

FizFashizzle posted:

Replacing the deck boards on my deck and the joists underneath look like this. No idea how old this is.



They seem sound, and a contractor who’s done a lot of good work for me has said he thinks everything’s good. Just wanted a goon opinion.

They look fine. Just a bit weathered from being outside where they belong.

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
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FizFashizzle posted:

Replacing the deck boards on my deck and the joists underneath look like this. No idea how old this is.



They seem sound, and a contractor who’s done a lot of good work for me has said he thinks everything’s good. Just wanted a goon opinion.

For the record, a rotten joist looks like this:



Basically, the wood just starts falling apart. Substantial parts of the wood will be soft and easily removable with your fingers. Your joists look sound: all the wood's still there and in the original shape, and there's no big cracks.

jetz0r
May 10, 2003

Tomorrow, our nation will sit on the throne of the world. This is not a figment of the imagination, but a fact. Tomorrow we will lead the world, Allah willing.



Inzombiac posted:

Ask me about my hoooooooole


hey buddy, wanna tell me about your hole?

Inzombiac
Mar 19, 2007

PARTY ALL NIGHT

EAT BRAINS ALL DAY


jetz0r posted:

hey buddy, wanna tell me about your hole?

It's loving big, mate.

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe




I understand that you have a void you're just bursting to elaborate on

Shit Fuckasaurus
Oct 14, 2005

i think right angles might be an abomination against nature you guys
Lipstick Apathy
I've been running through the house patching plaster and I've come upon this... damage.



This is in a room I know hasn't been refinished in at least 5 years, and I don't believe these cracks were here before (though admittedly that means gently caress-all with my brain). Underneath the bit I can pull the plaster off is some wood.



It's gray as poo poo but doesn't look water-damaged or feel soft, but the plaster has no lathe and nothing to hold it on. What's the best approach for making this wall look not like poo poo?

Don't assume any of this was done the right way, as this is our "cowboy mudroom" which was built from scraps and bullshit best we can tell.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

poo poo Fuckasaurus posted:

It's gray as poo poo but doesn't look water-damaged

I can see water damage in both of your pictures. You need to stop the water intrusion first and that is going to include pull ing all of the damaged plaster off the wall.

If this is actually plaster I really want to see what's higher over that window because it looks like somebody just skim coated framing lumber.

E: To be clear, these are all water damage patterns:



And if this isn't water damage, exactly what liquid is it?



Once that's done the most likely easiest path is to then sheetrock the wall after ensuring it's framed properly and will remain dry.

Motronic fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Dec 12, 2023

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



poo poo Fuckasaurus posted:

I've been running through the house patching plaster and I've come upon this... damage.

(Water damage)

I’m guessing that there’s a room with a window, directly above this window

Shit Fuckasaurus
Oct 14, 2005

i think right angles might be an abomination against nature you guys
Lipstick Apathy
No room above this room, just a roof which was replaced 3 years ago. I do see what you're talking about in terms of the water damage, ill grab a contractor to take a look I guess. This house is going to be sold in a few months and I don't want to be accused of any PHO bullshit.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

PainterofCrap posted:

I’m guessing that there’s a room with a window, directly above this window

Based on "cowboy mudroom" I'm betting it's a shed roof room hanging off the house and what's above that window is a load bearing header across the outside span and the water is a roof leak.

Shit Fuckasaurus
Oct 14, 2005

i think right angles might be an abomination against nature you guys
Lipstick Apathy

Motronic posted:

Based on "cowboy mudroom" I'm betting it's a shed roof room hanging off the house and what's above that window is a load bearing header across the outside span and the water is a roof leak.

This is quite possibly the case, yeah. Best we can tell the cowboy mudroom was added in the late 70s when the open air carport was replaced with an enclosed garage. Without it there would be a 6 foot gap between the house and garage, and the mudroom fills that space plus a little extra.

The former exterior wall is still in place and still supports the roof, but it's fully enclosed in drywall. We're having an inspector out soon to see what needs addressed prior to the sale.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

poo poo Fuckasaurus posted:

This is quite possibly the case, yeah. Best we can tell the cowboy mudroom was added in the late 70s when the open air carport was replaced with an enclosed garage. Without it there would be a 6 foot gap between the house and garage, and the mudroom fills that space plus a little extra.

The former exterior wall is still in place and still supports the roof, but it's fully enclosed in drywall. We're having an inspector out soon to see what needs addressed prior to the sale.

Well, if that damage wasn't there "before" (does that mean before today, before 3 years ago when you say the roof was replaced or something in between) what has happened in the meantime? Because it looks to me like a 2x8 header over that window is, or at least was soaked with water to cause that damage. It may be dry now.....but I guess the key is did this damage happen before or after the roof was put on?

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




The 900w microwave doesnt trip the breaker with the stove fan on and is much quieter, better proportioned etc, while still fitting a 10" plate so problem solved. Long live the 1920s wiring! 100 years of winning!

devicenull
May 30, 2007

Grimey Drawer

Inzombiac posted:

Ask me about my hoooooooole


What color is the sunken tub you're putting in?

Shit Fuckasaurus
Oct 14, 2005

i think right angles might be an abomination against nature you guys
Lipstick Apathy

Motronic posted:

Well, if that damage wasn't there "before" (does that mean before today, before 3 years ago when you say the roof was replaced or something in between) what has happened in the meantime? Because it looks to me like a 2x8 header over that window is, or at least was soaked with water to cause that damage. It may be dry now.....but I guess the key is did this damage happen before or after the roof was put on?

Honestly I don't know what the timeline was for the damage. Before the owner passed the mudroom was on The List of things to get fixed, but it may or may not have had anything to do with this particular spot as the room is constructed from scraps and has re-used windows and doors, so there are other reasons it could have been on The List.

I've been dealing with projects in priority order to sell the house, and this was not a priority so I didn't even look at it to my memory. It's also in a weird corner out of the way of the rest of the house. I only noticed the damage on Friday when I was cleaning the exterior windows, and by that point it was already like this and has not degraded nor dampened despite somewhat heavy rain over the weekend (this is Florida so you'd probably consider it a monsoon). Makes me feel like it might be old damage but who knows.

As it is I have two professionals (inspector and a carpenter) I can grab to look at this over the next week so I figure that's the path forward.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

poo poo Fuckasaurus posted:

by that point it was already like this and has not degraded nor dampened despite somewhat heavy rain over the weekend (this is Florida so you'd probably consider it a monsoon). Makes me feel like it might be old damage but who knows.

That sounds promising that it is in fact old damage that can be repaired and stay repaired.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006
If you're selling it stop the leak, dry the wood, and slap some drywall on it, or just paint it once dry. Don't worry about being the previous owner because who cares it's not your problem anymore. :v:

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
Seems simple so I'll just ask here but I went to switch the direction of a hampton bay brand fan for winter weather. Anyway, I went looking for the little switch that newer fans tend to have in immediate view and it didn't seem to have one, rather it had this really weird brass thing that I guess was the cover for a much smaller little black plastic switch inside. So I went to mess with it but there was no real tactile feedback like you'd expect, the little black switch just kinda gets moved around and doesn't obviously "click" into place or anything satisfying like that and now also the fan doesn't work at all which was not my intention. I can't work on it tonight but I assume it's screwed since it's an old fan at my parents place and isn't in amazing shape but some of their other fans are 30 years old and working great so. I wish I didn't mess with it, it's not like it's even in a commonly used room

Inzombiac
Mar 19, 2007

PARTY ALL NIGHT

EAT BRAINS ALL DAY


devicenull posted:

What color is the sunken tub you're putting in?

I wish, that would be dope.
Now that the new pipe is diverted/installed, I have to figure out if I want to retile just that part (with a new pattern, would look pretty funky) or redo all the tile, which would suck but be nice and uniform.

Question about outlets:
Somehow the contractors broke an outlet (the breaker is on now and it doesn't supply power) how safe is it to replace one yourself without any experience?

I'm reasonably handy but have never done electric work in my life.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Get a circuit tester and see if the wires inside the junction box behind the outlet are energized when the breaker is on (turn off the breaker while getting into the box, and putting everything back). If they are, and it's just the outlet that's broken, replacing it is pretty easy

If the breaker is on and the junction box is not receiving power, they broke a wire somewhere inside your wall. Call a professional

haveblue fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Dec 13, 2023

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

Inzombiac posted:

Question about outlets:
Somehow the contractors broke an outlet

They should be fixing this by hiring you an electrician. You have to trace the wire to the cut. I am presuming they either cut a wire or yanked it so hard it came loose somewhere.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
Might be worth asking, is there any way this outlet is downstream of a GFCI outlet?

Inzombiac
Mar 19, 2007

PARTY ALL NIGHT

EAT BRAINS ALL DAY


Slugworth posted:

Might be worth asking, is there any way this outlet is downstream of a GFCI outlet?

Not sure what downstream means in this context.

I can say that it is mere feet from the fuse box.

kid sinister
Nov 16, 2002
Umm, did you check if the breaker flipped?

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


Inzombiac posted:

Ask me about my hoooooooole


Oh, now you have somewhere to sweep all the dirt!



Seriously, though:
Plumbing? My condolences.

Inzombiac posted:

I wish, that would be dope.
Now that the new pipe is diverted/installed, I have to figure out if I want to retile just that part (with a new pattern, would look pretty funky) or redo all the tile, which would suck but be nice and uniform.

Ah, yes, plumbing.



Milo and POTUS posted:

Seems simple so I'll just ask here but I went to switch the direction of a hampton bay brand fan for winter weather. Anyway, I went looking for the little switch that newer fans tend to have in immediate view and it didn't seem to have one, rather it had this really weird brass thing that I guess was the cover for a much smaller little black plastic switch inside. So I went to mess with it but there was no real tactile feedback like you'd expect, the little black switch just kinda gets moved around and doesn't obviously "click" into place or anything satisfying like that and now also the fan doesn't work at all which was not my intention. I can't work on it tonight but I assume it's screwed since it's an old fan at my parents place and isn't in amazing shape but some of their other fans are 30 years old and working great so. I wish I didn't mess with it, it's not like it's even in a commonly used room

The newer fans I have (no chains, speed and light controlled by remote) have the switch in the open, bit on top of the motor housing. The older fans I had, had it on the side of the same housing that had the pull chains.
I'm not sure what you've got there, unfortunately.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



There is like half an inch of crystal clear water in my mother's basement. This hasn't happened in the forty years since the house was built. It's concrete block with a cement floor that has never been more than vaguely damp enough to make wallpaper peel over the years.

There are no crazy numbers on the water meter. It has an extra indicator for small amounts and that's not moving. Seeing no leaks on the exposed pipes, incoming or outgoing. All walls are dry as far as we can tell apart from the lowest inch. We're having the wettest year on record here as far as weather is concerned. Groundwater levels have crept up to record levels. I'm assuming it's just slowly seeping up through the floor.

Naively, some sort of shop vac was bought to schlorp up the water. A good 200L were removed. And the water keeps coming back to that same level over the course of 24-48 hours.

My mother is very much of the idea, or wants to be, that she needs to keep removing the water and that on some unspecified day this will stop. It doesn't seem sustainable.

I've been looking at automatic pumps now to get through the winter at least, but it's not like there's a single deepest point where all the water pools.

Not sure where to go from here, or if there are logical steps that were skipped. If some specialist needs to come, I'm not even sure what kind of guy we need.

corgski
Feb 6, 2007

Silly goose, you're here forever.

At minimum, you need to hire someone to dig a sump and install a sump pump as well as french drains to direct the water to the sump. Ideally you'd add exterior waterproofing to stop the water from coming through the block in the first place because that is far superior, but that's expensive and requires major excavation, and you should still have a sump anyway. Call around for foundation contractors, they'll know who does it well. Don't go with any waterproofing company that advertises on TV or radio.

corgski fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Dec 14, 2023

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

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As a non-expert, it sounds to me like the water table has risen to be half an inch above your basement floor, and there's no existing active system (i.e. a French drain and sump pump) for draining the water elsewhere. This is going to continue to be a problem until you get such a system, or things dry out enough that the water table lowers below your basement floor again. The shop vac might be a temporary solution. I dunno how much wear and tear you put on one by using it to move water around, but it's probably a lot.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

Flipperwaldt posted:

Not sure where to go from here, or if there are logical steps that were skipped. If some specialist needs to come, I'm not even sure what kind of guy we need.

On the specialist side, in the northeast USA, that kind of thing is handled by "foundation experts" and "basement waterproofers". This sounds like a situation where they probably need to be consulted.

The general idea and order of progression appears to be roughly called out here: https://www.therealsealllc.com/blog/how-to-stop-water-from-coming-up-through-the-basement-floor/

It doesn't sound like a clearwater sewer backup from the heavy rain, since it doesn't sound like it's coming from a defined pipe. It also doesn't sound like this is a problem that could be solved with gutters / gutter extensions. It also doesn't sound like this is just a shitload of within-basement condensation. So, this sounds foundational, so it's time for a Foundation Guy to come out and see what they can see. Might need a drain tile / sump pump / something installed.

Edit: Basically, agreeing with TMA.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



Yeah, I forgot to say, this is a terraced house, directly against the street, that just so happens to have the deepest basement in the neighborhood I'm told. No solution that requires digging around the outside seems remotely feasible. I'm now furiously googling what a sump is and what french drains are and it seems invasive, but I trust the consensus here. I'll be looking up what a foundation expert is called in Dutch. Thanks for your perspectives.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

Basically you dig a hole in your basement, with gutters to carry water into it from the other areas. Then you put a pump in there and pump the water out to somewhere it will go away. If it works this means you just have some water in the hole that is being regularly/continually removed instead of standing water all over the place.

Was the basement finished? Wallpaper sounds like it was. You’ll want to make sure you know want damage the standing water may have done and remove anything that will get moldy.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Simply move your house uphill.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



Ashcans posted:

Basically you dig a hole in your basement, with gutters to carry water into it from the other areas. Then you put a pump in there and pump the water out to somewhere it will go away. If it works this means you just have some water in the hole that is being regularly/continually removed instead of standing water all over the place.

Was the basement finished? Wallpaper sounds like it was. You’ll want to make sure you know want damage the standing water may have done and remove anything that will get moldy.
No, the wallpaper is just in the open staircase, as a visual extension of the actual finished space on the ground floor. The rest of the basement isn't finished, just the bare concrete blockwork. I'll keep an eye on it. We can certainly easily cut some of it away, but at this point the paper isn't wet and hasn't become wet in the flooding. The bottom has just peeled away a bit due to minor accumulated efflorescence underneath it over the last thirty years.

I have found some "kelderspecialisten" and "vochtexperts" that have floor drainage in their list of possible solutions, which looks on the pictures like the thing you're talking about, with the hole and the pump and poo poo.

She's been looking to move house for a while now. 70+ living alone doesn't need four bedrooms. I don't envy the decision to spend the proper money on this.

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TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

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Do you necessarily have to fix this? If it's a rare enough issue, I'd be considering whether I can fob it off on the next owner. Like, this isn't a structural defect, right? The water should go away once the rest of the neighborhood has a chance to dry out a bit. Obviously it's the correct thing to do, long-term, but my understanding was that basements flooding is a semi-common event in many parts of the world, and only really needs to be fixed if it's causing structural or mold issues, or if there's stuff in the basement that you don't want getting wet.

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