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FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

Grace Baiting posted:

grace baiting effortlessly fails to claim the quad
shameful

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rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple on pizzadog derangement syndrome

Shaggar posted:

i think this is more arbitrary distinction to try to force a line between old internet and post-web 2.0 internet when there is no real difference, just more people.

the people on something awful are the product. they are the content. just because you dont follow them doesnt mean you're not here for the the people same as you are on other social networks.

you're an arbitrary distinction t:mad:

Grace Baiting
Jul 20, 2012

Audi famam illius;
Cucurrit quaeque
Tetigit destruens.



FMguru posted:

shameful

yeah :sigh:

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

ERM... Actually I have stellar scores on the surveys, and every year students tell me that my classes are the best ones they’ve ever taken.

Shaggar posted:

i think this is more arbitrary distinction to try to force a line between old internet and post-web 2.0 internet when there is no real difference, just more people.

the people on something awful are the product. they are the content. just because you dont follow them doesnt mean you're not here for the the people same as you are on other social networks.

no, i think there's still generally a difference. there's overlap, of course, but to make it black and white:

on somethingawful i don't care what user is posting in the 3d printer thread today, because i care about 3d printers, not any specific user.

on twitter i don't care what ariana grande is posting about today, because i care about ariana grande, not any specific topic.

ADINSX
Sep 9, 2003

Wanna run with my crew huh? Rule cyberspace and crunch numbers like I do?

Shaggar posted:

i think this is more arbitrary distinction to try to force a line between old internet and post-web 2.0 internet when there is no real difference, just more people.

the people on something awful are the product. they are the content. just because you dont follow them doesnt mean you're not here for the the people same as you are on other social networks.

It seems like an important distinction to me. Reddit is way more popular than SA, and people probably make friends there, is it a social network? I would say no because the focus is on subreddits which are about specific topics, not people. I don't join reddit because my friends post there, I join it to look into things I'm interested in and maybe I make some friends while doing that but it wasn't the goal.

Facebook is/was ostensibly about keeping up with friends and family, and making plans, and sharing racists memes. It's also about relentlessly monetizing those interactions which change the experience

ADINSX
Sep 9, 2003

Wanna run with my crew huh? Rule cyberspace and crunch numbers like I do?

Twitter was interesting imo because you could do it either way. I never had any irl friends on Twitter, so I gravitated towards people posting about things I liked (comedy, computer stuff), so in that sense it was more like the forums if you just focused on those weird little communities, but plenty of people joined Twitter because their irl friends were there and used it like that

Grace Baiting
Jul 20, 2012

Audi famam illius;
Cucurrit quaeque
Tetigit destruens.



Shaggar posted:

algorithms are just one mechanism to try to get you to engage with other users' content, but its the engagement that matters to the network, not the algorithm.

you wouldn't be wrong to argue that these are all points along a single continuum, but also there is significant value in drawing a terminological distinctions between e.g. timestamp-sorted posts in manual curation of topics on the one hand, and algorithmic sorting and curation on the other hand. they incentivize and produce different behaviors in their participants. labeling all of this just "social networking" elides some rather salient differences between them

El Mero Mero
Oct 13, 2001

Sagebrush posted:

no, i think there's still generally a difference. there's overlap, of course, but to make it black and white:

on somethingawful i don't care what user is posting in the 3d printer thread today, because i care about 3d printers, not any specific user.


Sagebrush quoting Shaggar saying that nobody cares which user is posting is rich

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

can't add someone as a buddy if they don't have an account, can't see a feed of podts by your buddies

mystes posted:

that's very narrow. Wouldn't that exclude twitter as well?

following someone's account is the same thing

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


Salt Fish posted:

The first, and only, g+ post I made was "Hey check out this cool link: https://www.goatse.cx" and I didn't realize that it would automatically send it to everyone in my address book. I got a reply from my dad saying "[mom] DO NOT CLICK THAT!".

lmao

also wasn't g+ the one that exposed loads of affairs because it was like "hey check it out your husband is super connected to his secretary!"

ADINSX posted:

It seems like an important distinction to me. Reddit is way more popular than SA, and people probably make friends there, is it a social network? I would say no because the focus is on subreddits which are about specific topics, not people. I don't join reddit because my friends post there, I join it to look into things I'm interested in and maybe I make some friends while doing that but it wasn't the goal.


kind of hosed up to make friends in the sonic inflation pornography Reddit channel but hey it's the 2020s, you do you

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
i think this might actually be funnier than stadia itself was

Eeyo
Aug 29, 2004

why not just keep the website up forever? how much can hosting cost anyway

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

Eeyo posted:

why not just keep the website up forever? how much can hosting cost anyway

imagine the precedent this would set at *google* of all places

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


wait why does a web browser have the permissions necessary to push a firmware update to an attached USB device?

EIDE Van Hagar
Dec 8, 2000

Beep Boop

Shifty Pony posted:

wait why does a web browser have the permissions necessary to push a firmware update to an attached USB device?

the nreal glasses also did this iirc. firmware update via browser.

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem

Shifty Pony posted:

wait why does a web browser have the permissions necessary to push a firmware update to an attached USB device?

webusb allows a web page to request access to those things, it's up to the user if they want to give that access.

Progressive JPEG
Feb 19, 2003

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

imagine the precedent this would set at *google* of all places

i assume the only reason blogger still exists is that it had became some core infrastructure that it now can't easily be extricated from

mystes
May 31, 2006

Jabor posted:

webusb allows a web page to request access to those things, it's up to the user if they want to give that access.
Also I believe the device needs to have a device descriptor indicating that it supports webusb so it's not quite as insane from a security perspective as it sounds I guess

Progressive JPEG posted:

i assume the only reason blogger still exists is that it had became some core infrastructure that it now can't easily be extricated from
I think some google projects still have blogs using it (like the chrome os release notes site and project zero) and they don't really have anything to replace it with, so maybe that's why. Either that or it's been so thoroughly lost within google's organizational structure that they can't find it to shut it down.


It's really funny that they can't even keep the firmware update website up longer though. That really says a lot about google.

mystes fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Dec 19, 2023

Grace Baiting
Jul 20, 2012

Audi famam illius;
Cucurrit quaeque
Tetigit destruens.



Jabor posted:

webusb allows a web page to request access to those things, it's up to the user if they want to give that access.

google puttin their whole webusby into this effort

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

mystes posted:

Also I believe the device needs to have a device descriptor indicating that it supports webusb so it's not quite as insane from a security perspective as it sounds I guess

I think some google projects still have blogs using it (like the chrome os release notes site and project zero) and they don't really have anything to replace it with, so maybe that's why. Either that or it's been so thoroughly lost within google's organizational structure that they can't find it to shut it down.


It's really funny that they can't even keep the firmware update website up longer though. That really says a lot about google.

i wonder if it's a shame thing, like execs want this thing dead and gone as fast as possible since it's a big visible failure and they have smaller less visible failures to move on to

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


mystes posted:

Also I believe the device needs to have a device descriptor indicating that it supports webusb so it's not quite as insane from a security perspective as it sounds I guess

it still seems like it's only a matter of time before we learn that some intelligence agency has used it to push a persistent bootloader level rootkit to a keyboard or printer.

shackleford
Sep 4, 2006

well i was curious what wikipedia thought about the definition of social network and welp this article is a mess

quote:

The success of social networking services can be seen in their dominance in society today, with X (formerly Twitter) being referred to as "world town square"[by whom?]

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



tinder now has a $500/month add-on feature that lets you message people who didn't match with you, can't wait to see how this goes.

lomarf

in a well actually
Jan 26, 2011

dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme

Midjack posted:

tinder now has a $500/month add-on feature that lets you message people who didn't match with you, can't wait to see how this goes.

lomarf

:eyepop:

ADINSX
Sep 9, 2003

Wanna run with my crew huh? Rule cyberspace and crunch numbers like I do?

Midjack posted:

tinder now has a $500/month add-on feature that lets you message people who didn't match with you, can't wait to see how this goes.

lomarf

lol jesus; I saw some article (that I now can't find) that was talking about how expensive it's gotten to date, where if you want multiple apps with add ons you might be paying hundreds or even low thousands per month.

I figured the most expensive services are for the creeps

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
time to go back to the old town matchmaker

mystes
May 31, 2006

shackleford posted:

well i was curious what wikipedia thought about the definition of social network and welp this article is a mess
what I find mildly interesting is that the current version of the page gives the impression that "SNS" is commonly used as an abbreviation for "social networking service" in English, which is curious because SNS happens to be used that way as the most common term for social media in Japanese but I have never seen it used that way in English, but because the page has been edited so many times, it's actually hard to give a clear answer as to why the page is using that abbreviation.

In its latest incarnation, the abbreviation appears to have been helpfully added to the top of the page by someone who works as an SEO marketing consultant because they noticed it appeared below without definition. It seems like it was originally defined in its first usage on the page as an abbreviation of "social networking site" within a quote from some sort of market research report on social networking sites (so the other instances of SNS were probably meant to mean "social networking site" rather than "social networking service" and were not intended to imply that SNS is a commonly understood abbreviation), but that definition was later removed

A lot of wikipedia pages have a weird vibe as if they were written by chatgpt but apparently in reality just because they have been produced by a series of incremental changes by humans that don't really take overall consistency into account

mystes fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Dec 19, 2023

Internet Janitor
May 17, 2008

"That isn't the appropriate trash receptacle."

ADINSX posted:

lol jesus; I saw some article (that I now can't find) that was talking about how expensive it's gotten to date, where if you want multiple apps with add ons you might be paying hundreds or even low thousands per month.

I figured the most expensive services are for the creeps

what puzzles me is how services attract the non-creeps for creeps to creep upon

are they almost entirely fictional accounts at this point? maybe the services silently discard a lot of messages and likes behind the scenes to keep people floating around in the pool without making any progress?

ADINSX
Sep 9, 2003

Wanna run with my crew huh? Rule cyberspace and crunch numbers like I do?

Internet Janitor posted:

what puzzles me is how services attract the non-creeps for creeps to creep upon

are they almost entirely fictional accounts at this point? maybe the services silently discard a lot of messages and likes behind the scenes to keep people floating around in the pool without making any progress?

Yeah I wonder how that math works. I can charge a creep 500 a month to creep on people, and we expect them to scare off 1-2 users per month. Or can we "accidentally" allow some bots onto the site? Then the creep might be harmlessly chatting with a bot, but now our good users might be chatting with them too and that might drive them away. So could we show more bots to the creep vs average users? Then the creep might wise up and there goes that 500 a month

I saw a different article mention that speed dating is making a comeback. That sounds exhausting, but I think if I were still dating I'd give it a try

mystes
May 31, 2006

Internet Janitor posted:

what puzzles me is how services attract the non-creeps for creeps to creep upon

are they almost entirely fictional accounts at this point? maybe the services silently discard a lot of messages and likes behind the scenes to keep people floating around in the pool without making any progress?
Perhaps the services are launching stuff like this because they're already in the process of self destructing and charging exorbitant fees to creeps before the creeps realize there aren't any humans left to creep on is the only way they can still make money?

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

haveblue posted:

time to go back to the old town matchmaker

there's dinky little signs up near my wife's office advertising that exact service

fermun
Nov 4, 2009
i just met my wife on an irc channel, seems easier than dating apps.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
the vc's dont invest in dating poo poo anymore because the customer acquisition cost is too high, so it's a lotta big advertising campaigns and marketing parties and all sorts of other expensive stuff

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
you can't have infinite growth with a service where if you give the user what they ask for they stop using it

clearly the solution is that we must destroy the concept of the long-term relationship, for the health of the economy

shackleford
Sep 4, 2006

old people are already coupled up, young people are uninterested in sex, all future dating app growth is gonna have to come from the cheating apps

Soylent Pudding
Jun 22, 2007

We've got people!


Everyone I know still on dating apps are either in open relationships or policules and are looking for other people in open relationships or policules.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

young people love sex, they just can't afford the down payment so they have to rent it

EIDE Van Hagar
Dec 8, 2000

Beep Boop

mystes posted:


A lot of software codebases have a weird vibe as if they were written by an idiot but apparently in reality just because they have been produced by a series of incremental changes by humans that don't really take overall consistency into account

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

Shame Boy posted:

young people love sex, they just can't afford the down payment so they have to rent it

thats called a sex worker and pretty sure they dont cost that much

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Casual Encountess
Dec 14, 2005

"You can see how they go from being so sweet to tearing your face off,
just like that,
and it's amazing to have that range."


Thunderdome Exclusive

depends on the market, friend

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