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Stairmaster posted:Why did Maki have to stop wearing glasses Gege decided face scars are cooler.
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Jerkface posted:No way !!! I meant it derogatorily because he's the super op character from the prequel one shot that was absent for the entire front half of the manga who shows up to be super OP and stuff. I can't imagine anyone having any attachment to him whatsoever and I find his shtick of being OP to be boring just like Gojo and Sukuna You have a very limited imagination. Also it wasn't a prequel one-shot, it was the original version of Jujutsu Kaisen. Like this entire series is essentially a retool of an existing manga with the exact same name and concept.
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Blockhouse posted:Also it wasn't a prequel one-shot, it was the original version of Jujutsu Kaisen. Like this entire series is essentially a retool of an existing manga with the exact same name and concept. It had a completely different name if we're being pedantic. And it was a one shot since it was published in jump giga, not serialized in shonen jump... https://twitter.com/vizmedia/status/1279126041135644672 And look at this!! Anyways you're being pedantic. I think most ppl did not engage with year 0 first, I don't think it was even available on shonen jump app until midway through JJK's run. And I dislike Yuta as a character, hes a little super powerful dweeb. hakari is the only super powerful guy who fucks Jerkface fucked around with this message at 09:23 on Jan 1, 2024 |
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Yuta gets a solid character arc and glow up from borderline-suicidal bullied kid with an overpowered ability he can't control, to nice guy who gets poo poo done. I've got nothing negative to say about him, and the story in JJK makes it clear that while he's one of the heavy hitters, there's a fundamental gap between him and the likes of Sukuna and Kenjaku due to his mindset - he just isn't selfish enough.
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Jerkface posted:It had a completely different name if we're being pedantic. And it was a one shot since it was published in jump giga, not serialized in shonen jump... i don't think yuta is a particularly great character but calling him a self-insert or w/e because he's "super OP" is silly everyone at this point either has ridiculous/vague powers or is on the sideline, hakari being a great example stuker fucked around with this message at 10:18 on Jan 1, 2024 |
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Jan 1, 2024 10:15
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its just a short hand descriptive burn
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Gege decided face scars are cooler. Face scars + glasses (mean teacher glasses svp)
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Gege decided face scars are cooler. He's right
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:the point was to set this up as the villain stealing this cool power because Gojo's sentimentality hosed everyone up on this. Which kind of is what holds him back at every step of this narrative and leads to so many many problems. Did anyone know there was some non-human curse taking over bodies for hundreds/thousands of years? I never got the inference that this is a failing of Gojo's. So he's supposed to atomize his own friend after killing him just in case some curse that looks like a human brain can hop in that poo poo? Also is Gojo really that sentmental? A huge reason Geto had his mental break was Gojo became the strongest and then just kind of hosed off and stopped doing stuff with him. That doesn't read as particularly sentimental, but I'm open to having misread the situation. If he cared more wouldn't he be an old softie and insist on doing missions with his bro? It's clearly established that at that point, no one can tell him what to do, period. Taima fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Jan 1, 2024 |
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Taima posted:I never got the inference that this is a failing of Gojo's. So he's supposed to atomize his own friend after killing him just in case some curse that looks like a human brain can hop in that poo poo? Taima posted:Also is Gojo really that sentmental? A huge reason Geto had his mental break was Gojo became the strongest and then just kind of hosed off and stopped doing stuff with him. That doesn't read as particularly sentimental, but I'm open to having misread the situation. If he cared more wouldn't he be an old softie and insist on doing missions with his bro? It's clearly established that at that point, no one can tell him what to do, period.
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Jan 1, 2024 15:14
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Jerkface posted:it would be incredibly silly if Yuta killed Kenjaku then teleported over and killed Sukuna, but he's Gege's OC Don't Steal so it would fit the empty fulfillment of this finale This would be the funniest outcome and I'm all for it. Have him do the exact same teleport-beheading too, no cursed technique, nothing, just chop and done.
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Jan 1, 2024 15:19
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Taima posted:Also is Gojo really that sentmental? Gojo is very sentimental. He went to the fight of his life dressed as the guy that gave him the fight of his life, he couldn't manage to finish off Geto properly, he didn't wipe out the rest of Jujutsu society but in the end tried to push people towards a reform; he's been characterized as being on a similar path to Kashimo, but Kashimo went all in on the path towards absolute strength, Gojo ended up not following that path because he wanted to make sure none of his pupils would've had a falling off like Geto had. Still, he was intrigued by the question Kashimo tried to answer through murder; he's so sentimental he wanted to use Sukuna's fingers to reform Jujutsu society, rather than seal them off. Gojo is sentimental, you have to read his characterization through the lens of a divine being over the rest of humanity.
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Taima posted:Did anyone know there was some non-human curse taking over bodies for hundreds/thousands of years? I never got the inference that this is a failing of Gojo's. So he's supposed to atomize his own friend after killing him just in case some curse that looks like a human brain can hop in that poo poo? Not in specific but it's stated it's common practice destroy the bodies of sorcerers to keep bad poo poo from happening. Kenjaku calls Gojo saving Getos body instead if burning it specifically and specifically because of his attachment to Geto.
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Jan 1, 2024 18:38
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Gege has specifically said that Geto was essentially Gojo's conscience which is what drove Gojo so insane when Geto broke down and became a curse user. Everything that Gojo did after Geto snapped was because Geto snapped. The reason that Gojo didn't just immediately kill the higher ups and flatten the other clans is because the image he had of Geto in his mind wouldn't have approved. Same reason he asked Geto if he should execute the entire Star Cult; he was using Geto's judgment as his own. It's actually a bit similar to Jogou with Sukuna; Jogou was kinda broken by the rear end whupping he got from Gojo so he tried to be more strategic fighting Sukuna- who while praising his strength, admonishes him for not acting like a proper disaster curse should and just trying to burn everything in his way.
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I don't browse any manga sites or discussion pages for the few series I check out, usually pretty happy to be in my own lane and check on things time to time But I gotta ask, am I having bad luck on SA or are most of the threads super negative? Each time I try to check a series out or see what the reception is on here it's 'this poo poo is slop I hate it hey new chapter it sucks' and it's just got a weird feeling all around at this point. I'm genuinely asking and not trying to start anything even though I know my post can be read that way but it just seems so strange to keep up with a series you hate
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:I don't browse any manga sites or discussion pages for the few series I check out, usually pretty happy to be in my own lane and check on things time to time Not at all? Most of the threads are made by fans than enjoy series they post about. Good stuff like dungeon meshi, golden kamui, etc. gets a lot of praise. Besides, keeping up with the things you (love to) hate is great stuff.
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Yeah, maybe you're just in a bad luck zone where the media you consume is considered a rough patch by the fans. But even literally this thread was up on JJK like a month ago, when we had Takba and Kenjaku's Fanta-sea. Hajime No Ippo is on the up and up, the recently finished Dungeon Meshi got praise the whole way....
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The miscellaneous romance manga thread is also usually pretty chill/upbeat vibes, in no small part due to Polar Opposites.
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That's fair, I don't get a lot of time to read manga or watch anime and I like straightforward action and likeable characters so poo poo like MHA (in the past) and JJK were easy suggestions according to friends, so just kinda striking out maybe??
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Both JJK and MHA have\had major authorial issues and divisive story points, so i think that's bad luck on your part. Manga like one punch man, frieren, dungeon meshi, dandadan may have some complaints at times but are generally very positive.
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But have you considered that love and hate are two sides of the same coin and thus the more you hate something the more you will find that you in fact actually love it? Do you hate JJK because you love it, or do you love JJK because you hate it?
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:I don't browse any manga sites or discussion pages for the few series I check out, usually pretty happy to be in my own lane and check on things time to time It varies from forum to forum and subject to subject. In ADTRW, there's a big culture where the tone of the thread is kind of dictated by the posting style of the posters within it. I think most non-popular shonen threads that get made tend to be rather positive or at worst a healthy mix of praise and criticism. But yeah, for shonen series it just depends on the temperament of the posters in them. One Piece is usually a pretty positive thread with occasional criticism, but both the MHA and JJK threads tend to get lot of criticism (some fair, some not) that tends to make those threads feel overly negative most of the time.
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You have to love something to really talk about how much you dislike some aspects of it  it's clear to me that almost everyone active in this thread loves JJK. You can like something and critique it; if no one cared we would just put it down and not talk about itJJK can also be particularly prone to criticism because the author basically destroyed it about halfway through in favor of doing a completely different and arguably much less nuanced thing, so you're doing to have a wide range of opinions.
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I want Gojo's legs to get back in this fight
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I think the ambition of stuff has a big impact. Not a lot of people here talk about, say, Black Clover but aside from some dismissiveness whenever I see it come up it is people being pretty positive about it because Black Clover is aggressively standard and doesn't really do much besides offer a variety of characters getting increasing powerups and heroic speeches and that may be all people want. MHA, for all its flaws, tried to both be a standard shonen punchman, a superhero story, a school story, and try to deal with the issues of systemic racism and abuse in society without having any clear end goal, and a lot of people's complaints about it tend to be born from those things. It's why people tend to be more positive about, say, MHA: Vigilantes which has the benefit of both being done and handling the subject matter better. JJK is absolutely nothing if not ambitious but if it succeeds at what it is doing is kind of a person-to-person basis. The Gojo thing is probably the biggest example of that. Nobody is shocked the mentor character died in a dramatic fight against the main villain, but having him suddenly randomly ganked offscreen directly after coming back from his last 'mentor character written out of action' hiatus is a hell of a pitch but having that kind of a pitch also comes with the risk of losing the audience if it doesn't work for them.
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JJK thread has been pretty negative for a long while and over stuff that is genuinely really good, to the point it's spilled over to the anime thread as manga readers hop in to moan about some imaginary turn in the themes of the story. Attack on Titan manga thread became a clusterfuck as it ended, with everyone who had a chip on their shoulder coming in to drop their big brained takes on what the author was trying to say even though they were mentally checked out and only following the MTL speedscans (sounds familiar?). This went on to spill to the anime thread as well, even though reception there was largely positive to the confusion of manga thread regulars. Haven't checked the Frieren thread here, but in other SA-adjacent spaces they were pretty down on the manga the moment demons showed up, because they didn't expect the story to have stakes and violence and "demons being psychopaths is boring".
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Conspiratiorist posted:JJK thread has been pretty negative for a long while and over stuff that is genuinely really good, to the point it's spilled over to the anime thread as manga readers hop in to moan about some imaginary turn in the themes of the story. "Imaginary turn in the themes of the story," jeez. I get that you have a more positive view of the events of the story than other people, but we didn't just make poo poo up.
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Literacy is loving dead.
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Conspiratiorist posted:JJK thread has been pretty negative for a long while and over stuff that is genuinely really good, to the point it's spilled over to the anime thread as manga readers hop in to moan about some imaginary turn in the themes of the story.
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Conspiratiorist posted:JJK thread has been pretty negative for a long while and over stuff that is genuinely really good, to the point it's spilled over to the anime thread as manga readers hop in to moan about some imaginary turn in the themes of the story. You're misremembering things here pretty heavily to try to prove your point. Attack on Titan's manga thread was positive towards the series (more or less) until the last chapter which pretty much everyone hated not because of speedscans but because it was a loving bad chapter. This can be proven by the fact that it got a second revised ending chapter and then the anime further revised that revised chapter to fix or adjust the things everyone hated and the author himself has admittedly he presented it poorly. Nobody in the manga thread was 'confused' by it because the reception in the manga thread was "Oh, hey, they fixed the poo poo people hated." You're trying to go "heh, they just didn't understand the story because they were angry" to a series which literally rewrote its ending twice.
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All the girls sucking/getting killed off/playing second fiddle to the boys in manga definitely sucks, but I've just grown so used to it that it's not really "ruining" any of the comics I read anymore. All the good shonen fightman mangas are guilty of some bullshit
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Brought To You By posted:You're going to have to give a list of what you think is good that people complain about. Because I think everyone was onboard for Takaba but there's no denying that Maki's development was rushed and hamfisted, Gojo vs Sukuna was a good fight with a garbage end, and Sukuna vs everyone is just more of the same. The culling game is undeniably a mishmash of writing quality compared to previous arcs and aside from the odd issues with people solely relying on speed translations to convey their frustration or the MHA asides, I think JJK is getting about as good as it's giving us the reader. I'm talking about the real JJK that had clearly always been intended to be lead-up (and follow-up) to the Shibuya Incident, vs the imagined JJK that was a low stakes magic battle school story until out of the left field the author decided to go chop chop for cheap thrills. This might seem coming from the ancient past of two years ago since this thread is naturally much more concerned with ongoing manga events, but it was discourse driven by the same kind of reading of the material, and recently revived for the anime thread. I've already voiced my own criticism on the Culling Game's pacing and Gege improperly following up on plot threads - what I'm saying is that JJK has always known what it's been about, and it's all of this, which is why when it looks like Gojo's got it clinched I can got  when his defeat comes so suddenly it's portrayed as a hard cut to his final passing thoughts, while we got half a dozen people here going "wait what just happened did gege forget a page i'm so checked out this sucks where's nobara"ImpAtom posted:You're misremembering things here pretty heavily to try to prove your point. Folks were praising stuff the anime "fixed" that was in the original, non-revised chapters! I was lukewarm about how the story ended myself (the ending's grown on me a bit as time goes on and I digest it more), but you had deranged rants about how the proof was in the pudding that was Isayama is an antisemitic fascist or how it's all meaningless because the titans caused an ecological apocalypse.
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JJK and MHA especially are in their final arcs, which for a weekly shonen manga means having to resolve the arcs of literally everybody in the manga that didn't finish theirs in time, completely ignore other characters, have to deal with the final boss that's been hyped up for hundreds of chapters (that may not have an actual way of being defeated thought out in advance) and most important, the authors loving dying from overwork.
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Conspiratiorist posted:Folks were praising stuff the anime "fixed" that was in the original, non-revised chapters! I was lukewarm about how the story ended myself (the ending's grown on me a bit as time goes on and I digest it more), but you had deranged rants about how the proof was in the pudding that was Isayama is an antisemitic fascist or how it's all meaningless because the titans caused an ecological apocalypse. The anime literally rewrote the conversation between Erin and Armin because the original sounded so bad. Again, the author has gone on record and said "this did not come across as I intended." That particular conversation was probably the biggest sticking point people had after the first set of reversed chapters actually gave more of an ending than "Erin is a bird now." (and even the revised ending was redone to make it clear that it took place on a much larger timescale than the original series.) Trying to get angry at people for something the author has said was a mistake on their part is dumb. Scallop Eyes posted:JJK and MHA especially are in their final arcs, which for a weekly shonen manga means having to resolve the arcs of literally everybody in the manga that didn't finish theirs in time, completely ignore other characters, have to deal with the final boss that's been hyped up for hundreds of chapters (that may not have an actual way of being defeated thought out in advance) and most important, the authors loving dying from overwork. Yeah, I generally assume that any problems with JJK at least are partially "I am so tired please god let me end the series please."
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ImpAtom posted:The anime literally rewrote the conversation between Erin and Armin because the original sounded so bad. Again, the author has gone on record and said "this did not come across as I intended." That particular conversation was probably the biggest sticking point people had after the first set of reversed chapters actually gave more of an ending than "Erin is a bird now." (and even the revised ending was redone to make it clear that it took place on a much larger timescale than the original series.) Trying to get angry at people for something the author has said was a mistake on their part is dumb. Revisions changed exactly two things and you're zeroing in on them as if they were the only criticisms people had of the You're mad because Armin thanked his friend for doing a genocide. I'm mad because Eren wasn't the baby daddy. We're not the same.
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ImpAtom posted:Yeah, I generally assume that any problems with JJK at least are partially "I am so tired please god let me end the series please." You can probably attribute to almost any shonen tbh.
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Conspiratiorist posted:You're mad because Armin thanked his friend for doing a genocide. I'm mad because Eren wasn't the baby daddy. We're not the same. No Wave fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Jan 2, 2024 |
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I'll throw another chip in and I think JJK is "guilty" of drawing a lot from religion/mythology/esoterism we (as western readers) are not familiar with. I've read weird (but still convincing) theories about all the buddhist symbolism surrounding, mostly, Sukuna and Gojo. Its usage of symbols does some kind of lifting about what themes the story is supposed to tell, and some of the foreshadowing we've been shown(like, Sukuna being shown his mummy, dressed as a buddhist monk who has undergone a process of live self mummification in order to get out of the Samsara circle, states: "It's ironic". What is that supposed to mean?).
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Char posted:I'll throw another chip in and I think JJK is "guilty" of drawing a lot from religion/mythology/esoterism we (as western readers) are not familiar with. He is saying it is like rain on your wedding day.
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