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They were economic and critical success at the time of their release. The ability to prove something depends on your standard of proof. If your standard of proof is “more likely than not” then it seems to me there is more evidence that “normies” liked the movies than not
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Glottis posted:I think it'll probably do well but not be very good I actually think it's more likely to be a good movie than to do well at the box office... Haven't we proven that you can't build movies off of TV Show characters and have them do well?
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Jan 10, 2024 19:12
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Anybody plugged in enough to survey intelligibly about the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy was also plugged in enough to be influenced by the highly motivated tastemakers trying to push a narrative or counter-narrative. The normies are invisible. We can rely on but two things: merch sales, and our own intelligence as movie-looker-atters.
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Jan 10, 2024 19:16
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mycot posted:This is kind of a silly conversation because it's basically impossible to "prove" but I do not think normies liked the prequel trilogy no. It also describes mine, except he liked them!
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Jan 10, 2024 19:53
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:for the prequel trilogy, The Phantom Menace made a lot of money, because how could it not? Attack of the Clones made *substantially* less money, like 30-40% less; a lot of people weren't that impressed with TPM and this is how it shows. Even when you adjust for inflation, TFA is still the #11 top grossing film of all time. TPM is #19. Granted, TFA falls into the same "how could it not?" category you say TPM does, but TFA was a massively successful movie. When you adjust for inflation and compare the PT to the ST, you get: TPM: #19 AOTC: #100 ROTS: #70 TFA: #11 TLJ: #44 TROS: #88 I'd say the trilogies themselves are pretty comparable, but the sequel trilogy has a better average (mostly due to AOTC dragging the PT's average down). Though yes, Solo is clearly the loser here, it doesn't even make the list. thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Jan 10, 2024 |
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Jan 10, 2024 20:02
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I think ticket prices have increased faster than inflation ?
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euphronius posted:I think ticket prices have increased faster than inflation ? https://www.boxofficemojo.com/chart/top_lifetime_gross_adjusted/?adjust_gross_to=2019 Sorry, the list I was posting from was using 2019 ticket prices (the year TROS came out), so it's based on amount of tickets sold, not straight inflation numbers. quote:https://help.imdb.com/article/imdbpro/industry-research/box-office-mojo-by-imdbpro-faq/GCWTV4MQKGWRAUAP?ref_=mojo_cso_md#inflation thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Jan 10, 2024 |
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Jan 10, 2024 20:23
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It’s all very confusing anyway due to 3d and Luxury seats (one actual good thing about movies these days) Oh well I think these data show normies liked the movies
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Jan 10, 2024 20:24
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euphronius posted:It’s all very confusing anyway due to 3d and Luxury seats (one actual good thing about movies these days) I know Attack of the Clones had Digital Projection screenings as well, because I saw it once on one (for my second viewing at a theater kinda far away), and I can't remember, but I think that was more expensive, too? 2002 was weird.
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Jan 10, 2024 20:29
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The Prequels are basically exactly like the Macarena. Of course everyone rightfully mocks it now and there's plenty of people who will gleefully tell you how they hated it right from the start but it's also undeniable that at that moment in pop culture it was loving everywhere and everyone was doing it, which means statistically at least half of the people bragging about how cool they were for never liking it were probably learning it with their friends and siblings like everyone else. Not me tho, I was always extremely cool, I spit in my mothers face when she tried to teach me the Macarena and I also walked out of the Phantom Menace at age 14 because of the principal of the thing!
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Jan 10, 2024 20:41
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The prequels gave us Episode 1: Racer, its cultural legacy is assured
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Guy A. Person posted:The Prequels are basically exactly like the Macarena. Of course everyone rightfully mocks it now and there's plenty of people who will gleefully tell you how they hated it right from the start but it's also undeniable that at that moment in pop culture it was loving everywhere and everyone was doing it, which means statistically at least half of the people bragging about how cool they were for never liking it were probably learning it with their friends and siblings like everyone else.
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Halloween Jack posted:They're not really analogous because millions of people weren't forced to go to the theatre and watch the prequel movies with their jaws clenched in rage the whole time. Tbf if you were a millenial child you probably actually were by your parents, though that's probably the demographic least inclined to raging over them.
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Jan 10, 2024 21:26
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it's directly analogous because all the people insisting they were just doing this begrudgingly while fighting back tears of rage were probably just having fun, and are just embarrassed by that fact in retrospect
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Jan 10, 2024 21:33
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I saw Episode 2 as a kid and it was the first movie I saw where I thought "I'm bored" The real value in the prequels were that the Lego sets ruled
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Jan 10, 2024 21:56
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:You saw all the lame joke criticisms because so many people were going into theatres, engaging with the films, and getting really invested in the narrative. “Why is Anakin so weird and awkward? Can’t he see what he’s doing is bad???” Rogue one, Andor and The first two seasons of Mandalorian are the only Disney stuff that feels authentic to the original trilogy
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Jan 10, 2024 21:59
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I was active on a lot of sci-fi forums when the prequels were coming out and I think people need to remember how much different the Internet was before social media and smartphones: it was all nerds! People thought the prequels were fine or you were a nerd who didn't like that Anakin was whiny or, more common, didn't like that the clones were all CGI, that turbolasers fired like Age of Sail cannons, or Yoda had a lightsaber, the ICS, etc. SMG is right -- people were invested in the narrative but didn't like the choices. Meanwhile, the sequels... It probably helps, too, that the prequels had great video games and cartoons that meant fans could find something to like about the era even if they didn't think the films were great.
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Revenge of the sith is legitimately good. Like objectively. It’s also pure “Star Wars” afaict and like I don’t even understand how Star Wars fans don’t like it. I understand some of the complaints about 1. 2 is maybe a perfect movie but I understand the confusion about it
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Jan 10, 2024 22:48
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If you can't appreciate Dracula getting killed by a laser cross, you're no fun.
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that was so cool. It’s funny too because I was so locked into the spoilers leaking I knew the whole movie so when I snagged the count dooku figure I grabbed that head and sure enough popped off like it was made too. Arms too lol Hidden battle damage feature
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The reception to the prequels might have been, lets say mixed, but if you weren't on the net at the time you would have missed the rampant theory crafting and speculation between movies, which tells me nerds were interested. Things like after TPM but before AotC some people saying it was too obvious that Palpatine was the emperor and it was a secret twin/clone situation or that the reason Naboo was important was they had the cloning facilities, that plant Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon/Maul fight in must power it, it's too big to just power the palace etc etc. This, like all fan theory crafting, is of course nonsense but it shows people were bought in.
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garycoleisgod posted:The reception to the prequels might have been, lets say mixed, but if you weren't on the net at the time you would have missed the rampant theory crafting and speculation between movies, which tells me nerds were interested. I'm not going to weigh in on the "were the prequels liked or hated at the time" debate, because it's just so tired at this point. But of course nerds online were debating them. The prequels were the only official canon content we had from Lucas himself since 1983 (aside from the rare occasion he weighed in on the EU). We were feeding ourselves with EU content for 16 years at that point. Actual movies made by Lucas himself? It literally didn't matter how bad they were, we were going to dissect every second of them. I don't think "nerds online theory crafting" is a good barometer to use for if they were well received. We were rats scrapping for crumbs.
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It's impossible to determine whether or not the prequels were well-received at the time. If you were a child when they came out then your point of view and engagement with media was too limited to your immediate friend group and experiences will skew wildly from person to person. If you were an adult when they came out then your brain is too addled from leaded gas to remember clearly and your judgment can't be trusted.
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garycoleisgod posted:The reception to the prequels might have been, lets say mixed, but if you weren't on the net at the time you would have missed the rampant theory crafting and speculation between movies, which tells me nerds were interested. "This Star Wars contraption feels too big for its alleged purpose" being an actual argument is delightful. Skrill.exe posted:It's impossible to determine whether or not the prequels were well-received at the time. If you were a child when they came out then your point of view and engagement with media was too limited to your immediate friend group and experiences will skew wildly from person to person. If you were an adult when they came out then your brain is too addled from leaded gas to remember clearly and your judgment can't be trusted. Also if you grew up in that era it's all part of Star Wars anyway. It usually takes a while for kids to start having opinions on which material constitutes Good Star Wars and Bad Star Wars.
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90sgamer posted:Rogue one, Andor and The first two seasons of Mandalorian are the only Disney stuff that feels authentic to the original trilogy And one episode of Ahsoka, the one where they meet the shell people. That was legit old school.
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It is not impossible to determine if they were well received. I have already done so.
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Nerds at the time bitched about the prequels but still saw them several times over in theaters. Only the real grouses completely wrote them off. Everyone else pretty much agreed that they were, for lack of a better word, canon. If nothing else they were, for the majority of people, legitimate entries to a larger story, whether they ‘liked’ them or not.
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Excuse me I only saw TPM 10.5 times in the theaters before realizing I didn't like it anymore and walking out
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I think whatever else you can say about the prequels, they in broad strokes were fine for the setting. It all fit together, and gave the setting more material to work with that largely made sense.
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Probably the most obvious problem setting wise was the only 1 million clones thing. Which was really not so bad by modern JJ standards I suppose
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garycoleisgod posted:The reception to the prequels might have been, lets say mixed, but if you weren't on the net at the time you would have missed the rampant theory crafting and speculation between movies, which tells me nerds were interested. Naboo is going to be devastated by the Clone Wars and become Dagobah. Proof: Both of them have a lot of water.
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I really wish someone could drag out the SA threads from between movies. I think last time someone went digging the earliest they could find was still post-ROTS. I know some rumor sites were archived, but I wanna see what us idiots were talking about
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No Mods No Masters posted:Probably the most obvious problem setting wise was the only 1 million clones thing. Which was really not so bad by modern JJ standards I suppose The most obvious problem was all the Jedi dressed like moisture farmers. They don't live on Tatooine! Makes no sense at all
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I found some threads Don’t know what’s in em bht they had pages so here lol https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=1562608 https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=1564873
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You can probably still read the Usenet posts
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It's laughable they expect me to believe that a member of a religious order would wear robes
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CelticPredator posted:I found some threads "So I hit up the local video store" XXX with "Vin Diesal"
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Oh my God lolYahtzee posted:Bah I'm too cool for this debate. I'm going to go have sex with a girl.
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Vim Fuego posted:The most obvious problem was all the Jedi dressed like moisture farmers. They don't live on Tatooine! Makes no sense at all I think it's pretty fair to not really like the extent to which the prequels decided the jedi were basically completely monks and not really knights at all, but it's so fundamental to the premise I guess I don't really consider it a setting problem. I guess it's kind of just transposing lucas's branding savvy from the real world onto the organization in the fiction
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Moisture farmers are just incredible poseurs and no one likes them. On other planets they're dressed as puckish rogues
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