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Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

Gripweed posted:

You need to start reading the manga, it is so good. So many people just get to the end of the anime and give up there, and that’s such a shame.

I might, I want to know what happens now.

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Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
So I caught up on reading Zeonic's scanlations of Vanadis Heart. It's pretty interesting and has its own twist on the way Gund technology gets co-opted for less than noble uses.

The main character Vilda is a former Vanadis Institute member who survived the purge. She joined up to save her brother from a medical condition but he died and then she was diagnosed with the same microfistula disease. At some point before the purge she designed a Gund powered heart and discovered that Kiyu, the boy she's traveling with, had it installed in him. However the catch is that the heart only works within an 800m range of a Gundam, presumably because it's the only thing that can process enough permet data fast enough to keep the heart operating properly.

So in the latest chapter Vilda encounters Yoshika who is another child implanted with the same Gund Heart while she pilots Llfrith Anocta. A spacian company is using her and the Anocta to suppress Earthian terrorists and to also track down Vilda. Llfrith Jiu isn't actually hers and she stole it along with Kiyu from wherever she found both. So the next chapter looks like there may be a showdown coming where Yoshika tries to get Vilda and Kiyu to follow her back to her Handler. Also the Jiu may have been involved in annihilating an Earthian town in prior years.

So yeah, more insidious corruption of medicine by tying their function to mobile suits and then using medical test subject children as pilots.

SatoshiMiwa
May 6, 2007


I'm just amused that of the three pitches the first very much was Super Robots meets Saturday morning cartoons, the second was somewhere in the middle and the third very much felt like a Gundam series pitch that someone might have done at some point. Just such a wide variety

And honestly I wouldn't mind a series that brought in some Super Robot/Brave robot vibes and aliens but mixed it with Gundam style story. This may be my Bang Bravern high talking but I think it could be interesting

Caphi
Jan 6, 2012

INCREDIBLE

SatoshiMiwa posted:

I'm just amused that of the three pitches the first very much was Super Robots meets Saturday morning cartoons, the second was somewhere in the middle and the third very much felt like a Gundam series pitch that someone might have done at some point. Just such a wide variety

And yet a pilot went to Doozy Bots.

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

Endorph posted:

tbf gundam would eventually go that route too.

at this point itd be kinda interesting to get a tv series that just full on commits to it. seed only has a brief mention of the possibility, 00's are only in the movie, and AGE sort of backpedals on it. i think a first contact story with a gundam flavor could actually be pretty good, if done well.

I think I'd only be interested if it really went out there, like blindsight or something, since ideons covered the more conventional sort.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Caphi posted:

And yet a pilot went to Doozy Bots.

It's still hosed up they made the wheelchair kid Guntank

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Stairmaster posted:

I think I'd only be interested if it really went out there, like blindsight or something, since ideons covered the more conventional sort.
i was thinking something like aliens getting drafted into an already ongoing human conflict on both sides and how they get used as a pawn, or something. thatd be a gundam enough twist and would have potential

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Waffleman_ posted:

It's still hosed up they made the wheelchair kid Guntank
they could have made him the zeong

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Endorph posted:

i was thinking something like aliens getting drafted into an already ongoing human conflict on both sides and how they get used as a pawn, or something. thatd be a gundam enough twist and would have potential

So like a reverse Build Divers Re Rise.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Endorph posted:

they could have made him the zeong

Obviously that would have been the episode where they had the Science Club's dark counterparts, a bunch of punks who also turned into Doozy Bots but bad and they would have had their own wheelchair kid

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

Endorph posted:

i was thinking something like aliens getting drafted into an already ongoing human conflict on both sides and how they get used as a pawn, or something. thatd be a gundam enough twist and would have potential

First contact occurring in the middle of a OYW-esque ongoing human conflict and being a third party that's courted and manipulated by both human factions is definitely the most interesting "what if gundam had aliens" concept i can think of

gently caress now I want that

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



ninjewtsu posted:

First contact occurring in the middle of a OYW-esque ongoing human conflict and being a third party that's courted and manipulated by both human factions is definitely the most interesting "what if gundam had aliens" concept i can think of

gently caress now I want that

Read Harry Turtledove's Worldwar series to see a take on this when the alien invaders show up in the middle of World War 2. No mecha but it will have a lot of the multilateral intrigue you describe.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



Stairmaster posted:

I think I'd only be interested if it really went out there, like blindsight or something, since ideons covered the more conventional sort.

I'd say Macross (which Sunrise is doing now) is the better reference. Macross is, generally, the one with aliens, while Gundam is generally the one without aliens.

And considering how bad Gundam's movie with really alien aliens was, I'm fine with not doing aliens outside of Build.

SatoshiMiwa
May 6, 2007


Waffleman_ posted:

Obviously that would have been the episode where they had the Science Club's dark counterparts, a bunch of punks who also turned into Doozy Bots but bad and they would have had their own wheelchair kid

Does the evil science club get their own football player to be the Big Zam?

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



SatoshiMiwa posted:

Does the evil science club get their own football player to be the Big Zam?

Football is inherently American, and thus virtuous.

He's a rugby player.

Randallteal
May 7, 2006

The tears of time
Turn A is basically a first contact / alien colonization story

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Some image leaks from SEED Freedom and ah...

That's quite the spacesuit/plugsuit they gave to Lacus, isn't it?

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Arc Hammer posted:

Some image leaks from SEED Freedom and ah...

That's quite the spacesuit/plugsuit they gave to Lacus, isn't it?

From teh guy on r/gundam

quote:

The image I couldn’t include without this getting struck with nsfw tags has this like arrow/bat signal looking thing over her asscrack. Fukuda hasn’t changed a bit

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Here's one of the images.



That face

Ojjeorago
Sep 21, 2008

I had a dream, too. It wasn't pleasant, though ... I dreamt I was a moron...
Gary’s Answer

Arc Hammer posted:

Some image leaks from SEED Freedom and ah...

That's quite the spacesuit/plugsuit they gave to Lacus, isn't it?

lmao Strike Freedom 2 is a Franxx

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Arc Hammer posted:

Here's one of the images.



That face


G Gundam is back, baby

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



That mouth belongs on a blow up doll, geez.

Monaghan
Dec 29, 2006

I can't believe hirais designs got even worse.

He still has my vote for worst character designer in gundam. There's just no personality in them.

Mister Olympus
Oct 31, 2011

Buzzard, Who Steals From Dead Bodies

Monaghan posted:

I can't believe hirais designs got even worse.

He still has my vote for worst character designer in gundam. There's just no personality in them.

hirai is perfectly capable of drawing fun characters, just not for seed. look at majestic prince

muike
Mar 16, 2011

ガチムチ セブン
his mjp characters also look bad. his art is bad. always. i can't stand it

Tulalip Tulips
Sep 1, 2013

The best apologies are crafted with love.
That image gives off that Marvel or DC comic guy who traced porn vibes and I am not a fan.

Monaghan
Dec 29, 2006

I have seen his mjp designs. They look similar to his seed designs. Only real difference is the boob size.

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

Mister Olympus posted:

hirai is perfectly capable of drawing fun characters, just not for seed. look at majestic prince

What characters in MJP were fun?

Mister Olympus
Oct 31, 2011

Buzzard, Who Steals From Dead Bodies
the main team, villains,a dnt eh other couple of teams all looked very distinct and went with their mannerisms pretty well, idk

fafner characters i find hard to tell apart sometimes so maybe just don't give him uniforms

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled
The MJP characters don't look any different from SEED characters in stills, but the entire tone and vibe of the series is different and they animate like, well, cartoon characters instead of being dour and serious 100% of the time. They're a lot more vibrant, distinctive, and fun in motion than SEED characters are, so Hirai's simplistic facial designs actually work pretty well there.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
In other words, MJP's Hirai character designs aren't an asset (or even good), but the show's lighter, more comic tone and more adventurous animation help mitigate the damage they cause.

Like, seriously, would that show actually lose anything if it had character designs from (as a random example) Mogumo, the lead character artist of Witch from Mercury?

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
https://twitter.com/Chris_novas/status/1746731392678187099?t=1nXaiz0UgS1S9ysh2mRGTw&s=19

Heero? What restaurant will you take me to for lunch today?

Motto
Aug 3, 2013

MJP ftw

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

My Jittle Pony

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

hirai's designs were good in scryed

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Endorph posted:

hirai's designs were good in scryed

Straight Cougar is the best anime character design

Fivemarks
Feb 21, 2015
The problem has never been Hirai's designs. The problem is with Gundam SEED, SEED Destiny, and the movie and how they handle the designs.

Omnicrom
Aug 3, 2007
Snorlax Afficionado


Fivemarks posted:

The problem has never been Hirai's designs. The problem is with Gundam SEED, SEED Destiny, and the movie and how they handle the designs.

Yep. I have 100% seen Hirai as gently caress designs in other anime and they were fine, even good. S-Cry-ed is a genuinely good looking show, and when I was stuck into Majestic Prince I barely noticed we were in Hirai-land. CE Gundam just looks bad.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

I absolutely can't imagine looking at other Hirai stuff except maybe Scryed (where his art still was still developing) and going "oh no, it was only SEED that was the problem."

His stuff looked like poo poo in Heroic Age, it looked like poo poo in Fafnir, his stuff looked like poo poo in Majestic Prince, it looks like poo poo everywhere. MJP gets 'better' in that his stuff is frequently off model there and Hirai off model is almost exclusively better than on-model.

ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Jan 15, 2024

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haypliss
Oct 2, 2022
Well you can't expect people to know Giniro no Olynsis.

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