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Elias_Maluco posted:That I don’t think I agree. The story is not about that, it glosses over that. Is not something anyone cares about, not even the droids themselves seem to question or mind it. They are sometimes things and sometimes full fledged persons, depending on the droid and/or the scene. And all in all, it just don’t matter, the story is not about that. In Return of the Jedi, there's a scene where C-3PO - Jabba's new droid - is taken to the droid quarters and meets with a droid overseer. In the background, a droid is being tortured due to poor work. Please explain the purpose of this scene, if it is not about slavery. (Because if it is about slavery, it's so clear that an explanation is utterly unnecessary.)
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Halloween Jack posted:"We must be made to suffer! It seems to be our lot in life." Yeah, you're definitely not meant to think about it at all. No, it’s supposed to be funny, comic relief . Like a talking broom complaining about its back from brushing all day long or something like that. The suffering of the slave droids is laughing matter trough all films
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It's not like disney has ignored the droid slavery issue. The hit film solo faced it absolutely head on. That movie's view, that the desire of droids for freedom is a funny joke, was simply an abhorrent one
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i honestly never understood why anyone ever assumed you were meant to think the droids had no soul or weren't supposed to think they weren't sentiant. there's many scenes across the saga where they feel agony, scream in terror, feel sad, or happy, ect.
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Halloween Jack posted:"We must be made to suffer! It seems to be our lot in life." Yeah, you're definitely not meant to think about it at all. We are 100% not meant to think about it.
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Elias_Maluco posted:No, it’s supposed to be funny, comic relief . Like a talking broom complaining about its back from brushing all day long or something like that. its not funny
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O0-dCLFadQ this poo poo aint funny lol
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Like what would be the show if Kirk and Spock landed on Tatooine. They would be horrified and question the prime directive
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CelticPredator posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O0-dCLFadQ I’m petty sure it’s suppose to be edit: I mean we have a little robot screaming in a funny voice while getting his fuselage burned, it’s like a talking car screaming in pain after getting it tire punctured by a nail Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Jan 17, 2024 |
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Elias_Maluco posted:No, it’s supposed to be funny, comic relief . Like a talking broom complaining about its back from brushing all day long or something like that. That poor gonk droid did nothing to deserve that. Mods??????
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#savethegonk
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CelticPredator posted:i honestly never understood why anyone ever assumed you were meant to think the droids had no soul or weren't supposed to think they weren't sentiant.
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If you prick us, do we not gonk?
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I understand probably a lot of people ITT have not seen solo, and I don't blame you. But I don't really know if you can have this conversation in the disney context without reference to L3
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I get your point but i'll say Luke does care about R2. His tone is more like a owner to a pet, but he does genuinely care. True, he was complicit in being a slave owner but idk. That's the lovely world.
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Star Wars is not a story about droid liberation, but it implies the existence of a companion story about droid liberation by its allusions to other media which commented on real-world slavery by their own respective metaphors. Droid slavery is a recurring theme which reflects upon other elements of the story. Sometimes its depiction of droid slavery is darkly ironic.
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I am personally sticking to Lucas movies as “Star Wars” but yeah there is a lot of other media out there like Solo
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No Mods No Masters posted:I understand probably a lot of people ITT have not seen solo, and I don't blame you. But I don't really know if you can have this conversation in the disney context without reference to L3 l3 is really awful honestly. I don't understand how that just got left in the movie. Tbh its only one scene that's really messed up. Just cut out the "putting her inside the falcon" and we're okay,
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Elias_Maluco posted:No, it’s supposed to be funny, comic relief . Like a talking broom complaining about its back from brushing all day long or something like that. You're right about droids suffering being a joke throughout the films but that humor requires droids to be people. A talking broom complaining about work isn't funny at all if its just an object. This is basic Flintstone's logic.
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Elias_Maluco posted:No, it’s supposed to be funny, comic relief . Like a talking broom complaining about its back from brushing all day long or something like that. 
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CelticPredator posted:its not funny Yeah, this is supposed to show you that C3P0 is in real danger. It's a literal Droid Hell.
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Schwarzwald posted:You're right about droids suffering being a joke throughout the films but that humor requires droids to be people. Sure, but at the same time it can be funny, not horrible, because it’s also not a real person. We are not supposed to care about the suffering of the talking broom people or question this society that enslaves them It the star wars movies (here I’m thinking only about the Lucas movies), it’s kinda like that. The heroes treat the droids sometimes like people, sometimes as slaves, sometimes as pets. Sometimes they also mown trough them like it didn’t matter at all. Robots can be goofy friendly companions or just things, but the movies dont seems to be interested in exploring what their situation in this universe really means, even though we, the audience, can
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I mean, that's fiction for you.
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Elias_Maluco posted:Sure, but at the same time it can be funny, not horrible, because it’s also not a real person. We are not supposed to care about the suffering of the talking broom people or question this society that enslaves them For being not interested in exploring it, they sure did explore it at some length in the second most recent film
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Imagine if they did Measure of a Man with R2
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The film may explore it but the characters in the film do not, which makes it different than a morality play … to go back to my original point on why SW and ST are different sw cartoons excepted
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The morality play is about anakin skywalker not the droids Are these definitions lying? 1 : an allegorical play popular especially in the 15th and 16th centuries in which the characters personify abstract qualities or concepts (such as virtues, vices, or death) 2 : something (such as a court trial) which involves a direct conflict between right and wrong or good and evil and from which a moral lesson may be drawn How does this not relate to Star Wars? I’m pretty sure Lucas himself called it one. But I can’t find it lol
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I think the characters also explored the issue in solo, I mean they're the ones who opt for some impromptu I have no mouth and I must scream surgery on L3. Their conclusion was simply that they didn't particularly care about her existence. Ha ha
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What moral issue do the characters discuss in episode 3 where the movie endorses a correct view that the audience should adopt
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euphronius posted:What moral issue do the characters discuss in episode 3 where the movie endorses a correct view that the audience should adopt
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Being evil is bad
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CelticPredator posted:Being evil is bad Correct Which is why the republic deserved to be overthrown
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Episode 3 is the one where the character decides to endorse a military coup over a (admittedly bad, fossilized) democracy and his eyes turn yellow and he kills kids, yeah?
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Democracy ?
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euphronius posted:Correct Yes. thus it's a morality play
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euphronius posted:Democracy ? Yeah there's the senate chamber with all the planetary reps. It's the place where Yoda has a sick rear end fight with the Emperor and they end up literally hurling the trappings of democracy at each other. It's pretty good!
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Episode 3 is the one where the character decides to endorse a military coup over a (admittedly bad, fossilized) democracy and his eyes turn yellow and he kills kids, yeah? and in his anger strangle his wife to death-ish lol
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I have a different understanding of the word Regardless I seem to have lost the argument so I’ll stop Is this the right thing to do ?
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I was just pointing out that the movie very much has a moral position. I've actually been neutral on the whole thing and think that this is simply a syntactical issue; i.e. you mean something when you say "morality play" that most people don't, so this is making perfect sense to you. I consider Star Wars to be pretty simple in the sense that the bad guy is a huge dude in black and the good guy is a little blue-eyed blonde dude in white, but that kind of signposting doesn't mean that every old "black hat/white hat" western is a morality play. Again I kinda get what you are saying.
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