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Railing Kill
Nov 14, 2008

You are the first crack in the sheer face of god. From you it will spread.

Turbinosamente posted:

I'll back you up on this too, I called looking for a specific older manga, they said they didn't have any of it. Went in person a week later, there was two random volumes of it on the shelf, so they didn't even do a token look. Also needing to have the shop closed on mondays to do inventory is a bit weird, one would think you'd want to want to do that poo poo before or after business hours to maximize the time you are open to the public. I haven't gone back there in at least a couple of years.

But yes let's move on to weird old tcgs. Was that strange Tomb Raider one covered? I had a starter deck but got rid of it without even giving it a try. It seemed to kinda operate on that middle ground between tcg and card based board game. Also, have I asked about the Inuyasha tcg in here? I might have, I'm running into the end of my knowledge of weird cardboard crap.

There seemed to be a period toward the tail end of the fringe CCG heyday, say, ~1999, where seemingly every anime had its own separate card game. Before VS, apparently no one thought, "this IP can't support a game on its own and we should probably smash like twelve of these together and make a go of it." I never played any anime CCG except DBZ, but I would put that one in a different category, both in terms of the popularity of the IP and the game itself. Maybe that's what Inuyasha, Sailor Moon, etc. were trying to become.

This reminds me that I should probably get around to doing a writeup for .hack and DBZ, unless someone else wants to take the reigns on those. I played both for a while, but I'm pretty rusty.

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Kalko
Oct 9, 2004

I would love to hear more about the Tomb Raider CCG if anyone has some experience with it. My random google turned up this:

https://tombraider.fandom.com/wiki/Tomb_Raider_Collectible_Card_Game

It has a bunch of card images and, well, that is certainly an eclectic bunch of art styles. The ones taken from game screenshots did not age well.

Also, there's this:



Just call me Mr Suit.

Turbinosamente
May 29, 2013

Lights on, Lights off
That's part of my minor annoyance with the Inuyasha card game, all the art is just screenshots from the anime with text applied over it and it looks pretty bland. I think it's because they didn't even do the basics like isolate characters off the background of the tv show. And as an idiot who collects more than plays tcgs, Inuyasha doesn't give me an excuse of cool art, so I never picked it up.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

It might have been talked about before but I remember Ani-Mayhem, the first anime CCG which was basically a game using everything from I believe Pioneer at the time. Tenchi Muyo, El-Hazard, stuff like that. Never got to play it but have some cards floating around, or at least I did at one time.

PuttyKnife
Jan 2, 2006

Despair brings the puttyknife down.

Gynovore posted:

1) Go here https://www.ccgtrader.net/games/xxxenophile-ccg/xxxenophile (very mildly NSFW)

2) Read through all the XXXenophile cards and have a good laugh.

3) You have now had 99% of the enjoyment that's to be had from XXXenophile.

So, back in like 1996-1998 a friend and I ran a ton of magic tournaments up in northwest Ohio. We were based in Tiffin Ohio and we had tournaments in Port Clinton, Findlay, Bellevue, Tiffin, Sandusky, and Toledo. We had a long grand prix where folks were gathering points and things and we'd have a final tournament for a Black Lotus at the mall in Tiffin. Along the way, the first pro tour was coming through and it had a moment in Sandusky Ohio.

At that pro tour in Sandusky, I competed and won a tournament for the original Netrunner and Guardians. We also bought an absolute ton of the x-files ccg as it had just crashed and was like 10bux a booster box.

At some point during this tournament, the dude I was running these with meets the Foglios and gets a beta kit for the game. He still has it. I think we played maybe 10 or 11 times. The game was bland and mostly just seemed a vehicle for the foglios to make some side cash on their art in the same way that like Spellfire was for TSR.

Outside of that, the game is mostly there as a porn-oriented ccg of which I don't know of another.

PuttyKnife
Jan 2, 2006

Despair brings the puttyknife down.
So, there's something weird that is happening with a couple old TSR collectible games.

Spellfire is a weird game in the collectible card game realm. TSR saw Magic making tons of money and all the clones and said, "We can do a CCG without copying magic." It's kind of an interesting game for that reason. But then WOTC bought TSR and that game disappeared.

That is, until someone bought the mechanics and began to reprint it as a sort of crypto front: https://spellfire.com/

I am interested in the reprint and i'm interested in this sort of hybrid digital/physical game but for the life of me I cannot get past the crypto/NFT poo poo. It sends so many red flags and the discord server is almost always talking about the crypto over the game.

This isn't too abnormal but then the other TSR collectible game is also still in print: Dragon Dice.

I was in a shop in Boston back in like 2017 or so and was meeting a friend who was on my dissertation committee. I look down and I see a bunch of starters and boosters of Dragon Dice. However, rather than their being old kickers and starters, it's got a weird brand on the cover and the art is totally different. It's some company called SFR: https://www.dragondice.com/dragondice.php.

The nice thing about this reprint is that all of the new dice and all of the old dice are compatible. They can do this because there's no copyrightable text or art on the dice themselves and they could just reprint or re-issue those things like the battlefields that might have had art.

They've also ran some kickstarters: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sfr/dragon-dice-frostwings-reprint

These are two games I loved back in the 90s that are seemingly being reprinted and replayed. I know Jyhad / Vampire also got a reprint but are there any other old forgotten CCGs that got reprinted?

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



PuttyKnife posted:

So, there's something weird that is happening with a couple old TSR collectible games.

Spellfire is a weird game in the collectible card game realm. TSR saw Magic making tons of money and all the clones and said, "We can do a CCG without copying magic." It's kind of an interesting game for that reason. But then WOTC bought TSR and that game disappeared.

That is, until someone bought the mechanics and began to reprint it as a sort of crypto front: https://spellfire.com/

I am interested in the reprint and i'm interested in this sort of hybrid digital/physical game but for the life of me I cannot get past the crypto/NFT poo poo. It sends so many red flags and the discord server is almost always talking about the crypto over the game.

Limited Pack posted:

A treasure trove reserved only for the most devoted players and discerning collectors, this pack promises not just rare cards but artifacts of legends, whispered about in hallowed gaming halls and sought after by every Spellfire enthusiast.

Five cards inside. This Limited Booster Pack guarantees one Super Rare card, with a chance for Epic and Legendary cards.

The cards from this booster pack aren’t merely for gameplay; they’re assets. Each card holds significant resale value, with some potentially fetching astronomical prices in the collectors’ market.

:catstare:

€99. €99 for 5 cards. And they even list the "drop rates" of the cards.



Yeah, this is something specifically meant to seperate idiots from their money, and combined with the crypto-sounding stuff, definitely sounds like a pump-and-dump.

Elblanco
May 26, 2008
They were ahead of their time!

Volkova III
Jan 5, 2021

Wowie kazowie, that's only nineteen hundred and eighty pounds to have a *checks math* slightly less than two-thirds chance of getting a single Legendary! What a steal!

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer

PuttyKnife posted:

So, there's something weird that is happening with a couple old TSR collectible games.

Spellfire is a weird game in the collectible card game realm. TSR saw Magic making tons of money and all the clones and said, "We can do a CCG without copying magic." It's kind of an interesting game for that reason. But then WOTC bought TSR and that game disappeared.

That is, until someone bought the mechanics and began to reprint it as a sort of crypto front: https://spellfire.com/

I am interested in the reprint and i'm interested in this sort of hybrid digital/physical game but for the life of me I cannot get past the crypto/NFT poo poo. It sends so many red flags and the discord server is almost always talking about the crypto over the game.

This isn't too abnormal but then the other TSR collectible game is also still in print: Dragon Dice.

I was in a shop in Boston back in like 2017 or so and was meeting a friend who was on my dissertation committee. I look down and I see a bunch of starters and boosters of Dragon Dice. However, rather than their being old kickers and starters, it's got a weird brand on the cover and the art is totally different. It's some company called SFR: https://www.dragondice.com/dragondice.php.

The nice thing about this reprint is that all of the new dice and all of the old dice are compatible. They can do this because there's no copyrightable text or art on the dice themselves and they could just reprint or re-issue those things like the battlefields that might have had art.

They've also ran some kickstarters: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sfr/dragon-dice-frostwings-reprint

These are two games I loved back in the 90s that are seemingly being reprinted and replayed. I know Jyhad / Vampire also got a reprint but are there any other old forgotten CCGs that got reprinted?

I saw an ad for Spellfire in a magazine - Scrye or InQuest - that offered to mail you a pack if you mailed them a pack of Magic, if my memory is correct. Instead I bought a starter of Spellfire from the mall. At the time I thought it was a spin-off of Magic for some reason. But the game was so complex my friends and I couldn't understand it, and it became a running joke for a while.

Dragon Dice is awesome. I still use the d8s from that game that have numbers on them. The other symbol dice I threw out long ago.

Speaking of reused licenses, I saw someone is bringing back Marvel Overpower... without Marvel. Apparently they might have licenses for other IPs soon, but right now it's generic stuff.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".




drat, as if the truth of "TCGs are just socially acceptable lootboxes" wasn't enforced enough. :catstare:

Parkreiner
Oct 29, 2011

Dawgstar posted:

It might have been talked about before but I remember Ani-Mayhem, the first anime CCG which was basically a game using everything from I believe Pioneer at the time. Tenchi Muyo, El-Hazard, stuff like that. Never got to play it but have some cards floating around, or at least I did at one time.

If nothing else Ani-Mayhem deserves to remembered for the card Frothy Mug Of Water, which changes the rules of the game to reflect American TV censorship.

Railing Kill
Nov 14, 2008

You are the first crack in the sheer face of god. From you it will spread.
My wife hated the Spellfire novel. She was horrified to find out there was a CCG for it.

I can't wait to show her this.

PuttyKnife
Jan 2, 2006

Despair brings the puttyknife down.

LifeLynx posted:

I saw an ad for Spellfire in a magazine - Scrye or InQuest - that offered to mail you a pack if you mailed them a pack of Magic, if my memory is correct. Instead I bought a starter of Spellfire from the mall. At the time I thought it was a spin-off of Magic for some reason. But the game was so complex my friends and I couldn't understand it, and it became a running joke for a while.

Dragon Dice is awesome. I still use the d8s from that game that have numbers on them. The other symbol dice I threw out long ago.

Speaking of reused licenses, I saw someone is bringing back Marvel Overpower... without Marvel. Apparently they might have licenses for other IPs soon, but right now it's generic stuff.

Overpower was a wild game and its one of the only ones I haven't bought a ton of. I can't imagine it being disconnected from the Marvel IP at all. Did they just create a whole new cadre of comic book heroes?

Oh, it's even weirder than I figured it would be: https://overpower.ca/rebirth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLm4IoMwbYs

It's sort of like what they did to the Jyhad reprint but a bit more limited...but what an idea. Print cards that fix issues with the original game and have folks go buy the original stuff.

PuttyKnife fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Jan 4, 2024

John Romero
Jul 6, 2003

John Romero got made a bitch

PuttyKnife posted:

Overpower was a wild game and its one of the only ones I haven't bought a ton of. I can't imagine it being disconnected from the Marvel IP at all. Did they just create a whole new cadre of comic book heroes?

Oh, it's even weirder than I figured it would be: https://overpower.ca/rebirth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLm4IoMwbYs

It's sort of like what they did to the Jyhad reprint but a bit more limited...but what an idea. Print cards that fix issues with the original game and have folks go buy the original stuff.

that’s so sick

bring back fight klub next i want to buy a kilo of pickle Rick or whatever

hyphz
Aug 5, 2003

Number 1 Nerd Tear Farmer 2022.

Keep it up, champ.

Also you're a skeleton warrior now. Kree.
Unlockable Ben

Parkreiner posted:

If nothing else Ani-Mayhem deserves to remembered for the card Frothy Mug Of Water, which changes the rules of the game to reflect American TV censorship.

There’s an ani-mayhem write up upthread. Check the top post.

Railing Kill
Nov 14, 2008

You are the first crack in the sheer face of god. From you it will spread.

Railing Kill posted:

My wife hated the Spellfire novel. She was horrified to find out there was a CCG for it.

I can't wait to show her this.

Update: she's mad now lol

Railing Kill
Nov 14, 2008

You are the first crack in the sheer face of god. From you it will spread.
Also: I got a preorder in for the FFTCG 2024 Anniversary box, plus a few dual starter packs (FFIV, FFVII, and FFXIV). I figure the starters will give me good bases to use the 2022 and 2024 boxes to build out from. From there, I might just hunt for singles to make a FFVI themed deck.

PuttyKnife
Jan 2, 2006

Despair brings the puttyknife down.

Railing Kill posted:

Also: I got a preorder in for the FFTCG 2024 Anniversary box, plus a few dual starter packs (FFIV, FFVII, and FFXIV). I figure the starters will give me good bases to use the 2022 and 2024 boxes to build out from. From there, I might just hunt for singles to make a FFVI themed deck.

If you need some help, this has some nice deck lists: https://ffdecks.com/

Also, the game exists on OCTGN and folks play periodically.

John Romero
Jul 6, 2003

John Romero got made a bitch

Railing Kill posted:

Also: I got a preorder in for the FFTCG 2024 Anniversary box, plus a few dual starter packs (FFIV, FFVII, and FFXIV). I figure the starters will give me good bases to use the 2022 and 2024 boxes to build out from. From there, I might just hunt for singles to make a FFVI themed deck.

the cards in the shinra v avalanche deck are worth some money if that’s what you mean

maybe there should be an fftcg thread

John Romero
Jul 6, 2003

John Romero got made a bitch
why are people losing their poo poo over the one piece game

PuttyKnife
Jan 2, 2006

Despair brings the puttyknife down.

John Romero posted:

why are people losing their poo poo over the one piece game

The IP is hot right now and it’s not a bad game so scalping is back on the menu.

Elblanco
May 26, 2008
on top of that, there's like a million alt art cards of women so you got your waifu bullshit in there too.

Turbinosamente
May 29, 2013

Lights on, Lights off
Yeah isn't One Piece supposed to end soon? It's probably last hurrah hype as the series wraps.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Turbinosamente posted:

Yeah isn't One Piece supposed to end soon? It's probably last hurrah hype as the series wraps.

Well "end" and "soon" are both kind of relative but then you've also got the live action being a hit. Will Netflix let it continue past this next season? Who's to say but it's still got legs.

PuttyKnife
Jan 2, 2006

Despair brings the puttyknife down.

Turbinosamente posted:

Yeah isn't One Piece supposed to end soon? It's probably last hurrah hype as the series wraps.

By 2030. But yeah, the final saga began this month.

Elblanco
May 26, 2008

PuttyKnife posted:

By 2030. But yeah, the final saga began this month.

This month in the anime, the current arc has been going on for like 6 months in the manga.

Turbinosamente
May 29, 2013

Lights on, Lights off
Google is telling me that Oda said he was going wrap up the manga in 2024 or 2025. Though it will take some time for that to trickle through to the anime and live action I suppose.

Elblanco
May 26, 2008
Yea it's not ending this year, the only thing he's said recently is that we're in the final saga, which started with the most recent arc last summer.

John Romero
Jul 6, 2003

John Romero got made a bitch
How is it possible that there is a final fantasy card game that is fun as poo poo to play, has every character ever in multiple art and playstyles, feels premium and stores have but nobody fuckin plays it and few have heard of it???

it looks like square handles all the promotion and communications, is hobby Japan just their distributor?

Railing Kill
Nov 14, 2008

You are the first crack in the sheer face of god. From you it will spread.

John Romero posted:

How is it possible that there is a final fantasy card game that is fun as poo poo to play, has every character ever in multiple art and playstyles, feels premium and stores have but nobody fuckin plays it and few have heard of it???

it looks like square handles all the promotion and communications, is hobby Japan just their distributor?

:same:

I got in touch with my buddy who runs the biggest/best game store in my state and he had heard of it but didn't carry it. He was able to order the 2024 box and a few starter pairs for me as a special order, but I was genuinely surprised he didn't already carry it. It might be like VTES where if you're near a major metro area there's a robust tournament scene, but otherwise it's just an underground thing (at least, in the US). My state doesn't even have a major metro area. Our biggest city is only like 100k people and it's 20 minutes from his shop. :shrug:

John Romero
Jul 6, 2003

John Romero got made a bitch

Railing Kill posted:

:same:

I got in touch with my buddy who runs the biggest/best game store in my state and he had heard of it but didn't carry it. He was able to order the 2024 box and a few starter pairs for me as a special order, but I was genuinely surprised he didn't already carry it. It might be like VTES where if you're near a major metro area there's a robust tournament scene, but otherwise it's just an underground thing (at least, in the US). My state doesn't even have a major metro area. Our biggest city is only like 100k people and it's 20 minutes from his shop. :shrug:

yeah it seems like it's big in the carolinas????

I had mentioned earlier in this thread there were events happening around here but that was some bad information I was given. the closest I could find is that thres like 3 stores that actually sell it and a fb group of four people that no one has touched in 4 years

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



John Romero posted:

yeah it seems like it's big in the carolinas????

Yeah my locals might as well be "US nationals incubator". :v:

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

John Romero posted:

yeah it seems like it's big in the carolinas????

I had mentioned earlier in this thread there were events happening around here but that was some bad information I was given. the closest I could find is that thres like 3 stores that actually sell it and a fb group of four people that no one has touched in 4 years

I don't know if he still does but one of the head guys for the game at least used to live in SC.

John Romero
Jul 6, 2003

John Romero got made a bitch
Its not helpful at all that their event locator doesn’t have a proximity search at least on the mobile version. It’s just a list of events that doesn’t specify where the events are unless you click in to them. You can search only by city, so I guess what they want me to do is to search every city by name within 100 miles of me and hope for the best

John Romero
Jul 6, 2003

John Romero got made a bitch
tip for finding dead ccgs in the real world: go to dusty sports card shops, ones that either don’t sell ccgs or only maybe sell magic and Pokémon with no on-site play. a lot of them bought a bunch of dumb poo poo in the nineties and due to the nature of their business just still have it sitting around in a back room next to baseball and hockey cards from the same era.

“Hey these say $6 a booster but there is 4 layers of dust on them, I’ll give you $20 for a box” will get you a long way

PuttyKnife
Jan 2, 2006

Despair brings the puttyknife down.

John Romero posted:

tip for finding dead ccgs in the real world: go to dusty sports card shops, ones that either don’t sell ccgs or only maybe sell magic and Pokémon with no on-site play. a lot of them bought a bunch of dumb poo poo in the nineties and due to the nature of their business just still have it sitting around in a back room next to baseball and hockey cards from the same era.

“Hey these say $6 a booster but there is 4 layers of dust on them, I’ll give you $20 for a box” will get you a long way

I bought a whole case of the Dune CCG booster boxes for 150 at a store like that. I should’ve gone back for Sim City and that martial arts one I can’t remember it.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

Forget your RoboCoX or your StickyCoX or your EvilCoX, MY CoX has Blinking Bewbs!

WHY IS THIS GAME DEAD?!

John Romero posted:

tip for finding dead ccgs in the real world: go to dusty sports card shops, ones that either don’t sell ccgs or only maybe sell magic and Pokémon with no on-site play. a lot of them bought a bunch of dumb poo poo in the nineties and due to the nature of their business just still have it sitting around in a back room next to baseball and hockey cards from the same era.

They're dead now, but KB Toys used to have a policy of never sending back items, they would just mark them down forever. I bought three booster boxes of Battlecards in '99 or so for $10 a box.

PuttyKnife
Jan 2, 2006

Despair brings the puttyknife down.
Random rear end question but does anyone know of a cube list for Garfield’s Battletech CCG?

Or Overpower?

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Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

Forget your RoboCoX or your StickyCoX or your EvilCoX, MY CoX has Blinking Bewbs!

WHY IS THIS GAME DEAD?!

PuttyKnife posted:

Random rear end question but does anyone know of a cube list for Garfield’s Battletech CCG?

I really, really don't think anyone is playing this nowadays. At all.

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