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mycot
Oct 23, 2014

"It's okay. There are other Terminators! Just give us this one!"
Hell Gem
Back in my day kids cut their teeth on scam monetization through the guy at the bank offering to trade rune for gold.

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Mix.
Jan 24, 2021

Huh? What?


The Saddest Rhino posted:

Something that has struck me as particularly insane in the mobile gatcha game community (community... lol...) is that Cookie Run, the very early 10s infinite runner game featuring the rude gingerbread man from Shrek with the trademark filed off, is not only not an infinite runner but some kind of auto-clicking RPG now featuring tons of characters - all the gingerbread man - but with different hair and costumes and voice packs you collect via gatcha ways, and it has of all things, shipping discourse (unrelated to maritime arbitration). A loving gingerbread running game!

You forgot to mention how many people want to gently caress the cookies

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Mix. posted:

You forgot to mention how many people want to gently caress the cookies

quote:

Ancient Cookies are obtainable through all Cookie Gachas with a 0.054% chance of being pulled

:lol: and :lmao:

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



A long time back I watched a couple of Henry's Kitchen (think someone deliberately doing Masaokis)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNSXQsP-VQY

and today the latest episode has appeared on. my recommendations. It's neat that smaller creators still are doing their thing, almost a decade later, in the same style, still depressed and making the worst bread known to the human race

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u30Dv28rf7M

Unperson_47
Oct 14, 2007



Ever wanted to watch someone 3D print a toilet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PKMT_m6wyw

Famethrowa
Oct 5, 2012

mycot posted:

Back in my day kids cut their teeth on scam monetization through the guy at the bank offering to trade rune for gold.

wave2: follow for free armor trimming

BizarroAzrael
Apr 6, 2006

"That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."
Important;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYxpLIByB30

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

When I want to relax, I read an essay by Engels. When I want something more serious, I read Corto Maltese.


Does anyone know of a good summary going into further detail re. feminism in South Korea?

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?

ZenMasterBullshit posted:

Sorry you didn't pull your wife from the banner OP. I got her on the first pull with free currency. Skill issue.

I've never installed or played a gacha game and I never will.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?

The 7th Guest posted:

i think artists work on gacha games in order to pay their bills, op

lots of people take on unethical jobs to pay their bills. We make endless excuses for people who sell out and exploit others, first or secondhand, to make a living. Strangely, no matter how many excuses we make, things don't seem to be improving.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

DoctorWhat posted:

lots of people take on unethical jobs to pay their bills. We make endless excuses for people who sell out and exploit others, first or secondhand, to make a living. Strangely, no matter how many excuses we make, things don't seem to be improving.

:ok:

Gravitas Shortfall
Jul 17, 2007

Utility is seven-eighths Proximity.


DoctorWhat posted:

lots of people take on unethical jobs to pay their bills. We make endless excuses for people who sell out and exploit others, first or secondhand, to make a living. Strangely, no matter how many excuses we make, things don't seem to be improving.

this is why I make sure all my consumption is absolutely, 100% ethical

Catgirl Al Capone
Dec 15, 2007

DoctorWhat posted:

lots of people take on unethical jobs to pay their bills. We make endless excuses for people who sell out and exploit others, first or secondhand, to make a living. Strangely, no matter how many excuses we make, things don't seem to be improving.

whats your job then, what are the lofty heights these people living on ramen and prayers should aspire to

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

mycot posted:

The Fortnite model isn't really lootbox or gacha, it's just FOMO because everything (the battlepass, the rotating store, seasonal events, crossovers) is time limited so you feel like you have to sink time/money into the game or you're going to fall behind. Which CAN be combined with gacha mechanics like Genshin Impact, which has most of the things mentioned :v:

The largest complaint of new Fortnite players I've seen, being sort of one myself, is all the stuff they missed in old battle passes. Epic seems torn between figuring out a way to bring them back (money) or not (no money but people whine).

I also read some rules China is making rumblings of instituting that would... sort of gut some aspect of gacha games and did not sound like the worst thing in the world. That said, free Tibet.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?

Catgirl Al Capone posted:

whats your job then, what are the lofty heights these people living on ramen and prayers should aspire to

I support children with disabilities in the public school system.

Clerical Terrors
Apr 24, 2016

I'm so tired, I'm so very tired
What if one of those children grows up to become an artist on a gacha game though.

Catgirl Al Capone
Dec 15, 2007

DoctorWhat posted:

I support children with disabilities in the public school system.

can’t believe you’d work in a job that supports a pedagogy designed to serve capitalism smh

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

Are there casinos I can f2p? Sounds pretty badass if so.

ZenMasterBullshit
Nov 2, 2011

Restaurant de Nouvelles "À Table" Proudly Presents:
A Climactic Encounter Ending on 1 Negate and a Dream

DoctorWhat posted:

I've never installed or played a gacha game and I never will.

OP failed to pull their wife and uninstalled. Sad to see.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?

Sleng Teng posted:

Are there casinos I can f2p? Sounds pretty badass if so.

I don't know if you've been paying attention to the state of sports gambling apps in the USA, but they are also giving people free "pulls" and bonus bets. Dark patterns are everywhere and they're designed to prey on people.

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

DoctorWhat posted:

I don't know if you've been paying attention to the state of sports gambling apps in the USA, but they are also giving people free "pulls" and bonus bets. Dark patterns are everywhere and they're designed to prey on people.

Do you hear any planes flying overhead by chance?

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

DoctorWhat posted:

I don't know if you've been paying attention to the state of sports gambling apps in the USA, but they are also giving people free "pulls" and bonus bets. Dark patterns are everywhere and they're designed to prey on people.

Much like your posting.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?
I don't know what that insinuation is supposed to mean.

I didn't know SomethingAwful had such an active pro-casino caucus.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

DoctorWhat posted:

I don't know if you've been paying attention to the state of sports gambling apps in the USA, but they are also giving people free "pulls" and bonus bets. Dark patterns are everywhere and they're designed to prey on people.

Like "hey, for only :10bux: you can post on Something Awful dot com a forum created by a serial spousal abuser but it's fine for me, I have a righteous job." :smugdog:

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

DoctorWhat posted:

I don't know what that insinuation is supposed to mean.

I didn't know SomethingAwful had such an active pro-casino caucus.

Yup. I love casinos, gambling, and bilking poor people out of money.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?
You guys are actively not comprehending the meaning of "dark patterns". Dark patterns are a system of manipulative tactics designed to encourage addictive and irresponsible behavior in a susceptible population. Gacha, FOMO, free casino chips, etc. I know the wider world sees addicts as pathetic subhumans but I expected more from SA, for what I now realize are totally ridiculous reasons.

Gravitas Shortfall
Jul 17, 2007

Utility is seven-eighths Proximity.


DoctorWhat posted:

You guys are actively not comprehending the meaning of "dark patterns". Dark patterns are a system of manipulative tactics designed to encourage addictive and irresponsible behavior in a susceptible population. Gacha, FOMO, free casino chips, etc. I know the wider world sees addicts as pathetic subhumans but I expected more from SA, for what I now realize are totally ridiculous reasons.

I think the important thing here is to blame the low level employees of those kind of jobs. They're evil and should die.

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

We get that gacha and gambling are bad we just think you're annoying and kind of an rear end in a top hat

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

I am mocking you for not understanding that I was making a joke OP. The patterns are not lost on anyone.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Runa posted:

We get that gacha and gambling are bad we just think you're annoying and kind of an rear end in a top hat

:hai:

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



Be less Walter sobchak, and more the dude

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

The Saddest Rhino posted:

Be less Walter sobchak, and more the dude

I’m sorry which gacha characters are those? :troll:

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?

Sleng Teng posted:

I am mocking you for not understanding that I was making a joke OP. The patterns are not lost on anyone.

I understood that you were making some kind of joke but it was so obtuse (an allusion to paranoid schizophrenia? Chemtrails?) that litigating it was not worth my time.

I don't believe that artists for gacha games should starve and die, but at a certain point we have to acknowledge that people who compromise their values for money are, in fact, compromising their values.

Like, I live in the imperial core. At a fundamental level, my taxpayer-funded paycheck is underwritten by the mass immiseration of the global south. But I'm not going on social media posting about how proud I am to work as an extension of the US-MIC and telling all my friends to buy war bonds for the next SSR event. Gacha artists should at least feel shame for the predatory practices they enable.

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



Can you imagine a coen brother gatcha and all the worst nerds would be climbing over each other trying to get the Chigurh skin

TheFlyingLlama
Jan 2, 2013

You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and be a llama?



DoctorWhat posted:

You guys are actively not comprehending the meaning of "dark patterns". Dark patterns are a system of manipulative tactics designed to encourage addictive and irresponsible behavior in a susceptible population. Gacha, FOMO, free casino chips, etc. I know the wider world sees addicts as pathetic subhumans but I expected more from SA, for what I now realize are totally ridiculous reasons.

I mean, when you start with a hot take like

DoctorWhat posted:

Working on a gatcha game is a lot like working for a casino, in that it's a completely evil job to have and the ghouls who choose it for a living can only do so because they see the victims of that casino as subhumans and feast on their corpses.

people tend to assume you're not arguing in good faith and respond accordingly.


DoctorWhat posted:

Gacha artists should at least feel shame for the predatory practices they enable.

But actually taking the argument in good faith; Is the artist who gets told "hey you're working on the gacha game we're developing now get drawing" just supposed to quit their job or go on strike or what?

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

DoctorWhat posted:

I understood that you were making some kind of joke but it was so obtuse (an allusion to paranoid schizophrenia? Chemtrails?) that litigating it was not worth my time.

I don't believe that artists for gacha games should starve and die, but at a certain point we have to acknowledge that people who compromise their values for money are, in fact, compromising their values.

Like, I live in the imperial core. At a fundamental level, my taxpayer-funded paycheck is underwritten by the mass immiseration of the global south. But I'm not going on social media posting about how proud I am to work as an extension of the US-MIC and telling all my friends to buy war bonds for the next SSR event. Gacha artists should at least feel shame for the predatory practices they enable.

Stop writing things like this. Holy God you're insufferable.

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.

DoctorWhat posted:

I understood that you were making some kind of joke but it was so obtuse (an allusion to paranoid schizophrenia? Chemtrails?) that litigating it was not worth my time.

I don't believe that artists for gacha games should starve and die, but at a certain point we have to acknowledge that people who compromise their values for money are, in fact, compromising their values.

Like, I live in the imperial core. At a fundamental level, my taxpayer-funded paycheck is underwritten by the mass immiseration of the global south. But I'm not going on social media posting about how proud I am to work as an extension of the US-MIC and telling all my friends to buy war bonds for the next SSR event. Gacha artists should at least feel shame for the predatory practices they enable.

Was anyone saying they were proud to work at a gacha game dev? All I saw people talk about is how they'd like it if women didn't receive death threats or risked losing their jobs for years old vaguely pro-woman social media posts or other arbitrary poo poo that enrages incels.

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.

DoctorWhat posted:

I support children with disabilities in the public school system.

*nods* government worker

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.

Clerical Terrors posted:

What if one of those children grows up to become an artist on a gacha game though.

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DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?
Yes. People who work in evil industries should quit their jobs. People shouldn't be cops, they shouldn't be military contractors, and they shouldn't work for casinos.

Yes, capitalism manipulates people into unethical positions. It extorts people into participating in systems of evil. But that doesn't make the systems less evil or less in need of dismantling, sabotage, and down tools.

No one lives up to all their moral obligations. Lord knows I don't. We all fail to be perfect, and most of us fail to be particularly good. But we still need some ideas to guide us away from absolute soullessness.

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