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This has probably been asked before but when this is all said and done, can trump point to all of habba's blunders and stupid moves, and ask for a mistrial because she's clearly incompetent and he barely knows her anyway
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Jan 25, 2024 21:24
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rotinaj posted:Twitter is gonna be an unusable sea of garbage Trump has posted on Twitter all of one single time since January 2021
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Jan 25, 2024 21:26
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Coolguye posted:nah. this is all still grandstanding. even before any soldiers actually get involved, or any federalizing orders get issued, the courts are well equipped to handle stuff like this. there's soft power that can be applied to the SCOTX to basically tell them "chill this idiot out or when we chill him out for you, you're also going down for not doing your jobs." there's hard judicial power that can be applied in bringing sedition charges against him and ordering him to surrender to FBI custody. there's funding cuts and circumventions to put federal programs in charge of more day to day operations over state ones (federal takeovers of nonfunctional state services happen more frequently than anyone wants to admit). Okay but what if one of these people sent from another state gets it in their head that it's okay to shoot and kills someone trying to enter the country before any of this?
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Jan 25, 2024 21:26
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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean the question is is the army willing to put them down. You shouldn’t take that as a guarentee why shouldn't we precisely? what basis do you have for thinking that you will see a mass defection of command talent, materiel, and manpower that would give the joint chiefs pause? what makes you think that army regulars would popularly mutiny and refuse to fight an open revolt?
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Jan 25, 2024 21:26
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pixaal posted:Okay but what if one of these people sent from another state gets it in their head that it's okay to shoot and kills someone trying to enter the country before any of this? while tragic, that would have nothing to do with a breakdown of federal power, which is what i was commenting on.
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Jan 25, 2024 21:27
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pixaal posted:Okay but what if one of these people sent from another state gets it in their head that it's okay to shoot and kills someone trying to enter the country before any of this? We ignore it like we have every time it has happened before? I think some CBP guys went to trial and then got acquitted last time.
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Jan 25, 2024 21:27
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rotinaj posted:Twitter is gonna be an unusable sea of garbage And that's new because...?
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Jan 25, 2024 21:28
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Coolguye posted:why shouldn't we precisely? what basis do you have for thinking that you will see a mass defection of command talent, materiel, and manpower that would give the joint chiefs pause? what makes you think that army regulars would popularly mutiny and refuse to fight an open revolt?
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Jan 25, 2024 21:28
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Coolguye posted:why shouldn't we precisely? what basis do you have for thinking that you will see a mass defection of command talent, materiel, and manpower that would give the joint chiefs pause? what makes you think that army regulars would popularly mutiny and refuse to fight an open revolt? I figure most US soldiers probably don't want to shoot US citizens.
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Jan 25, 2024 21:29
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kazil posted:I figure most US soldiers probably don't want to shoot US citizens.
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Jan 25, 2024 21:30
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rotinaj posted:Twitter is gonna be an unusable sea of garbage Trump doesn't use Twitter
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Jan 25, 2024 21:30
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kazil posted:I figure most US soldiers probably don't want to shoot US citizens. Until you also consider how many US solders become cops when they get out.
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Jan 25, 2024 21:30
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Jelly posted:I'm just standing on the sidelines here, but what basis do you have for thinking they won't? kazil posted:I figure most US soldiers probably don't want to shoot US citizens.
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Jan 25, 2024 21:31
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rotinaj posted:Twitter is gonna be an unusable sea of garbage No modern pro wrestling fans are going to melt down over Vince and Brock getting their just desserts
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Jan 25, 2024 21:31
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Coolguye posted:why shouldn't we precisely? what basis do you have for thinking that you will see a mass defection of command talent, materiel, and manpower that would give the joint chiefs pause? what makes you think that army regulars would popularly mutiny and refuse to fight an open revolt? I think it’s much more likely the army is sympathetic and just prefers to not get involved. Because that’s how these things work. How the army goes is how these events go.
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Jan 25, 2024 21:32
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WHY BONER NOW posted:This has probably been asked before but when this is all said and done, can trump point to all of habba's blunders and stupid moves, and ask for a mistrial because she's clearly incompetent and he barely knows her anyway My understanding is that, in civil cases, the bar for that is stupendously high. You would need to show that your lawyer was surreptitiously acting as the opposite party's attorney, or something of similarly blatant magnitude. In other word, Alina Habba might be one of the few lawyers to whom this ends up happening. But not for this case, lol
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Jan 25, 2024 21:32
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Coolguye posted:the years long and constantly ongoing indoctrination every soldier gets to protect the united states from all threats, within and without. it starts in Basic and never stops until you get out. I've met one modern military guy who isn't a chud, so it's possible my worldview is pretty skewed.
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Jan 25, 2024 21:33
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MrQwerty posted:No modern pro wrestling fans are going to melt down over Vince and Brock getting their just desserts There are whole threads in psp chronicling the shittiest dudes on twitter melting down over other dumb wrestling poo poo, Vince being fingered as a monster will definitely cause it And yes, I know trump himself doesn’t use Twitter anymore, but he will instantly have his truths turned into tweets by a dozen people who work for him, and a hundred who hate him And all the usual suspects are going to be even worse in banging on about this baseless trial Gonna be real bad soc-med
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Jan 25, 2024 21:34
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Okay this is even too much for me. There is no way the military openly rebels against the country in any large number. The threat of fort Leavenworth and a court martial is very serious. This would make what the Jan 6 defendants are getting look like a slap on the wrist. Maybe one or two yahoos but not mass insurrection here.
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Jan 25, 2024 21:34
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kazil posted:uh, Florida joined them That contentious border dispute with the Bahamas.
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Jan 25, 2024 21:35
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CharlestheHammer posted:I think it’s much more likely the army is sympathetic and just prefers to not get involved. so you think that the army is sympathetic to... what exactly, a states rights argument, an immigration argument, an upstart psycho bucking the chain of command? didn't this literal exact same argument get used to explain in late 2020 that no, trump absolutely could do a coup, because the army is clearly full of jackbooted fascists because that's how the army is? you know, a few months before documents were released that made it clear every single senior commander in the army absolutely loving hated trump, thought he was a nazi, and used their short-form marching orders to say "nazis are bad, and that's why trump needs to go"?
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Jan 25, 2024 21:36
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Jelly posted:They have been brainwashed into thinking they're serving a usurper and the real CIC is a crime lord. Hasn't it been noted that military bases play right-wing propaganda like 24/7 on every available television? no. not even close.
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Jan 25, 2024 21:36
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Coolguye posted:so you think that the army is sympathetic to... what exactly, a states rights argument, an immigration argument, an upstart psycho bucking the chain of command? I think the army is very sympathetic to the border stuff because a lot of Americans are very sympathetic to it. Also there is a big difference between participating in a coup and refusing to actively suppress something they really don’t care about
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Jan 25, 2024 21:39
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rotinaj posted:the shittiest dudes on twitter Oh ok
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Jan 25, 2024 21:39
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Jelly posted:They have been brainwashed into thinking they're serving a usurper and the real CIC is a crime lord. Hasn't it been noted that military bases play right-wing propaganda like 24/7 on every available television? *shrug* Stop by GiP some time. Bet you'd be surprised. Some of them might be right here, in this very thread!
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Jan 25, 2024 21:40
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I admittedly get really emotionally charged when talking about this stuff (cops and military) and get extra stupid so you can probably discount all my reasoning and it's good to hear your comments
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Jan 25, 2024 21:40
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Yeah I think y’all need to talk to more veterans because I never got the idea from talking to any of them that they would be on board with disobeying direct orders regardless of personal feelings.
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Jan 25, 2024 21:42
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This thread being how I found out Vince is in another world of trouble is a delight. It's a bad day for participants of WrestleMania 23.
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Jan 25, 2024 21:42
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WHY BONER NOW posted:This has probably been asked before but when this is all said and done, can trump point to all of habba's blunders and stupid moves, and ask for a mistrial because she's clearly incompetent and he barely knows her anyway no, lol.
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Jan 25, 2024 21:43
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PKMN Trainer Red posted:This thread being how I found out Vince is in another world of trouble is a delight. It's a bad day for participants of WrestleMania 23. If you've got a few hours to kill, and you want your blood pressure to spike, check out the Behind The Bastards episodes on Vince. He deserves so, so much worse.
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Jan 25, 2024 21:44
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CharlestheHammer posted:I think the army is very sympathetic to the border stuff because a lot of Americans are very sympathetic to it. so the army is somehow preferentially picking from this subset of "a lot" of americans, and that's how we turn some subsection into a huge subset that will effectively mutiny against orders? but then they also don't care about the border, and also somehow don't care about the oath to protect america from all enemies, internal and external, that they have drilled into their head morning noon and night? what you are saying comes from a place of extremely deep ignorance and stupidity and is ignoring a lot of really basic facts. or, put shorter: ok, doomer.
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Jan 25, 2024 21:45
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Vire posted:Yeah I think y’all need to talk to more veterans because I never got the idea from talking to any of them that they would be on board with disobeying direct orders regardless of personal feelings. I mean they’ve never been asked to do anything like this before. Like the last time anything close to this was probably the bonus army in the 50s
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Jan 25, 2024 21:45
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CharlestheHammer posted:I think the army is very sympathetic to the border stuff because a lot of Americans are very sympathetic to it. You are treating the army like some pseudo-democratic institution where the leadership has to take the sympathies and opinions of members into account. It is very much not that.
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Jan 25, 2024 21:45
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bird food bathtub posted:If you've got a few hours to kill, and you want your blood pressure to spike, check out the Behind The Bastards episodes on Vince. He deserves so, so much worse. With the one note that Robert could have doubled the length of the series and STILL not cover all the stories that deserved it
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Jan 25, 2024 21:45
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bird food bathtub posted:If you've got a few hours to kill, and you want your blood pressure to spike, check out the Behind The Bastards episodes on Vince. He deserves so, so much worse. Huge recommend on this by the time you get to him covering up the first murder they’re only half way through the series gently caress that guy
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Jan 25, 2024 21:46
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rotinaj posted:Twitter is gonna be an unusable sea of garbage Serial sexual assaulter AND close personal friend of one Donald J. Trump (who appeared on some of WWE's shows), don't forget
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Jan 25, 2024 21:46
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Definitely. They are lots of good current and former military on SA and several ITT, including me. Not chuds. But LOL imagine a small group of chud military folks trying something stupid which inevitably fails. Then, they get it from both the DOJ and UCMJ and there’s no double jeopardy there.
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Jan 25, 2024 21:46
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I don't know any military person that likes trump. I live four miles from a base.
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Jan 25, 2024 21:46
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Aramis posted:You are treating the army like some pseudo-democratic institution where the leadership has to take the sympathies and opinions of members into account. But I don't want to rush that machinegun nest, Captain! Oh, ok guys I guess we just sit here, then.
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If you die for your country in the military Trump would call you a loser to your grave, I can’t imagine great support for him individually
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