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No Wave posted:I know writing manga is borderline impossible so stuff being sketchy and left out is just part of the package. I just get confused about people in this thread talking about the rottenness of "jujutsu society" when it's a room that gojo walks into once a week and doesnt take orders from. Its because a character said "jujutsu society is so rotten" and then Maki & Gojo massacred a bunch of "jujutsu society" and it was shown to be a triumphant moment  It is absolutely possible to handle writing your story even with the weekly manga crunch. Having a good outline or good notes or being more skilled in improvisation. definitely one of Gege's weakpoints, and its kind of straining under the weight of this climax. However, none of that will matter if he uses his strengths to end the manga on a high note. I'd be really curious to see what he ends up doing after this serialization ends. usenet celeb 1992 posted:The sheer awfulness of the Zen'in clan to its members is precisely due to the rigid hierarchy imposed by jujutsu society. That's been a pretty big plot element. Yea you're right its unfair to suggest jujutsu society has been all tell no show. The Zenin's bought Megumi like a slave child, apparently treated him and his mom poorly, is clearly in a macho patriarchy, and the glimpse at the other members showed them to be mostly assholes. Jerkface fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Jan 25, 2024 |
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Tosk posted:Gege has definitely just sketched out the contours of a bunch of background elements like the actual society in this "jujutsu society" everyone keeps talking about, but again, I feel like that probably just has a lot to do with manga as a serial medium. I can't imagine the difficulty maintaining a consistent focus on all the different elements of the narrative while you're kinda banging these out week to week by the seat of your pants and the eye of Sauron of Weekly Shonen Jump is leering at you for every waking moment of your existence -- either because you're a golden egg like JJK or because you don't want to fall down the popularity polls and get cut. There just isn't anyone else. Maki slaughtered the Ze'nin. Kenjaku co-opted the Kamos and we're told offscreen eliminated those who had been in favor of intervening against him. Gojo was the only notable sorcerer in his clan. The main cast probably represent the majority of Grade 1+ sorcerers in any position to intervene. Seeing this poo poo, it's entirely believable the minor families and most sorcerers/curse users are opting to either haul rear end from Japan or at least wait and see where the pieces land. Like Kusakabe said, even if worst case the merger creates some sort of Jujutsu Kaiju that's still survivable if you just stay out of its way, but facing a monster capable of going toe to toe with Satoru Gojo is straight up tying the rope around your own neck.
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Conspiratiorist posted:There just isn't anyone else. Maki slaughtered the Ze'nin. Kenjaku co-opted the Kamos and we're told offscreen eliminated those who had been in favor of intervening against him. Gojo was the only notable sorcerer in his clan. The main cast probably represent the majority of Grade 1+ sorcerers in any position to intervene.
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Jerkface posted:Yea you're right its unfair to suggest jujutsu society has been all tell no show. The Zenin's bought Megumi like a slave child, apparently treated him and his mom poorly, is clearly in a macho patriarchy, and the glimpse at the other members showed them to be mostly assholes. I'd go so far as argue it's all shown rather than told: the Star Plasma Vessel ritual sacrifices, curse users allowed to operate as hitmen on the downlow, the politics behind sorcerer Grades, the Zen'in (and Noritoshi didn't have a great time either with the Kamos), Yuji's "suspended execution" that HQ tried to sidestep with assassination attempts (that involved other children!), failure to take proper action against the Disaster Curses, failure to take proper action in the Shinjuku incident and immediate aftermath, forbidding attempts to release Satoru Gojo and HQ ordering the execution of his allies. We never needed regular interludes to the SEELE room and hear their evil scheming to know there's something fundamentally wrong with how things work. No Wave posted:So the ragtag collection of sorcerors we have fighting Sukuna is, in fact, "jujutsu society"? Yes, or at least most of them in good fighting shape. "Jujutsu society" is ultimately an encompassing term for the people able to use Cursed Energy - the problem is this community was dominated by Jujutsu HQ and the Three Families, who were not only big fuckers themselves but when put to the test also failed at their job of dealing with jujutsu terrorists and dangerous curses. Conspiratiorist fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Jan 25, 2024 |
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The Avengers are never around to help Spider-Man, either
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No Wave posted:I know writing manga is borderline impossible so stuff being sketchy and left out is just part of the package. I just get confused about people in this thread talking about the rottenness of "jujutsu society" when it's a room that gojo walks into once a week and doesnt take orders from. There's also the entirety of Megumis and makis backstory and all the poo poo everyone talks about and we see about the clans you know that bit where the Kyoto teachers just straight up tell their students to kill another student and most of them seem well on board for it. Also the star vessel in gojos tragic backstory and all the cult poo poo and assassins that revealed
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Basically anytime we even see a little bit of jujutsu society besides gojo his direct accomplishes and the school they run together it shows everyone to be some of the biggest pieces of poo poo possible. Both historical and modern eras
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The series has been incredibly consistent that jujutsu society is completely and totally broken and filled to the brim with monstrous people. People like Gojo are an anomaly and it's basically treated as a failing of Gojo's that he didn't just say gently caress this and slaughter the entire upper crust of Jujutsu elders a long time ago.
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I always saw the zenin portrayed as a freak cult and not an average jutsu house. Perhaps this is why I do not understand jujutsu society.
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RevolverDivider posted:The series has been incredibly consistent that jujutsu society is completely and totally broken and filled to the brim with monstrous people. People like Gojo are an anomaly and it's basically treated as a failing of Gojo's that he didn't just say gently caress this and slaughter the entire upper crust of Jujutsu elders a long time ago. It’s also consistent that jujutsu society is extremely small, and myopic. From class room size to family size. The big families themselves are literally small. Every class has literally 3-4 people. There is not enough jujitsu sorcerers to go around, and they die a lot.
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The Zenin's had an army of cousins tho You'd think in a world where powerful traits are inheritable that they'd be REQUIRED to gently caress like rabbits. Wheres the JJK doujinshi
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Jerkface posted:Wheres the JJK doujinshi
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When I was a little kid I was always mad at the DBZ movies cuz whenever the heroes were in trouble I always asked why Trunks didn’t simply go back into the past and vaporize the villains
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The whole point of the Zenin always seemed to be this is what this loving society is like. Naobito was introduced as a huge piece of poo poo and he still turned out to be like the most reasonable one besides Maki and Mai.
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It is true though that we just don't see enough of the other clans to see just how lovely they are too -- but Noritoshi Kamo was a monstrous piece of poo poo even before Kenjaku hijacked his body so it's reasonable to assume they're probably pretty rotten (though the modern Noritoshi seems decent from what I can recall about him).
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No Wave posted:You're not looking very hard... To be fair, those seldom proceed in a manner likely to result in a population increase. Also, I feel like I should bring up Chainsaw Man here, where the higher ups are just, you know, the actual government guys. No questions, no muss. JJK's whole secret society setup adds a lot of questions the manga doesn't seem to care about answering.
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usenet celeb 1992 posted:It is true though that we just don't see enough of the other clans to see just how lovely they are too -- but Noritoshi Kamo was a monstrous piece of poo poo even before Kenjaku hijacked his body so it's reasonable to assume they're probably pretty rotten (though the modern Noritoshi seems decent from what I can recall about him). Was Kamo a big time POS prior to Kenjaku? He was a temple keeper or whatever so potentially pretty benevolent prior to Kenjaku hijacking his rear end. Wells what interesting is Kamo was such a huge piece of poo poo that it like "stained" their family honor or whatever. So is Jujutsu society so rotten or do they have limits and some semblance of honor? Is there a contradiction there? Again, all light world building but the modern Kamo clan doesn't seem like they'd be THAT pissed about a guy using women as experiments.
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it doesn’t look good for your clan’s rep when your leader was caught making indestructible cursed objects of human-curse hybrids
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yum posted:it doesn’t look good for your clan’s rep when your leader was caught making indestructible cursed objects of human-curse hybrids These guys have warehouses of cursed tools, is it a bad look???? Honestly feels like the Zenins would throw this guy a celebration. "oh finally he found some use for all the female characters in this setting!!"
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usenet celeb 1992 posted:It is true though that we just don't see enough of the other clans to see just how lovely they are too -- but Noritoshi Kamo was a monstrous piece of poo poo even before Kenjaku hijacked his body so it's reasonable to assume they're probably pretty rotten (though the modern Noritoshi seems decent from what I can recall about him). We don’t know anything about the old Noritoshi Kamo outside of what Kenjaku did.
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Jerkface posted:These guys have warehouses of cursed tools, is it a bad look???? Honestly feels like the Zenins would throw this guy a celebration. "oh finally he found some use for all the female characters in this setting!!" you’re probably on the mark since they immediately reinstated Kenjaku as the clan head when he returned with minimal pushback
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You know, given everything that we know and what little information there is to speculate on. I'm willing to believe that Kenjaku chose Noritoshi Kamo as a host to both get access to blood manipulation which was probably necessary for his death womb experiment. But also to lay the groundwork for more future plans. The Kamo family seems to have the weakest technique to contend with compared to the more militarized Zen'nin and the 10 shadows. And how the Six Eyes of the Gojo clan have screwed Kenjaku over multiple times.
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yum posted:you’re probably on the mark since they immediately reinstated Kenjaku as the clan head when he returned with minimal pushback They seemed partially brainwashed.
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I bet Kenny was a cooler guy than most other heads of the Kamo. Sure he's an insane terrorist sociopath but also he's kinda funny.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:I bet Kenny was a cooler guy than most other heads of the Kamo. Sure he's an insane terrorist sociopath but also he's kinda funny. first jujutsu head to institute mandatory rakugo
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I reread a big chunk of JJK last night. It definitely comes across better with momentum carrying you over some underdeveloped plot and reducing the build-up of different left turns. Yuki getting offed, the Sword of Judgement plan sputtering, Gojo's ignominious death, et al play a lot better as bang bang fast paced events than the resolution of narrative line months or years in the making.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOosSliMqqA The Jujutsu Sorcerer tracks are always so good.
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No Wave posted:I always saw the zenin portrayed as a freak cult and not an average jutsu house. Perhaps this is why I do not understand jujutsu society. Arent the Zenins a bunch of conservatives who are supposed to like cursed techniques like Nobaras that use old fashioned tools like hammers? Yet thier bloodline CT all thier leaders use is based off of fighting game frames? These guys dont make sense IMO
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The Yuji vs Choso theme great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksgELqDkCcU
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Meme Emulator posted:Arent the Zenins a bunch of conservatives who are supposed to like cursed techniques like Nobaras that use old fashioned tools like hammers? Yet thier bloodline CT all thier leaders use is based off of fighting game frames? These guys dont make sense IMO Animation frames. Naobito likes anime, okay? He likes anime and drinking and fighting and shittalking okay, wait, I get why you went to fighting games there.
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Meme Emulator posted:Arent the Zenins a bunch of conservatives who are supposed to like cursed techniques like Nobaras that use old fashioned tools like hammers? Yet thier bloodline CT all thier leaders use is based off of fighting game frames? These guys dont make sense IMO I mean that is kinda the point. They give Maki a low grade, despite having a heavenly restriction that put her on par with at least a grade 2 sorcerer at the time. They’re not really consistent in any of the views they hold and are just old, conservative assholes who use their power and money to lord over others.
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Meme Emulator posted:Arent the Zenins a bunch of conservatives who are supposed to like cursed techniques like Nobaras that use old fashioned tools like hammers? Yet thier bloodline CT all thier leaders use is based off of fighting game frames? These guys dont make sense IMO Old-school animation frames. Shame they didn't live to see a public domain Mickey. But a fighting game frames cursed technique has potential. Specially if the character is a FTTAWSBFTMA fighter.
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MonsterEnvy posted:They seemed partially brainwashed. I assumed the old guy was just senile from being alive since Noritoshi was leading the clan, but maybe you’re right. Kamo Jr’s dad apparently objected but got clapped offscreen
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Meme Emulator posted:Arent the Zenins a bunch of conservatives who are supposed to like cursed techniques like Nobaras that use old fashioned tools like hammers? Yet thier bloodline CT all thier leaders use is based off of fighting game frames? These guys dont make sense IMO Another thing is if someone like Principle Gakukganji can get away with using an electric guitar for his own cursed technique. And assuming he couldn't have picked any non-electric string instrument. The conservatives of the Jujutsu world aren't so hardline that they would foresake every technique when a capable person (and one that also holds their beliefs and follows orders) when they show up. Hakari was outcast because he literally beat up high ranking members of the society but he was still a student up to that point and only on suspension even after.
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trucutru posted:Old-school animation frames. Shame they didn't live to see a public domain Mickey. Oh you all are right, the word 'frames' just makes me jump straight to video games. Also yes, animation is from the 1920s or so but it must have been a weird technique to have in the Heian era, since its inherited I assume it existed way back then. Although nobody ever explains inherited techniques well, like, someone had to have the 'first' Sharingan, right? Its not like monkeys in africa had sharingans.
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It's like any kind of real life genetic inheritance or mutation. You might get born with hair color inherited from your great-grandparents, or your specific mix of genes might make your teeth grow in weird when your parents had perfect teeth. Those with sorcerer potential are born with a new technique, or with the technique of a parent or ancestor. For example, the first person with Limitless and the first person with Six Eyes ended up getting their bloodlines mingled, which means any child born into the Gojo clan rolls the dice to inherit a technique and then again to get one or both. If Sukuna had any children, then they could have inherited Cleave.
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Meme Emulator posted:Oh you all are right, the word 'frames' just makes me jump straight to video games. Also yes, animation is from the 1920s or so but it must have been a weird technique to have in the Heian era, since its inherited I assume it existed way back then. Although nobody ever explains inherited techniques well, like, someone had to have the 'first' Sharingan, right? Its not like monkeys in africa had sharingans. Gege actually gave an answer about that in the JJK Fanbook: Q: Looking at Projection Sorcery, he seems to be quite well-versed in animation production? A: It's both Naobito and Gege's personal hobby. The technique is about image media, born at the same time with cameras. When it got to Naobito's era, it evolved once more with 24fps animation.
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Why did he give Naobito a brave death, a cool mustache, and his own personal favorite hobby? It's like all the stuff you'd do if you really wanted the readers to like a character.
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I have to admit the 24-FPS thing is just something I couldn't visualize well. Even seeing it animated it just doesn't click with me. I get the basic idea (He can 'plan out' 24 frames that occur in 1 second but they have to roughly obey the laws of physics and he has to trace them perfectly or else he gets frozen, and he can force this same condition onto others) but it never quite works for me.
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No Wave posted:Why did he give Naobito a brave death, a cool mustache, and his own personal favorite hobby? It's like all the stuff you'd do if you really wanted the readers to like a character.
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