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right arm
Oct 30, 2011


Lol get rekt californians

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Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


Sash! posted:

I grew up north of Pittsburgh and it amazes me that there are million dollar new build townhouses there now.

Even more so because if you drive literally ten minutes past that million dollar townhouse, you can get a new build house with the same number of bedrooms and bathrooms for $300k.

Another 10 minutes and you're out in the woods where I lived and they're like $100k.

And another thirty minutes past that and you’re getting dangerously close to the Erie event horizon, which explains everything about pricing in that area you may need to know.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

Hatters gonna hat.

kaom posted:

Reading this thread from Canada is surreal sometimes.

Because you live in Vancouver or Nowheresville, Alberta?

peanut
Sep 9, 2007


Bad Munki posted:

And another thirty minutes past that and you’re getting dangerously close to the Erie event horizon, which explains everything about pricing in that area you may need to know.

They are really excited about this eclipse though
https://www.visiterie.com/things-to-do/eclipseerie-2024/

Experience a once-in-a-lifetime event in Erie, Pennsylvania! On April 8, 2024, Erie is in the path of totality for a total solar eclipse. For nearly four minutes, the afternoon sky will go dark as the moon passes between the sun and the Earth. Erie is the only major city in Pennsylvania in the path of totality.

Edit: There are 37 songs on the Erie Pennsylvania eclipse playlist (the eclipse will last 3 min and 40 sec).

kaom
Jan 20, 2007


Cat Hatter posted:

Because you live in Vancouver
rip me but

Cat Hatter posted:

or Nowheresville, Alberta?

Even this isn’t cheap anymore. Here we have 936sqft in Oyen, AB, for 190k: https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/26370650/407-1-avenue-e-oyen

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
This is the cheapest house in my municipality
https://www.etuovi.com/kohde/20758351?haku=M2069765114

This is the most expensive, for sale anyway, I know there are some way bigger newer houses owned by rich people elsewhere, there's a whole neighborhood near the sea where they seem to have congregated.
https://www.etuovi.com/kohde/s99632?haku=M2069765114

Honestly I kinda liked the cheap place, mostly because it has a wood stove in the kitchen (two kitchens) and the large brick building that would make a great shop. Like a time capsule from 1960s finland.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
I... Have no idea how little I could afford that?

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
I'm not getting your meaning now. You don't understand the page? I know it's not in english but the big numbers with € should be obvious enough, along with pictures.

If you use chrome, right click > translate to english if you want to know more than price and see photos.

Danhenge
Dec 16, 2005

His Divine Shadow posted:

This is the cheapest house in my municipality
https://www.etuovi.com/kohde/20758351?haku=M2069765114

This is the most expensive, for sale anyway, I know there are some way bigger newer houses owned by rich people elsewhere, there's a whole neighborhood near the sea where they seem to have congregated.
https://www.etuovi.com/kohde/s99632?haku=M2069765114

Honestly I kinda liked the cheap place, mostly because it has a wood stove in the kitchen (two kitchens) and the large brick building that would make a great shop. Like a time capsule from 1960s finland.

How is that cheap house so cheap??

peanut
Sep 9, 2007


Cheap houses in my area
$16,000 8LDK
https://www.athome.co.jp/kodate/6975867970/

$30,000 2LDK
https://www.athome.co.jp/kodate/1088351374/

$40,000 5LDK
https://www.athome.co.jp/kodate/1088434474/

All of these are within a 10 minute drive of a grocery store, drug store, and schools. They're just slightly less convenient than the more central neighborhoods.

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.

Ashcans posted:

Goddamn the housing prices you guys are throwing around are wild. Best you can hope for under $100k here is a parking spot. I am not joking. I don't know there were any properties under $150k here you could legally live in since the 90s.

Made me curious and I see a $103k 4 bed 1 bath near me in Milwaukee, but it's like underneath the highway.

$120k for a duplex with a tenant in one of the units. poo poo, for that price and what they say the tenant is paying, the tenant should buy it!

Uthor fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Jan 27, 2024

shoeberto
Jun 13, 2020

which way to the MACHINES?

TooMuchAbstraction posted:

I'm pretty sure the value of the materials in that house exceeds the value of the house plus the land it's on.

Probably! It was in an area that hit hard times so home prices were already depressed, and folks with money from the nearby city were mostly looking at trendier adjacent towns. The previous owner was an older lady who barely maintained it in the ~40 years she lived there, so it looked like poo poo. The layout was also slightly awkward (workable though).

So it was very situational, but other similar houses were still <80k in the area at the time. If you aren't attached to any particular area (or lifestyle) you can find cheap housing. A lot of people are attached to an area and/or lifestyle, often for very good reasons (jobs, family, being lgbt or non-white and not wanting to live somewhere dangerous for them). My wife and I have been "lucky" to be almost entirely transient for the past decade so we just kinda land wherever we can afford.

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


peanut posted:

They are really excited about this eclipse though
https://www.visiterie.com/things-to-do/eclipseerie-2024/

Experience a once-in-a-lifetime event in Erie, Pennsylvania! On April 8, 2024, Erie is in the path of totality for a total solar eclipse. For nearly four minutes, the afternoon sky will go dark as the moon passes between the sun and the Earth. Erie is the only major city in Pennsylvania in the path of totality.

Edit: There are 37 songs on the Erie Pennsylvania eclipse playlist (the eclipse will last 3 min and 40 sec).

I live in the path of totality for the 2017 eclipse and it was almost a religious experience. Dunno that anyone bought a house to take advantage of that, but airbnb and hotel pricing was absolutely insane. My in-laws turned a nice little profit turning one of their fields into an rv camp.

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?
The important thing is that the eclipse made somebody money.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Danhenge posted:

How is that cheap house so cheap??

Location and I think age and not having been modernized since perhaps the 70s. Possibly a lot of things nearing failing and needing replacing. Roof looks good though.

the yeti
Mar 29, 2008

memento disco



His Divine Shadow posted:

Location and I think age and not having been modernized since perhaps the 70s. Possibly a lot of things nearing failing and needing replacing. Roof looks good though.

Not sure how it shakes out there of course but a US house built in the 50s and updated only in the 70s would have me wondering about the state of the electrical and plumbing.

And asbestos.

Jusupov
May 24, 2007
only text

the yeti posted:

Not sure how it shakes out there of course but a US house built in the 50s and updated only in the 70s would have me wondering about the state of the electrical and plumbing.

And asbestos.

Yeah those exterior wall panels in the cheap house are asbestos

Ironhead
Jan 19, 2005

Ironhead. Mmm.


Huh. I had completely forgotten about it until just now. I'm pretty sure the house I grew up in had asbestos siding. Maybe thats how my parents got it so cheap.

Darth Brooks
Jan 15, 2005

I do not wear this mask to protect me. I wear it to protect you from me.

My house was built in 1920 and it almost certainly has lead paint everywhere. If silly money came my way the first thing I would do would be to update the wiring and then properly insulate the place.

Dance McPants
Mar 11, 2006


dunno bout lead but asbestos testing is expensive, especially since it was used in everything through like the 80s-90s so you gotta take a lot of samples (insulation, tiling, siding, etc). I recently had a pipe freeze and burst and before the demo could happen for the repairs they tested everything for asbestos (house was built in 1940 and moved in the 70s) and the guy said just from looking at the place it was "50/50". I won the coin toss and I was able to move back within 7 months instead of over a year it would've taken with the abatement, plus I got like $4k in free asbestos testing so I can do other work if i want to now.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

Hatters gonna hat.

Dance McPants posted:

dunno bout lead but asbestos testing is expensive,

Lead is easy. You buy a kit from the hardware store and rub it on the wall to see if it changes color. If your pipes are lead they're old enough they're probably not in great shape anyway.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
I looked up where asbestos might be prevalent in houses in the nordic countries, but perhaps it's universal

quote:

pipe insulation
heating boilers, tile stoves, flue connections
ventilation drums, ventilation ducts and ventilation units
asbestos cement boards (eternite boards) on roofs, facades and balconies, in walls, waste rooms and behind electrical cabinets
window sills and panels under window sills
window putty
gas stoves: radiation protection on cabinet sides facing the stove
plastic mats and floor tiles
tile fix and joint
floor coverings
carpet glue

So this house likely has the asbestos facade which is the least offensive place to have it I think. Though the facade is offensively bad looking compared to a wooden or a rendered facade. I've also heard of asbestos in carpet* glue, I don't understand why it's a component in various glues and fixings but otoh the floors in that house look amazing and should be preserved. The walls look terrible though.

*carpet like vinyl, plastic, linoleum floors, not fuzzy carpet

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
https://v.redd.it/su4oj5f7h1fc1/DASH_360.mp4

kid sinister
Nov 16, 2002

It's narrow to prevent you using it as a modern day murder hole.

Mahnarch
Jan 7, 2008

Landing?
Do, or Do Not.
There is no 'Try'.

kaom posted:

rip me but

Even this isn’t cheap anymore. Here we have 936sqft in Oyen, AB, for 190k: https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/26370650/407-1-avenue-e-oyen

I took a Google Maps tour of your town.

Your police station is, literally, some dude's house!

That's my kind of place. :)

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

ドーナツダメ!

peanut posted:

Cheap houses in my area
$16,000 8LDK
https://www.athome.co.jp/kodate/6975867970/

$30,000 2LDK
https://www.athome.co.jp/kodate/1088351374/

$40,000 5LDK
https://www.athome.co.jp/kodate/1088434474/

All of these are within a 10 minute drive of a grocery store, drug store, and schools. They're just slightly less convenient than the more central neighborhoods.

Japan doesn't count. Housing costs in Japan operate on an inverted curve from most of the western world. :colbert:

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

Hatters gonna hat.

It's much more convenient when you yell for someone downstairs to throw you a roll of toilet paper.

wesleywillis
Dec 30, 2016

SUCK A MALE CAMEL'S DICK WITH MIRACLE WHIP!!

AlternateNu posted:

Japan doesn't count. Housing costs in Japan operate on an inverted curve from most of the western world. :colbert:

Thats because Japan is the Eastern world.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


right arm posted:

Lol get rekt californians

I didn't put together that the injured parties here are largely conservative Californians

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


peanut posted:

Cheap houses in my area
$16,000 8LDK
https://www.athome.co.jp/kodate/6975867970/

$30,000 2LDK
https://www.athome.co.jp/kodate/1088351374/

$40,000 5LDK
https://www.athome.co.jp/kodate/1088434474/

All of these are within a 10 minute drive of a grocery store, drug store, and schools. They're just slightly less convenient than the more central neighborhoods.

Y'all considering any kind of immigration this side of the 22nd century?

peanut
Sep 9, 2007


Life is simple, it's just not easy.

Visa status: Spouse of Japanese National :peanut:

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

Any city with limited space and a growing population will be expensive, relatively speaking. Oslo struggles with that; a commonly quoted number is that right now, an average nurse on their own could only afford 1.5% of the property for sale here.

This is the cheapest housing for sale I could fine: https://www.finn.no/realestate/homes/ad.html?finnkode=331377409
That's a 14 square meter apartment, about 130 square foot. I think our bedroom is larger than that entire apartment. The toilet is also shared with the neighbors. 2.1 million NOK is about $210k.
On the positive side, it's right in the middle of the city (and right next to where I live, incidentally).

The cheapest house is a bit unfair, since most of the suburban areas with single houses are outside the city proper.
Still, there are some. This is the cheapest: https://www.finn.no/realestate/homes/ad.html?finnkode=281951802
Looks nice enough, though obviously on the outer edge of town, so you'll have to plan for a long public transport commute or get a car. About $460k.

I think the apartment we're renting would be about $600k if they sold it - which I hope they aren't planning on doing anytime soon.

e: For contrast, here's a cute little house with a garden for $75k somewhere in outer nowhere up north: https://www.finn.no/realestate/homes/ad.html?finnkode=304196766
Somehow there's a grocery store with a gas pump right at the end of the driveway, but apart from that the only thing nearby is a truly amazing view.

Computer viking fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Jan 29, 2024

the yeti
Mar 29, 2008

memento disco



I have days where a house in Outer Nowhere sounds pretty good honestly.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
Basically everyday for me. Which is why I live in Finlands Twin Peaks

SouthShoreSamurai
Apr 28, 2009

It is a tale,
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.


Fun Shoe

Computer viking posted:

e: For contrast, here's a cute little house with a garden for $75k somewhere in outer nowhere up north: https://www.finn.no/realestate/homes/ad.html?finnkode=304196766
Somehow there's a grocery store with a gas pump right at the end of the driveway, but apart from that the only thing nearby is a truly amazing view.

Holy poo poo that is beautiful. That is calling to my Norse blood...

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

SouthShoreSamurai posted:

Holy poo poo that is beautiful. That is calling to my Norse blood...

If you want to click around, here's houses and apartments in Troms county sorted by total price ascending.
You can also check other counties (there are checkboxes on the left), I'm sure the entire west coast has some gems. There's nice ones inland as well, of course - but the most dramatic views are over there.

A dollar is close enough to 10 NOK at the moment, so the prices are easy enough to convert.

Dance McPants
Mar 11, 2006


My dream is to be able to buy a plot of land outright and slowly build a house with zero oversight or inspections, as God intended. And after I get old/bored/the house starts falling apart I can legally sell it with only a cursory inspection after closing, like the US intended.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

Dance McPants posted:

My dream is to be able to buy a plot of land outright and slowly build a house with zero oversight or inspections, as God intended. And after I get old/bored/the house starts falling apart I can legally sell it with only a cursory inspection after closing, like the US intended.

Pretty sure this is the exact story of the house my friend bought after getting cleared for permanent remote work during the pandemic.

Now, every time I talk to him, he tells me about the latest thing he’s had to fix. It’s basically a house of Theseus at this point.

Beef Of Ages
Jan 11, 2003

Your dumb is leaking.

Dance McPants posted:

My dream is to be able to buy a plot of land outright and slowly build a house with zero oversight or inspections, as God intended. And after I get old/bored/the house starts falling apart I can legally sell it with only a cursory inspection after closing, like the US intended.

Grover?

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wesleywillis
Dec 30, 2016

SUCK A MALE CAMEL'S DICK WITH MIRACLE WHIP!!
Whatever happened to Grover anyway?
Did he get banned, or just drift away from the forums?
Did he leave after people made fun of his insulated stairs?

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