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regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
UNGH LET ME LICK THOSE BOOTS DADDY HULU ;-* ;-* ;-* YES YES GIVE ME ALL THE CORPORATE CUMMIES :shepspends: :shepspends: :shepspends: ADBLOCK USERS DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY, DON'T THEY DADDY?
WHEN THE RICH GET RICHER I GET HORNIER :a2m::a2m::a2m::a2m:

Joyland, Stephen King
Twilight Eyes, Dean R Koontz (but only maybe 1/3 of it is in a carnival setting iirc)

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Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

The Circus of Dr. Lao, Blind Voices, and Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom all come to mind.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Fantasticland

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


Beneath a Pale Sky

tinaun
Jun 9, 2011

                  tell me...
Swamplandia! by Karen Russell

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007
Westworld?

Humerus
Jul 7, 2009

Rule of acquisition #111:
Treat people in your debt like family...exploit them.


Hide by Kiersten White takes place at an abandoned amusement park.

Good-Natured Filth
Jun 8, 2008

Do you think I've got the goods Bubblegum? Cuz I am INTO this stuff!

Thanks for all the recos! Got a bunch of new books added to my "To Read" pile. It seems like there's a trend for abandoned / after-dark amusement park stories, which I'm totally down with.

Leraika
Jun 14, 2015

Luckily, I *did* save your old avatar. Fucked around and found out indeed.
Anyone got any suggestions for afrofuturism that isn't the usual suspects (Octavia Butler and N.K. Jemisin)? I wanna get more into it but I don't know where to start looking.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
Nnedi Okorafor? I've only read Who Fears Death but I think it counts.

Leraika
Jun 14, 2015

Luckily, I *did* save your old avatar. Fucked around and found out indeed.
I think I've read Who Fears Death but not anything else she's done. I'll take a look at her other works, too.

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo
Anasi Boys?

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

I can throw in a vote for Nalo Hopkinson; I really liked Brown Girl in the Ring.

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

Leraika posted:

Anyone got any suggestions for afrofuturism that isn't the usual suspects (Octavia Butler and N.K. Jemisin)? I wanna get more into it but I don't know where to start looking.

New Suns: Original Speculative Fiction by People of Color by Nisi Shawl https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40680117-new-suns

Has some great selections, I really loved “Give Me Your Black Wings Oh Sister” and most (all?) of the authors have other published stuff if you like their style.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

Kestral posted:

Thanks for the Arthur recommendations, everyone! I might end up reading some of these myself, if I don't go straight to Mallory after this Once and Future King re-read.

My god, you've just solved an old mystery: this is one of the Arthur books I read as a kid, I remember these illustrations! I've been trying to figure out the name of this thing for ages. I read and loved Pyle's Robin Hood in 2023, and now I must at very least grab his Arthur books for my own enjoyment.

Reading your description of Pyle's and Green's versions in that goldmined thread, I suspect Pyle is what the kid in question actually wants, and Green is what he'll think he wants because it's shorter. I shall start working on my pitch now.


Just start him with the first Pyle book and leave him wanting more. Don't tell him Greene's arthur exists :P


I also did a thread on Pyle's Robin Hood

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3934938

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002

Hello, I'm looking for a newer work of speculative, urban, or literary fiction that deals with themes of urban decay, class struggle, and ecological crisis. Any recommendations? Honestly Octavia Butler's Parable of the Sower is a good example of this, but I'm lookin for newer stuff sort of in that vein, with pretty clear leftist/marxist politics.

Take the plunge! Okay!
Feb 24, 2007



shwinnebego posted:

Hello, I'm looking for a newer work of speculative, urban, or literary fiction that deals with themes of urban decay, class struggle, and ecological crisis. Any recommendations? Honestly Octavia Butler's Parable of the Sower is a good example of this, but I'm lookin for newer stuff sort of in that vein, with pretty clear leftist/marxist politics.

How “newer” are we taking about? Have you read China Mieville? His Bas-Lag novels are exactly what you described, with Iron Council being the most obviously Marxist. He is rather imaginative and well above par for genre writers.
Another writer who does this type of thing is Ian McDonald. River of Gods is a cool look at mid 21st century India in the midst of a monsoon collapse. The Luna trilogy deals with a no good terrible libertarian society on the Moon. Both will make you want to eat the rich.

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

shwinnebego posted:

Hello, I'm looking for a newer work of speculative, urban, or literary fiction that deals with themes of urban decay, class struggle, and ecological crisis. Any recommendations? Honestly Octavia Butler's Parable of the Sower is a good example of this, but I'm lookin for newer stuff sort of in that vein, with pretty clear leftist/marxist politics.

Decay and ecological breakdown: Doggerland by Ben Smith is a fantastic novel about two men maintaining an offshore wind farm in the near future.

Class struggle: Babel by RF Kuang just won the nebula and it’s basically about internationalism and anticolonial struggle. A bit YA-ey but overall a very good read.

Colonialism and ecological consequences:

Tiger Work by Ben Okri is a book about climate action told in a series of stories, poems and essays with a heavy dose of magical-realism.

Not recent but maybe new to you:

Embassytown by China Mieville is about a human outpost on a bizarre alien world. The aliens are the focus of the story because they can’t lie. human culture has a very unexpected effect on them.

Grass by Sheri S. Tepper is a classic feminist sci fi about a plague menacing the galaxy except for one planet called Grass.

The Word for World is Forest by Ursula K. LeGuin has a similar plot to Avatar the movie, but in the Hainish universe.

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

shwinnebego posted:

Hello, I'm looking for a newer work of speculative, urban, or literary fiction that deals with themes of urban decay, class struggle, and ecological crisis. Any recommendations? Honestly Octavia Butler's Parable of the Sower is a good example of this, but I'm lookin for newer stuff sort of in that vein, with pretty clear leftist/marxist politics.

Why newer?

You should read The Sheep Look Up by John Brunner and Kim Stanley Robinson's work.

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


Have you read Oryx and Crake yet?

regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
UNGH LET ME LICK THOSE BOOTS DADDY HULU ;-* ;-* ;-* YES YES GIVE ME ALL THE CORPORATE CUMMIES :shepspends: :shepspends: :shepspends: ADBLOCK USERS DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY, DON'T THEY DADDY?
WHEN THE RICH GET RICHER I GET HORNIER :a2m::a2m::a2m::a2m:

Bilirubin posted:

Have you read Oryx and Crake yet?

I don't know if it quite fits OPs request but it is a tremendous book that's in my all time top 10. No other book has so perfectly captured the specific emotion this book aims for: the bleakness that remains after the worst fears of despair have come to pass. The emptiness present when your worst fears have come to pass and life yet continues.

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

regulargonzalez posted:

I don't know if it quite fits OPs request but it is a tremendous book that's in my all time top 10. No other book has so perfectly captured the specific emotion this book aims for: the bleakness that remains after the worst fears of despair have come to pass. The emptiness present when your worst fears have come to pass and life yet continues.

That’s a great description of the vibe of that book

Tea Bone
Feb 18, 2011

I'm going for gasps.
I'm well aware that I'm probably chasing a dragon here, but I want to feel the same way I did when I was a teenager and first read the Ted The Caver story. In that I felt like I had fallen down a rabbit hole and was learning about something terrifying just below the surface of every day life.

I've read most of the things that normally get brought up with Ted The Caver (House of Leaves and Dionaea house), I've tried Lovecraft and some contemporary Cosmic horror but tend to bounce off of it a bit.

The subject matter isn't that important, it doesn't need to be about monsters or dark spaces, it's that feeling of suspended disbelief that I'm looking to recapture.

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

Tea Bone posted:

I'm well aware that I'm probably chasing a dragon here, but I want to feel the same way I did when I was a teenager and first read the Ted The Caver story. In that I felt like I had fallen down a rabbit hole and was learning about something terrifying just below the surface of every day life.

I've read most of the things that normally get brought up with Ted The Caver (House of Leaves and Dionaea house), I've tried Lovecraft and some contemporary Cosmic horror but tend to bounce off of it a bit.

The subject matter isn't that important, it doesn't need to be about monsters or dark spaces, it's that feeling of suspended disbelief that I'm looking to recapture.

Have you read any Thomas Ligotti?

Fifteen Terrifying Tales by Thomas Ligotti has “The Bungalow House”, which gave me that kind of vibe

RCarr
Dec 24, 2007

Good-Natured Filth posted:

I am looking for a recommendation for a fiction set in an amusement park. I don't care so much about the genre - it could be coming of age, horror, thriller, sci-fi, etc. - so long as the majority of the book is set in an amusement park.

I'm not too keen on non-fiction at the moment. I don't need a history of Disney World or anything like that. I'm just itching for a good story with amusement park vibes.

Fantasticland

wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

YOU HAVE MY POST!

Tea Bone posted:

I'm well aware that I'm probably chasing a dragon here, but I want to feel the same way I did when I was a teenager and first read the Ted The Caver story. In that I felt like I had fallen down a rabbit hole and was learning about something terrifying just below the surface of every day life.

I've read most of the things that normally get brought up with Ted The Caver (House of Leaves and Dionaea house), I've tried Lovecraft and some contemporary Cosmic horror but tend to bounce off of it a bit.

The subject matter isn't that important, it doesn't need to be about monsters or dark spaces, it's that feeling of suspended disbelief that I'm looking to recapture.

Have you tried The Hike by Drew Magary?

yaffle
Sep 15, 2002

Flapdoodle

Tea Bone posted:

I'm well aware that I'm probably chasing a dragon here, but I want to feel the same way I did when I was a teenager and first read the Ted The Caver story. In that I felt like I had fallen down a rabbit hole and was learning about something terrifying just below the surface of every day life.

I've read most of the things that normally get brought up with Ted The Caver (House of Leaves and Dionaea house), I've tried Lovecraft and some contemporary Cosmic horror but tend to bounce off of it a bit.

The subject matter isn't that important, it doesn't need to be about monsters or dark spaces, it's that feeling of suspended disbelief that I'm looking to recapture.

Borges maybe?

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Tea Bone posted:

I'm well aware that I'm probably chasing a dragon here, but I want to feel the same way I did when I was a teenager and first read the Ted The Caver story. In that I felt like I had fallen down a rabbit hole and was learning about something terrifying just below the surface of every day life.

I've read most of the things that normally get brought up with Ted The Caver (House of Leaves and Dionaea house), I've tried Lovecraft and some contemporary Cosmic horror but tend to bounce off of it a bit.

The subject matter isn't that important, it doesn't need to be about monsters or dark spaces, it's that feeling of suspended disbelief that I'm looking to recapture.

Not books, but I do have some movie suggestions that I think will evoke the feeling you're after. First off, Alternative 3. This is what you want. It is a fake British documentary that is presented in such a dry matter of fact way a lot of people believed it was real and now there's an actual conspiracy theory that came from it. I showed it to a friend of mine late one night and afterwards he got mad at me because "That wasn't a horror movie but it felt like one! I'm going to be jumpy all night for no good reason!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc1tVaL8kOY

After that, any of Koji Shiraishi's found footage movies. They're mostly "documentaries" about paranormal stuff that go wrong. Noroi and Occult would probably be the ones closest to what you're after. Occult is available for free on youtube. It's a documentary about a mysterious, seemingly unmotivated stabbing attack, but as they investigate one of the victims it turns out that very strange things have been happening to him ever since.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6qri3HnUQQ

SEX HAVER 40000
Aug 6, 2009

no doves fly here lol
any recs for fantasy written by women? preferably not YA, preferably not smut

regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
UNGH LET ME LICK THOSE BOOTS DADDY HULU ;-* ;-* ;-* YES YES GIVE ME ALL THE CORPORATE CUMMIES :shepspends: :shepspends: :shepspends: ADBLOCK USERS DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY, DON'T THEY DADDY?
WHEN THE RICH GET RICHER I GET HORNIER :a2m::a2m::a2m::a2m:

Does smut = anything that acknowledges that sex exists or smut = porn?

SEX HAVER 40000
Aug 6, 2009

no doves fly here lol
fine with sex scenes, just not looking to get horny from reading i dont know where that falls on that binary

disposablewords
Sep 12, 2021

Off the top of my head and my small Kindle library...

Martha Wells is a solid read usually. City of Bones was a pretty good standalone, though I've heard good things about her two fantasy series, Ile-Rien and Raksura. I keep meaning to get into them but also get distracted easily.

N.K. Jemisin's The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms is the start of a trilogy but stands on its own fine as well. It gets a little racy at times but I don't think it crosses the line. Been a while since I read it, though.

Katherine Addison is someone who's been recommended to me but I've yet to get into anything of hers. The Goblin Emperor is the big one, to my knowledge. Addison is also apparently a pen name and she writes other fantasy as well under her real name of Sarah Monette.

Lois McMaster Bujold's "World of the Five Gods" books, starting with The Curse of Chalion. The first couple are set in fantasy not-Spain and how the gods work in the world is super important to the stories. Miracles abound and they are not always happy. If you want something shorter, she's got a bunch of novellas set in the world but away from the novels, the Penric series, starting with Penric's Demon. The Penric novellas start comedic but get pretty heavy at times. She's also got a completely-unrelated-to-anything-else standalone called The Spirit Ring which I thought was pretty alright.

T. Kingfisher, the pen name of Ursula Vernon, writes a lot of fantasy. Some novellas, some novels, of a varying range of light-hearted to much more serious.

Ursula K. LeGuin and the Earthsea series are classics for a reason. Mercedes Lackey is a big name as well, particularly with her Valdemar novels.

I've only read Ann Leckie's sci-fi but she's got a fantasy novel The Raven Tower that's in my to-read list.

Nghi Vo. I've only read The Empress of Salt and Fortune but it was really good.

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

SEX HAVER 40000 posted:

any recs for fantasy written by women? preferably not YA, preferably not smut

Patricia McKillip -- The Riddle-Master of Hed, Ombra in Shadow, Cygnet, Stepping from the Shadows et al.

Joy Chant -- Red Moon and Black Mountain, When Voiha Wakes, The Grey Mane of Morning.

Tanith Lee -- Cyrion, The Birthgrave, Night's Master.

P. C. Hodgell -- God Stalk.

regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
UNGH LET ME LICK THOSE BOOTS DADDY HULU ;-* ;-* ;-* YES YES GIVE ME ALL THE CORPORATE CUMMIES :shepspends: :shepspends: :shepspends: ADBLOCK USERS DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY, DON'T THEY DADDY?
WHEN THE RICH GET RICHER I GET HORNIER :a2m::a2m::a2m::a2m:

SEX HAVER 40000 posted:

fine with sex scenes, just not looking to get horny from reading i dont know where that falls on that binary

Kushiel's Dart + sequels, by Jacqueline Carey
These get a very love or hate reaction here. Sex work is a major plot point but it's never explicit. I think they're fantastic, but not everyone here agrees.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Do the Foreigner books count? They take place on a medieval fantasy world with weird elves. The humans just got there via a spaceship.

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


I enjoyed Okorafor's Who Fears Death and I'm not much of a fantasy reader

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Oh poo poo, I forgot the two best fantasy series are both written by women. Delicious in Dungeon and Dorohedoro.

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002

fez_machine posted:

Why newer?

You should read The Sheep Look Up by John Brunner and Kim Stanley Robinson's work.

I've read KSR. Will look into the Brunner thing.

Newer because I'm interested in some speculative stuff based on a more contemporary lens on climate, mainly. Also, specifically interested in
non-white authors and more in the genre of late


Bilirubin posted:

Have you read Oryx and Crake yet?

Yeah, it's good.

Take the plunge! Okay! posted:

How “newer” are we taking about? Have you read China Mieville? His Bas-Lag novels are exactly what you described, with Iron Council being the most obviously Marxist. He is rather imaginative and well above par for genre writers.
Another writer who does this type of thing is Ian McDonald. River of Gods is a cool look at mid 21st century India in the midst of a monsoon collapse. The Luna trilogy deals with a no good terrible libertarian society on the Moon. Both will make you want to eat the rich.

Funny enough I've only read October which is not his normal genre. I'll check out Bas-Lag & Iron Council, thanks.


tuyop posted:

Decay and ecological breakdown: Doggerland by Ben Smith is a fantastic novel about two men maintaining an offshore wind farm in the near future.

Class struggle: Babel by RF Kuang just won the nebula and it’s basically about internationalism and anticolonial struggle. A bit YA-ey but overall a very good read.

Colonialism and ecological consequences:

Tiger Work by Ben Okri is a book about climate action told in a series of stories, poems and essays with a heavy dose of magical-realism.

Not recent but maybe new to you:

Embassytown by China Mieville is about a human outpost on a bizarre alien world. The aliens are the focus of the story because they can’t lie. human culture has a very unexpected effect on them.

Grass by Sheri S. Tepper is a classic feminist sci fi about a plague menacing the galaxy except for one planet called Grass.

The Word for World is Forest by Ursula K. LeGuin has a similar plot to Avatar the movie, but in the Hainish universe.

Awesome, thanks for the recs. I'm reading Babel by RF Kuang right now. Aside from the quasi-YA-stylistic ness that occasionally makes me have to tell off the superego goblin that's saying "this is not sophisticated prose! by enjoying it you are betraying that you are not a sophisticated grown-up!" I think it's pretty great lol

thanks everyone.

I am really interested in seeing what younger left wing genre fiction writers are doing, as I feel like there's gotta be a lotta great poo poo that I just don't know about

shwinnebego fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Feb 5, 2024

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


shwinnebego posted:

Newer because I'm interested in some speculative stuff based on a more contemporary lens on climate, mainly. Also, specifically interested in
non-white authors and more in the genre of late

How about The Marrow Thieves?

https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/34649348

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tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

shwinnebego posted:

I am really interested in seeing what younger left wing genre fiction writers are doing, as I feel like there's gotta be a lotta great poo poo that I just don't know about

Ling Ma is a good author to watch imo. She’s in her 40s now but writes very well about millennial identity stuff, with a focus on immigrant stories. Severance is really good. Ken Liu is also a late millennial but has great short stories about being millennials in late stage capitalism.

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