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We all know there is one person that Luffy can never forgive. That loving pigeon... 
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Jan 30, 2024 07:56
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kizaru can be as unhappy about his orders as he likes but it doesn't mean poo poo until he actually disobeys them. he has shown no sign of doing so.
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Jan 30, 2024 10:47
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Jerusalem posted:We all know there is one person that Luffy can never forgive. https://twitter.com/skrgtn/status/1726659404282622390
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Jan 30, 2024 11:06
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scary ghost dog posted:im curious if theres an upper limit to forgiveable bad guys in one piece Arlong will stay on the list permanently though because Oda will never forgive what he did to Nami.
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Jan 30, 2024 13:40
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"unclear justice" one one hand he can choose to help the scientist screaming constantly about improving humanity, the father and daughter combo put through unimagineable circumstances, the literal reincarnation of a liberation god on the other hand he can choose to help The Chief Slavemaster of the World who also happens to be an eldritch demon who is gleefully ordering the clones of a 12 year old's father to kill her while also wantonly slaughtering innocent people doesn't seem like the hardest choice in the world to me idk.
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Jan 30, 2024 15:39
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Insert simpsons meme with director guy "He must decide if his best friend will LIVE.................. or DIE."
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Jan 30, 2024 16:01
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Doffy is going to show up at the end trying to fight Luffy or whatever and Paulie is going to appear with Awakened Ropes and give a speech about how ropes can rope harder than string can string, then rope a hole through Doffy’s chest
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Jan 30, 2024 16:08
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Wow so it’s ok when Big Mom abuses her children but when Caesar Clown abuses children that aren’t even his he’s suddenly “irredeemable”. Caesar Clown was jealous of his coworker so he gave kids hard drugs. I'm not saying Big Mom was a good person, but I feel there's a difference. tbp posted:"unclear justice" Or so he believes. As I think I mentioned before, the one thing Kizaru needs at this point is hope. Like, some sort of god of liberation he can believe in, so an act of rebellion isn't necessarily just an act of suicide. Dunno where he might find one of those.
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Jan 30, 2024 16:37
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I think Kizaru probably gets some degree of redemption just because he's clearly conflicted and we still don't really know what his motivation is, and his betrayal would be a good opportunity to finally explore that.
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Jan 30, 2024 16:51
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No Wave posted:The upper limit is dynamic. The worse the worst villain gets the more redeemable all the other villains get. The introduction of Saturn and Garling make everyone else forgivable, even Doflamingo, perhaps even Akainu. The gently caress? Introduction of shittier people doesn’t make past villains more redeemable - the list of shittiest person can be dynamic. Theres also no way Doflamingo is redeemable Top tier shitpost Ubiquitus fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Jan 30, 2024 |
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Jan 30, 2024 18:06
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Ubiquitus posted:The gently caress? Introduction of shittier people doesn’t make past villains more redeemable - the list of shittiest person can be dynamic. Theres also no way Doflamingo is redeemable Nah it's like when Frieza shows up, suddenly Vegeta's motivations are a lot more understandable and he starts on the path to joining the good guys. Understandable is not -excusable-, but actual redemption is a hard road and I think One Piece could do a good job of exploring something like that.
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Jan 30, 2024 18:22
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i excuse caeser clown because he's funny
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Jan 30, 2024 18:25
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Vegeta is a great example because he started off as bad as Garling, killing defenseless people for sport by the thousands. Maybe even worse. I never really forgave him but the story seemed to.
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Jan 30, 2024 18:26
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Gologle posted:People want Kizaru to turn good sooo badly. Is it because he's the weed man? He's the last original admiral left, and we still have a bunch of colour zodiac animal code name marines left to go through. Where's the orange rat admiral?
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Jan 30, 2024 18:32
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No Wave posted:Vegeta is a great example because he started off as bad as Garling, killing defenseless people for sport by the thousands. Maybe even worse. I never really forgave him but the story seemed to. sounds like we need a garling shower scene so se can learn how, like vegeta, his anger stems from his absolute lack of an rear end
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Jan 30, 2024 18:32
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Gologle posted:People want Kizaru to turn good sooo badly. Is it because he's the weed man? Nothing wrong with wanting a dude to have a face turn after getting humanizing backstory for the first time. Like others have said, I think he'll have a moment of hesitation or rebellion that will help the SH crew. I don't think he's gonna, like, be the last member of the crew or anything. But One Piece loves to explore navy folks having second thoughts about their orders.
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Jan 30, 2024 18:47
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If Kizaru face turns the most logical thing is probably taking Vegapunk with him after all this mess and going to hang out with the Revolutionaries together.
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Jan 30, 2024 18:56
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No Wave posted:Vegeta is a great example because he started off as bad as Garling, killing defenseless people for sport by the thousands. Maybe even worse. I never really forgave him but the story seemed to.
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Jan 30, 2024 18:56
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Oda did also work as an assistant on Rurouni Kenshin, which is very much about someone trying to atone for doing terrible things. I think he could handle it in a satisfying way if we do get an arc like that for whichever character.
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Jan 30, 2024 19:04
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I think Oda actually takes that kind of complaint seriously. Robin is probably the closest in the story but Oda retconned the murder she committed on Igaram in order to let her join the crew. Like I wouldn't say characters like Buggy or Caesar have really been 'redeemed', they're just not active threats to the protagonists anymore so we can enjoy their patheticness. Or there's someone like Crocodile who is probably still bad but is now more of a 'heel' who you kindof root for anyway. Caesar's a special case because unlike other villains he never really took his L and went right to causing trouble again.
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Jan 30, 2024 19:11
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Caribou's been traveling with the Straw Hats for longer than Jinbe has
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Jan 30, 2024 19:26
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oddium posted:i excuse caeser clown because he's funny Thank you. Wish more people understood this.
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Jan 30, 2024 19:28
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Caesar clown was so funny that Oda got carried away putting him in funny situations and had to clarify in an SBS that he's really a bad guy.quote:Q: Nami-san called Caesar “Scum”, “Garbage”, and told him that “It would be better if you died”. Did she get influenced by Robin-chan’s potty-mouth (toxic-tongue)?
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Jan 30, 2024 19:41
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Eiba posted:
There’s a massive difference: between the flashback, her hunger pangs, her violent personality shifts, and her bouts of trauma-induced amnesia, it’s pretty easy to separate out her personas of child, pirate empress, mother and monster, and from there it gets really easy to, if not redeem her, then at least rehabilitate her — because that’s just O-Lin and Mother Mode. We already know what it looks like.
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Jan 30, 2024 20:02
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I think part of One Piece that is easy to forget is that the Straw Hats are abnormal. Most pirate crews kill and steal. Law literally stole a hundred human hearts and killed Vega and Monet, Kidd has (allegedly) killed civilians. Hell, the Straw Hats aren't even anti-killing, Oda just prefers to leave their enemies alive. Murder isn't a big deal in this world. That being said, Caesar is on another level what with chemical warfare and all that.
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Jan 30, 2024 20:05
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Shonen comic readers got to find another term for “former villain joining the good guys” aside from ‘redemption’.
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Jan 30, 2024 20:13
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Zoro - killer Nami - thief Sanji - sex pest Robin - killer Usopp - liar Franky - crime kingpin so probably both killer and thief Jinbei - yakuza boss so probably both killer and thief Brooke - sex pest Luffy - thief (stole from Skypiea) Chopper is the only truly innocent Strawhat
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Jan 30, 2024 20:14
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Chopper sold drugs to Bepo.
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Jan 30, 2024 20:15
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Wii Spawn Camper posted:Zoro - killer franky is also somewhat a sex pest
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Jan 30, 2024 20:26
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Nami probably did some unsavory things during her time with Arlong trying to gather enough money to buy back her village so I wouldn’t be surprised if she had to kill someone somewhere along the line too Luffy isn’t really anti-killing either for that matter (he took part in the attempted assassination attempt on Big Mom after all), it’s just not really his style
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Jan 30, 2024 20:27
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Oda is drawing out Kizaru's heel turn so that us true believers give up on him (just like how I was adamant Yamato would stay on Wano until 2 chapters before it was official) just so he can make us all look like weak willed idiots AGAIN. Oda is a sicko and I won't give him the satisfaction, Kizaru is allying with the strawhats even if he dies or the series ends before it happens - IT'S HAPPENING.
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Jan 30, 2024 20:28
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I'm not convinced Kizaru doesn't have dementia.
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Jan 30, 2024 20:40
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Scholtz posted:Caribou's been traveling with the Straw Hats for longer than Jinbe has I hope he stays. Never as an official strawhat, but rather just as a forever stow-a-way that only gets barely acknowledged by the crew. Just let him get dragged into more and more ridiculous and dangerous situations. This is his life now.
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Jan 30, 2024 21:01
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Wonder if Caribou ever got the message to “That Man”
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Jan 30, 2024 21:05
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Caribuggy.
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Jan 30, 2024 21:07
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Wii Spawn Camper posted:Chopper is the only truly innocent Strawhat Except for that one time he gave his Dad a deadly amount of poison
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Jan 30, 2024 21:09
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no even then
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Jan 30, 2024 21:39
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it wasnt deadly because hiriluk didnt die. simple as
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Jan 30, 2024 21:47
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No Wave posted:Vegeta is a great example because he started off as bad as Garling, killing defenseless people for sport by the thousands. Maybe even worse. I never really forgave him but the story seemed to. The story doesn’t really care about the planet of bug people he exploded Which is even funnier once super comes out and you find out there’s like 50 space fearing species total in the entire universe which really makes indiscriminate genocide a lot sillier.
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Jan 30, 2024 21:51
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Meme Emulator posted:The story doesn’t really care about the planet of bug people he exploded The planet of bug people was filler. Vegeta killed a lot of innocent people, but not an entire planet of bug people.
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