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Rand when he's trying to not visit Elayne, Saml Hake, that one Tairen lord who plays cards with Mat sometimes.
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Would have said Fain but the show has other ideas
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Feb 15, 2024 00:12
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I don't think Fain is described as ugly, he's just not super handsome.
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Feb 15, 2024 00:30
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The Blue Aes Sedai Anaiya is literally always called out as specifically being plain, her only beauty being her smile, whenever she's on page. It's a bit weirdly insistent if you stop and think about it, tbh. Pre-stilling Siuan is also usually described in terms like "handsome" although I guess that's still in the attractive spectrum, just not "really hot" like most everyone else.
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I thought that Oliver wS gonna be the reincarnation of bergittas bae with all the descriptions of him and stuff.
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I think that was the idea but he never pulls the trigger. I don’t known what difference it would make since Birgette couldn’t like hook up with him anyways.
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Yeah that's right I guess it just stood out weird particularly since I marathoned the listening somewhat
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bio347 posted:The Blue Aes Sedai Anaiya is literally always called out as specifically being plain, her only beauty being her smile, whenever she's on page. It's a bit weirdly insistent if you stop and think about it, tbh. I feel like a white man born in the 40's in South Carolina calling a woman "handsome" is very much "I don't want to call her ugly BUT"
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flashman posted:This show is ok it would be better if I didn't read the books though imo I've kind of settled on the show is fine/good, but a poor adaption of the books.
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NeurosisHead posted:I feel like a white man born in the 40's in South Carolina calling a woman "handsome" is very much "I don't want to call her ugly BUT" It’ll get you slapped if you’re a Starfleet captain
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Invalid Validation posted:I think that was the idea but he never pulls the trigger. I don’t known what difference it would make since Birgette couldn’t like hook up with him anyways. He's just a really ugly kid. It happens.
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yeah i don't think 'described as physically 'ugly' but is fairly charming' is really a unique trait that only one character ever can occupy, especially given how many others are described as being beautiful/handsome in some form. you're gonna have a few of them, and olver is very much set up as growing up in the footsteps of mat and the band of the red hand in terms of being kinda rogueish and having a certain sort of pull to him even if people think he's kinda goofy looking. also i could have seen him having a relevant role in the theoretical mat/tuon followup story, especially if everyone was all a bit older when it would have taken place
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please, olver was clearly a moiraine
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https://vxtwitter.com/HollywoodHandle/status/1758661606471602389?t=pPgkCNYAm6oUMdymS2wE2w&s=19 Red Eagle (iWoT) continuing to do their grifter thing
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Feb 18, 2024 11:54
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gently caress those asshats
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El Grillo posted:https://vxtwitter.com/HollywoodHandle/status/1758661606471602389?t=pPgkCNYAm6oUMdymS2wE2w&s=19 AI really is the new refuge for the unfathomably untalented, huh? Makes me root even harder for generative model-poisoning software like Nightshade to just absolutely ruin every Generative AI algorithm with garbage data and gently caress all these grifting hacks up royally.
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Does iWoT have the rights to create new books in the Wheel of Time universe? That seems like a pretty obvious thing for Harriet and company *not* to have signed over to another entity.
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I believe the rights were signed when Jordan was still alive so I really doubt it.
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Flowing Thot posted:I've kind of settled on the show is fine/good, but a poor adaption of the books. This is where I am too. I have enjoyed the show so far but think the majority of the diversions from the books are either unnecessary or worsen the overall plot or individual characterisations.
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Feb 19, 2024 13:31
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I'm firmly on the "the show is a great adaptation" feeling.
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silvergoose posted:I'm firmly on the "the show is a great adaptation" feeling.
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silvergoose posted:I'm firmly on the "the show is a great adaptation" feeling.
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silvergoose posted:I'm firmly on the "the show is a great adaptation" feeling.
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The show has a lot of problems but the high notes are very high and for everything else the books are still right there.
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I'm mostly missing the grace notes, the parts between the plot that livened the characters and their setting between hitting the major plot points (which I think they've also done a bad job hitting). Thom's relationship with the boys (lol remember him trying to convince to join him), Moiraine's cold facade cracking around Egwene as she helped her move along the path, the sort of heart warming stuff that made the series shine early on. I was talking to someone irl and they were asking me if Nynaeve sucked as much in the books. No! Nynaeve is cool as hell!
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Feb 19, 2024 19:37
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Nyneave is pretty awful by this point in the books.
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Early Nynaeve can be fun on a re-read because you know where her character is going but yeah she sucks pretty hard early on
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Flowing Thot posted:I've kind of settled on the show is fine/good, but a poor adaption of the books. The show seems to have found stable footing for the most part but yeah it's much more enjoyable if you look at it as "inspired by" (or even another turn of the wheel with similar trappings) rather than a faithful adaptation of the books. Which is good enough, IMO. If they can continue to gradually improve each season and land big moments like Rhuidean, Dumai's Wells, or the Cleansing then a reassessment will be in order. Shageletic posted:I was talking to someone irl and they were asking me if Nynaeve sucked as much in the books. No! Nynaeve is cool as hell! Nynaeve isn't bad in the books but she does get stuck in the role of overbearing older sister for way too long. Fortunately Nynaeve in the show is amazing and owns every time she shows up, with the exception of the S2 finale.
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Nynaeve is good once you realize she's the personification of dramatic irony and the unreliable narrator She's a young adult trying to protect and corral a bunch of other stubborn young adults and the only tool she knows is to out-stubborn them DarkHorse fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Feb 19, 2024 |
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A tv show can't do the books justice without at least 20+ episodes per book. As it is, I think they did the best they could (apart from Loial's awful wig)
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Ungratek posted:Nyneave is pretty awful by this point in the books. She's cool in that one chapter in book 7
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Ungratek posted:Nyneave is pretty awful by this point in the books. I just did a reread and she comes off aloy better than what I remembered. She's a young adult trying to take care of ppl younger than her and shows signs of maturity throughout it. Also liked how she helped Rand hide in the beginning of the second book, and her throwing twisters around and general badasserry in Falme, all points inexplicably not hit on in the show. It absolutely sucks that she ends on a point of failure there too.
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DarkHorse posted:Nynaeve is good once you realize she's the personification of dramatic irony and the unreliable narrator E;fb
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I've always enjoyed her parallels to Mat, who's also a big dramatic irony unreliable narrator character.
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That blog I was reading along pointed out their similarity and how unintentionally funny they are, and how Branderson sort of botched it, thinking that Mat was more of a intentionally funny guy while Nynaeave was more straight laced. A rogue is a rogue, right? Lol.
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Shageletic posted:I just did a reread and she comes off aloy better than what I remembered. She's a young adult trying to take care of ppl younger than her and shows signs of maturity throughout it. Yea, but you can't unread it the first time. The first read through it's very common for people to have an early negative opinion of her in the books. She's overbearing, hypocritical, and just flat wrong very frequently about big things. But it's when you finish the story and see things later on that recontextualize her early story parts that she really shines. The show can't have that. The books are done and published, and have been for decades. And I'm glad they're not trying to. They're already letting her shine, but are still bringing in some of those rough edges that define a lot of what Nyneave is going through. Like her constantly trying to just find Egwene in Falme and ignore literally all of the dangers. She's just trying to out-stubborn everyone. As is usual.
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Shageletic posted:I just did a reread and she comes off aloy better than what I remembered. She's a young adult trying to take care of ppl younger than her and shows signs of maturity throughout it.
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Oasx posted:A tv show can't do the books justice without at least 20+ episodes per book. As it is, I think they did the best they could (apart from Loial's awful wig) In the TV context, the show is crying out for GoT-length seasons. Those extra two to three hours are a lot. 20+ episodes is way too much. The early books in particular are basically linear road adventures, you don't actually want to slow down the pace too much.
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Lack of episodes is a problem but a bigger problem seems to have been the nature of shooting live action has a lot of secondary issues that require rewriting and rearranging. Sets are expensive; if you hire actors you have to use them and can't just have them gently caress off for seasons at a time then reappear; special effects cost money; actors sometimes quit, and covid happens, among other limitations.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Lack of episodes is a problem but a bigger problem seems to have been the nature of shooting live action has a lot of secondary issues that require rewriting and rearranging. Sets are expensive; if you hire actors you have to use them and can't just have them gently caress off for seasons at a time then reappear; special effects cost money; actors sometimes quit, and covid happens, among other limitations. Problems that are less of a problem with an animated series, and yet another reason why WoT makes more sense in that format. (As has been suggested numerous times, likely even by you in this very thread.)
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