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Captain Invictus posted:There's even an emote for it, which also immediately got run straight into the ground when it was introduced Jose posted:its 16 years old lol lmao (resigned)
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Feb 20, 2024 13:16
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Jose posted:its 16 years old lol Sounds like something an 07 would say  :07: 
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Feb 20, 2024 14:22
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Ahh poo poo, that's a lot of posts.Begemot posted:The only time this series has ever presented actual hard-number power levels, Lucci was the top scorer. I love this because it's like a lampooning of power levels. Oh, yeah, our secret government assassin group measures our strength by hitting our roly-poly teammate as hard as possible and then he assigns us a number. I'm glad it never gets brought up again after this because it would ruin the bit.
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Feb 20, 2024 14:35
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I hope it gets brought up exactly once more if we ever see fukurou again, in that he says "oh yeah I stopped doing that because it almost killed me"
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Feb 20, 2024 14:47
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Captain Invictus posted:I hope it gets brought up exactly once more if we ever see fukurou again, in that he says "oh yeah I stopped doing that because it almost killed me" Lucci goes awakening mode demanding to know how strong he is and Fukurou just starts crying
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Feb 20, 2024 14:50
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That "My Mom Reads One Piece" series just hit Marineford, if you're into seeing people get emotional about Crescent Moon Stache. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36JSzPYQ2gE
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Feb 20, 2024 14:55
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"If that's true, then physics as we know it is dead"
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Feb 20, 2024 17:05
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Captain Invictus posted:forums...forums never change That's exactly why they died out! 
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Feb 20, 2024 17:12
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DizzyBum posted:Ahh poo poo, that's a lot of posts. Tbh even in Ennies Lobby the power levels barely meant anything, like yeah ostensibly Kaku and Jabura are on par but like nearly any ungulate is significantly stronger than a wolf, let alone a giraffe, the one that fights off apex predators.
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Feb 20, 2024 17:50
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OP power levels are just ”whatever’s cool for the moment” and thats fine
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Feb 20, 2024 19:05
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Rohan Kishibe posted:We got some memes out of it. I think rat Shanks is funnier than Fraudhawk, though. I absolutely love this edit where you've got memories/visions of the Gorosei beaming with love and friendship for Shanks 
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Feb 20, 2024 19:05
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Bisse posted:OP power levels are just ”whatever’s cool for the moment” and thats fine The secret is that that's power levels in general.
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Feb 20, 2024 19:12
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Bisse posted:OP power levels are just ”whatever’s cool for the moment” and thats fine I'm jelly of this av and yeah power levels are all made up. the narrative decides who wins
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Feb 20, 2024 19:16
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I R SMART LIKE ROCK posted:I'm jelly of this av and yeah power levels are all made up. the narrative decides who wins Exactly. The best recent example of this is the Seraphs. To make this arc's narrative work, they cannot be defeated, because it's important who has control over them. If Luffy and Zoro could simply punch them into submission, we wouldn't have stakes or excitement of scrambling to find the person with the right permissions, it wouldn't matter as much that there was a traitor or that Saturn was here, etc. So every time anyone fights one, they're just trying to delay or survive. Oda doens't even show the fight in much detail, it's not important, what matters is that they're unstoppable, but have conditions that could result in them being stopped that are not simply being better at violence, whether that's the controls programmed into them, or perhaps... the power of love and friendship? We'll see!
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Feb 20, 2024 19:23
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yeah multiple times, in the story, things have happened regardless of power levels. there was the old joke that Nami was the first member of the crew with Haki because she could hurt Luffy or Garp's Fist of Love. Sanji does the seemingly impossible and his only acknowledgment is a wink and a thumbs up vibes are what stories run on and we be chillin rn fam
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Feb 20, 2024 19:48
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The reveal that the entire time York has been on the Den Den Mushi with the Gorosei, she's actually been held captive by the Straw Hats was so loving cool.
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Feb 20, 2024 19:50
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Not entirely wrong, but for all the reasons listed in the past couple pages, do feel like it's a disservice to say it's all vibes given how relatively consistent Oda's actually been.
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Feb 20, 2024 20:07
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Plenty of stories try to coast on vibes and have nothing else of any substance, One Piece isn’t one of those
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Feb 20, 2024 21:03
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CatstropheWaitress posted:Not entirely wrong, but for all the reasons listed in the past couple pages, do feel like it's a disservice to say it's all vibes given how relatively consistent Oda's actually been. I can see your argument but it kinda implies vibes are lesser instead of a recontextualization. so to rephrase vibes are just emotions and this story does run on strong emotional threads Luffy doesn't bother to have the story broken down for him because all he needs to know is who is stealing all the food. he doesn't goes oh poo poo this guy's power level is over 9000 I better avoid him. he goes you hurt my friend and I don't like that
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Feb 20, 2024 21:14
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I've heard that sentiment in these threads a lot over the last 14 years but so much stuff that was claimed to be vibes like "why is sanji's leg on fire" and "why does luffy want to be pirate king" turn out to be important questions that are going to get answers. (haki is just ambition)
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Feb 20, 2024 21:16
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I liked during the Gear 5 debut when Gear 4 Snakeman’s punches were called out retroactively as something that should be impossible for rubber to do. Idk if Oda had that in mind when he first revealed Snakeman or if he’s just great at making it look like he had it planned all along.
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Feb 20, 2024 22:09
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Augus posted:I liked during the Gear 5 debut when Gear 4 Snakeman’s punches were called out retroactively as something that should be impossible for rubber to do. Idk if Oda had that in mind when he first revealed Snakeman or if he’s just great at making it look like he had it planned all along. doflamingo also acknowledges that gear 4 isn't working the way one would expect just a rubber fruit to work
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Feb 20, 2024 22:35
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I R SMART LIKE ROCK posted:I can see your argument but it kinda implies vibes are lesser instead of a recontextualization. so to rephrase vibes are just emotions and this story does run on strong emotional threads The only time there are numerical power levels they're kind of a joke, but instead there's this great concept of bounties. Bounties are obviously not objective- someone in universe had to make a guess or a value judgement- so it's not Dragonball power level nonsense in terms of arbitrarily defining characters... but it still lets us have the fun moments of being shocked at how big a number is next to someone's name. Honestly, I think Oda has done a great job mapping out a really coherent power-level terrain using mostly vibes. At least that's how it comes across to me. The relative power of two characters is usually really clear, if only in the vague sense of 'way more powerful' 'in the same league' or 'way weaker,' but then whatever needs to happen can happen, and it's exciting but not inexplicable when a weaker person beats a stronger person, 'cause it was just vibes to start with.
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Feb 20, 2024 22:49
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Yeah bounties are great because they're very clearly not an objective measurement of power, they're proof of a pirate's rep and that's much more important.
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Feb 20, 2024 22:56
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Incredibly funny that chopper had a bounty of like 50, then cured a plague and it went up to a 1000.
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Feb 20, 2024 23:08
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Runa posted:Yeah bounties are great because they're very clearly not an objective measurement of power, they're proof of a pirate's rep and that's much more important. Art imitates life
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Feb 20, 2024 23:10
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I dig that the One Piece live action used bounties to showcase how big a deal each of the various characters who showed up were, but were very careful not to show Mihawk's numerical bounty before the canceled stamp and him cutting the poster in half. It's such a big deal that Luffy ends the first season with the biggest bounty so showcasing that there are dudes around with bounties hundreds of times higher than that would have really screwed with things. Same deal in the comics, there is a gradual lift in the bounties but it isn't till hundreds of chapters in that we learn what the bounties were for Roger, Whitebeard, Kaido, Big Mom, Shanks, Mihawk etc.
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Feb 20, 2024 23:14
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iirc the earliest hint we get for how high up the big players are is right after Luffy's celebrating his $100 million bounty, it cuts over to a message to Whitebeard being delivered by a random newbie in Shanks's crew who's worth $90 million. So this big landmark number for Luffy puts him just over the lowest grunt on an Emperor's crew.
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Feb 20, 2024 23:50
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Begemot posted:Exactly. The Seraphim are kids and the Strawhats are cool dudes. So of course they pull their punches and don't just straight Merc some mind controlled elementary schoolers.
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Feb 20, 2024 23:59
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Last I remember they were pretty able to deal with them besides heart chats from S-Snake at least among the heavy hitters of the crew, but were threats to everyone else which is still the vast majority of most Yonko crews.
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Feb 21, 2024 07:59
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No Wave posted:I've heard that sentiment in these threads a lot over the last 14 years but so much stuff that was claimed to be vibes like "why is sanji's leg on fire" and "why does luffy want to be pirate king" turn out to be important questions that are going to get answers. (haki is just ambition) I guess nowadays he cut out the middleman and just thinks about spinning around real fast
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Feb 21, 2024 09:21
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Was Oda explaining Sanji got a powerup due to vinsmoke genetic experimentation Wano's greatest misstep? I think there's a strong argument for it.
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Feb 21, 2024 09:30
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Was Oda explaining Sanji got a powerup due to vinsmoke genetic experimentation Wano's greatest misstep? It doesn't beat the Yamato bait n' switch for me
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Feb 21, 2024 09:46
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Some interesting details involving BB from last chapter I didn't see mentioned: 1> Devon admires the Elder's power right before touching him, which could suggest that her copying plays some part in BB's ability to steal fruits. Might mean something, might not. The bigger detail is... 2> BB is mentioned as having a special lineage just a handful of chapters after Buccaneers are introduced during Kuma's flashback as an ancient bloodline near-eradicated for being a threat to the World Government. Like Kuma, BB is also a big ol' boy with some unusual physical properties, and this could play into how he manages to possess multiple fruits.
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Feb 21, 2024 09:48
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Was Oda explaining Sanji got a powerup due to vinsmoke genetic experimentation Wano's greatest misstep? IMO Sanji embracing his super soldier genes despite how much he hates having them so he can help make Luffy the pirate king isn’t all that bad. It’d be like if he started punching people because if he can’t make Luffy the king then what good are his hands anyway. If anything I think Kanjuro becoming/making a fiery hate paint blob monster was lamer, I don’t think everything burning down really accomplished anything, and unlike the Ice Oni virus we didn’t get a cool moment out of it.
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Feb 21, 2024 10:14
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I'll be real, i forgot that happened
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Feb 21, 2024 10:15
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It was aggressively mid so I can’t really blame you
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Feb 21, 2024 11:06
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I loved Wano but Kanjuro repeatedly coming back did feel like a misstep to me. I much preferred him getting cut down by Kiku, and even him surviving that initially but knowing he wasn't going to survive the night still kind of worked with him trying to get Kiku back only to be given a final blow by Kin'emon. The fire-paint-monster thing was just an extra step too far for me and I think Oda could have found a way to include Yamato having to race against time to get to the basement and stop the bombs there from exploding without it.
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Feb 21, 2024 11:30
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Last Celebration posted:IMO Sanji embracing his super soldier genes despite how much he hates having them so he can help make Luffy the pirate king isn’t all that bad. It’d be like if he started punching people because if he can’t make Luffy the king then what good are his hands anyway. what are you talking about, we got raizos whole thing about never being unprepared again after the castle fire 20 years ago and using the water zunesha sprayed all over zou to put it out along with jinbe doing the water manipulation. the whole point was cleansing fire of revenge being put out by cleansing water of purity, of looking to the future clear eyed having learned from the past but not being consumed by it, it was visual metaphor in this visual medium and it ruled
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