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The JSA itself is not above loving with Hakuho either-- they changed the rules around elder stocks when he retired IIRC in a way that seemed at the time to be targeted towards him, so I wouldn't be surprised if they are coming down extra hard on him because he's given them an excuse for any kind of response. I could be wrong, however. If he has condoned this behaviour or not done anything to rein in Hokuseiho, he deserves the response.
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Fearless posted:The JSA itself is not above loving with Hakuho either-- they changed the rules around elder stocks when he retired IIRC in a way that seemed at the time to be targeted towards him, so I wouldn't be surprised if they are coming down extra hard on him because he's given them an excuse for any kind of response. Don't think they are coming down on him unfairly on this. Stablemasters getting hammered when their dudes gently caress up seems par for the course. Isegahama and Michinoku both lost their director spots for bullying issues so demotion seems like default punishment.
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Bunch of awful poo poo happened in Naurto beya last year and absolutely nothing came of it. I do think they're being extra hard on Hakuho but it does seem like he does deserve some kind of reprimand.
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Boogalo posted:Bunch of awful poo poo happened in Naurto beya last year and absolutely nothing came of it. I do think they're being extra hard on Hakuho but it does seem like he does deserve some kind of reprimand. Not arguing that he doesn't deserve some kind of reprimand because at face value we have a rikishi whose behaviour was chronically terrible and whose stablemaster did not correct it. I'm just not sure I trust a JSA that includes individuals like Shibatayama to be deciding what is and is not appropriate here.
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Shitbat ordered a code red on one of his wrestlers and still got promoted, so yeah.
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Palate cleanser: https://x.com/SumoFollower/status/1759644497284050980?s=20
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I know everything on Sumo Prime Time is by its nature a puff piece, but I like what Kak has to say. He doesn't really talk about winning or getting his guys to sekitori/Makuuchi/etc as goals, but rather just training and developing them effectively. And talking about how he needs to work on his communication skills and earning the trust if his kids seems like something that wouldn't even occur to more authoritarian coaches. Also interesting to hear about the recruiting roadblock of parents not wanting their kids to go into pro sumo because they are afraid of what happens if they don't make it to the top ranks.
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yeah can't feel too sorry for hakuho on this one tho i'm glad he's just demoted and not out of sumo. obv hokuseiho would deserve a forced resignation no matter what his in ring career looked like but i cant even feel its a waste from what we saw. young enough he could've put it together obv but he showed no signs of change and was the most boring top level rikishi to watch
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There is a post on the sumo subreddit that quotes this Yahoo Japan news post (I cannot see it as I am in the U.K.). Apparently Hokuseiho not only bullied people but stole money from the younger wrestlers.
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Dipping pockets in the locker room is such a lovely move, absolute banishment is the only thing you can do to someone who steals from team mates in any sport, and he apparently did it more than once? Does suck to hear Hak didn't control the situation, I read a translation from a tabloid that alluded to Hokuseiho having "dirt" on Hak as the reason, but surely that's just tabloid speculation.
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Feb 22, 2024 09:55
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Robbing kids when you're on salary rank is somehow even more pathetic.
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Bullying and stealing are bad things to do but controversial opinion: he's only 22 and grew up in an environment where these things are kinda common. He should be given a chance to repent and do better.
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bessantj posted:There is a post on the sumo subreddit that quotes this Yahoo Japan news post (I cannot see it as I am in the U.K.). Apparently Hokuseiho not only bullied people but stole money from the younger wrestlers. I got the same message about the UK, and I was curious so I fired up the VPN: quote:It has been learned that Hokuseiho, a makuuchi sumo wrestler who grew up in Sapporo, has been recommended to retire after assaulting a junior wrestler. Officials say he will submit his retirement notification on the 22nd.
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https://twitter.com/hakkeyoi_sumo/status/1760565993837896039 Seems the theft was something he'd done since he was in school, according to Nikkan Sports.  The poo poo just keeps getting worse: https://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2024/02/23/kiji/20240223s00005000010000c.html DeepL posted:The Japan Sumo Association will hold a special board of directors meeting at Ryogoku Kokugikan in Tokyo today to discuss disciplinary action against Miyagino Oyakata (former yokozuna Hakuho) for his supervisory responsibility for the violent behavior of his apprentice, makuuchi Hokushobo (22). It is known that the Compliance Committee (chaired by Takayuki Aonuma, former chief public prosecutor of Nagoya High Public Prosecutors Office), which was commissioned to investigate the matter, has compiled a proposal for a two-level demotion, a pay cut, and a recommendation that Hokushobo retire. What in the absolute gently caress. Bentai fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Feb 22, 2024 |
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Not to downplay kleptomania but I mean that's quite a jump to a possible conclusion. It could actually be a condition. Or it could be a punk kid who likes free money and seems to get away with it? Or.. you know.. setting his teammates on fire.. what the gently caress
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Yeah, it's a bit of a jump to say it's a condition, odds are he's just been a petty thief all his life.
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It's more like he used spray cans to singe people, but, you know, tomayto, tomahto. What a jerk.
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Average Lettuce posted:Bullying and stealing are bad things to do but controversial opinion: he's only 22 and grew up in an environment where these things are kinda common. He should be given a chance to repent and do better. I was living on my own for 4 years by the time i was 22. Thats a whole adult.
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https://twitter.com/SumoFollower/status/1760877749495902583 https://twitter.com/SumoFollower/status/1760877755166511479 https://twitter.com/SumoFollower/status/1760856939720835182 Hakuho is losing his stable for an "unspecified period." Whoops. Bentai fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Feb 23, 2024 |
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Bentai posted:Hakuho is losing his stable for an "unspecified period."
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I'm really disappointed to hear that Miyagino knew what was going on specifically and did not do anything about it.
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Fluffdaddy posted:I was living on my own for 4 years by the time i was 22. Thats a whole adult. Still, your experience is not his. Having never been told no to what you do and suddenly having your career ended seems extreme. I'm not saying he should not be punished. And hell, I'd say Hakuho should be more severely punished, his inaction led to two rikishi continue suffering from bullying and stealing, and another one to lose his career.
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Average Lettuce posted:And hell, I'd say Hakuho should be more severely punished, his inaction led to two rikishi continue suffering from bullying and stealing, and another one to lose his career. DeepL posted:The report states, "Considering the fact that Miyagino has been punished three times during his active career, it is inappropriate for him to remain a member of the Sumo Association, which is a public interest corporation and has pledged to eradicate violence, and his responsibility is extremely grave, so we have determined that a disciplinary action involving demotion and reduction in compensation is appropriate. The committee also concluded that it was inappropriate for him to remain in his position as a member of the Sumo Association.
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Chris Sumo video dropped about a half hour ago with more details and some really important, albeit scary, context. I know there's a pervasive culture of bullying that they're trying to get rid of and that considered I do think it was the right move to force him to retire. The level of bullying he was getting away with was beyond the pale, and even though it's easy to say that it wouldn't have been as bad were it not for Miyagino's negligence, I'm not so sure how much his presence would put a damper on the root issue. Like others have said, he's a whole rear end man and the best thing for him and his life is to face some adult consequences. I do feel bad for him in the sense that he's probably never learned this lesson hard enough and early enough to curb it sooner but I do not feel worse for him than I do the guys he victimized. I can't fathom being one of those victims and watch him walk back in the door after getting a finger wag and suspension. His giant Baby Huey rear end can learn to be a functional adult somewhere else where it isn't a literal privilege to work.
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More from Kyodo via The Japan Times (depaywalled): https://archive.ph/7Wf9W
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One of the interesting bits in Chris' vid is that apparently Hokuseiho had been the most senior person living at the stable for many months, which I can only imagine made things more problematic. I think Hokuseiho is young enough that he could easily pivot elsewhere and be successful. He could probably join that international sumo league or whatever and run the show. I guess some other recent retirees have taken up mma, and while Hokuseiho had the build for something like that, he'd be even more hampered by his lack of technique there.
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22 is old enough to know better AND it still seems like he lacked some important guidance during these still-formative years of his life.
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There’s a lot to say on the matter, but I’ll just say this: I won’t miss watching his sumo.
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gently caress 'em
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This may be very telling on my childhood but I get the smack from a broom handle but the gluing of the wrestlers hand, that's got to be criminal surely.
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Disappointed in Hak, and I can see the logic for the punishment - he's the GOAT and someone who was purportedly pushing the sport forward with his training but he turned a blind eye to his top rated guy being a bully? Sucks.
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Feb 23, 2024 21:51
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22 is p drat young and i've certainly grown and changed considerably as a person since then. we're not talking about a guy who snapped in anger and/or drunkeness and did something dumb once tho but a consistent pattern of abuse towards people who have to live with him and essentially be his domestic servants. i'm ok with saying he cant participate in the sport anymore given the nature of the heya environment and see it as different from a lifetime ban of a player in a normal team sport. it is a drat shame for all involved hakuho couldn't/didn't rein him in before it got to this point if everything alleged is true Thauros fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Feb 23, 2024 |
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I hope tochinoshin has a happy, fulfilling retirement and that his injuries heal up well
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inshallah we don't have any sort of this manner of problems with Hakuoho and he can fulfill his potential
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loving hak, you dipshit good riddance hok gross poo poo
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You ever want to do a little light exercise the Tobizaru way? (click for Amazon Japan page)
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The banzuke is up! https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoBanzuke/index/
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Happy Haru Banzuke Day: https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoBanzuke/index/ (lower divisions may not be updated as of this post)
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