Witeldram posted:

Due to all the controversy surrounding Red Bull, Red Bull should be banned from all future races until further notice

Harry Lime posted:

This piece by Kate Wager was up on Road and Track was pulled within a day of it going up I have to imagine due to it being pretty critical and I expect not to the liking of the sponsor but it's still on various web archival sites and is worth the read.


https://web.archive.org/web/20240301170542/https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a46975496/behind-f1-velvet-curtain/

refleks posted:

It's gonna turn out that the leak came from Red Bull itself...

quote:

But then the Thai Yoovidhya clan, majority owners of Red Bull GmbH, are said to have placed their protective hand over Horner. On February 28, the results of the Horner investigation were presented in a brief press release - and to the surprise of many who had seen the evidence, Horner was exonerated.

To this day, there are doubts about the independence of the investigation, and BusinessF1 's story lists numerous details that support these suspicions. Also in relation to who ultimately hired the lawyer. And, bizarre detail: After Horner was questioned, he is said to have gone on vacation for two weeks and was unavailable.

This in turn apparently annoyed people, not named by BusinessF1 , who had become aware of the matter. They decided to take matters into their own hands and began leaking information to the media.

refleks posted:

It's gonna turn out that the leak came from Red Bull itself...

serious gaylord posted:

The head of the FIA asked Max to publically back Horner.

Feel like this is something that shouldnt be going on.

serious gaylord posted:

The head of the FIA asked Max to publically back Horner.

Feel like this is something that shouldnt be going on.

Awkward Davies posted:

I really enjoyed this. I was curious whether there was any discussion about it so I looked it up on the Reddit f1 sub and the few comments the submission got are overwhelmingly negative lol

Just-In-Timeberlake posted:

She’s a woman and a cycling reporter, she’s the antithesis of what those basement dwellers would consider informed journalism

Thanks Ants posted:

Isn't Business F1 the publication that made up the story about Susie Wolff and said Mazepin was awesome

marshalljim posted:

Yes, it's pretty much a tabloid. The latest issue has a story about Guenther's firing titled "Death of the clown".

serious gaylord posted:

The head of the FIA asked Max to publically back Horner.

Feel like this is something that shouldnt be going on.

Awkward Davies posted:

I really enjoyed this. I was curious whether there was any discussion about it so I looked it up on the Reddit f1 sub and the few comments the submission got are overwhelmingly negative lol

Awkward Davies posted:

I really enjoyed this. I was curious whether there was any discussion about it so I looked it up on the Reddit f1 sub and the few comments the submission got are overwhelmingly negative lol

Diorama posted:

serious gaylord posted:

Im not quite sure why they invited her because this is literally what she does for a living. I think it was the warts and all expose of how ridiculous the F1 show is.

SlowBloke posted:

I wouldn't be surprised at Ineos being the cause of the removal, most of the article was mocking the trip they offered without any positive press about their off-road toy. The f1 circus was mentioned in passing compared to the fancy treats offered by the robber barons.

quote:

The affair surrounding Christian Horner, the team boss of Red Bull Racing, is not coming to an end. After a highly explosive data leak became known , which was leaked to hundreds of people in the Formula 1 paddock on the sidelines of the season opener in Bahrain, a story that contains new explosive material is now appearing in the March issue of the industry magazine BusinessF1 .

Oliver Mintzlaff (right) actually wanted to throw Christian Horner out
On 17 pages, the Horner affair is detailed in detail and, among other things, the name of the employee who made the allegations against Horner is mentioned for the first time. It is told how the woman collapsed on the sidelines of a racing weekend and, crying, told colleagues for the first time about her boss's transgressive behavior.

serious gaylord posted:

The head of the FIA asked Max to publically back Horner.

Feel like this is something that shouldnt be going on.

wicka posted:

That's gotta be it for MBS, that's completely hosed

wicka posted:

That's gotta be it for MBS, that's completely hosed

Tony quidprano posted:

The problem with MBS is that he is the end byproduct of the FIA and the racing community at large being perfectly fine with opaque authoritarian regimes with questionable human rights records dumping money into it to whitewash themselves and their behaviour. He is what the people who voted for him to be president wanted and that is not going away just because he's saying what they're thinking out loud.

wicka posted:

Counterpoint: the FIA loves nothing more than swinging their dicks around and feeling important and historically that has meant the exact opposite of going to bat for F1 team principals.

wicka posted:

That money comes from broadcasters, sponsors, and fans, all of whom don't want the bad press Horner is attracting. We've already seen this from Ford. Any sane person would want Horner out even if that sane person is overtly corrupt and only looking to enrich themself. Trying to cover it up makes zero sense from literally any perspective.

Harry Lime posted:

This piece by Kate Wager was up on Road and Track was pulled within a day of it going up I have to imagine due to it being pretty critical and I expect not to the liking of the sponsor but it's still on various web archival sites and is worth the read.


https://web.archive.org/web/20240301170542/https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a46975496/behind-f1-velvet-curtain/

Tony quidprano posted:

All that money goes to Liberty, FIA gets its money through licensing fees from the teams and circuits. What possible motive would MBS have for just pissing all over liberty's side of the revenue stream by making this poo poo stick around in the news cycle longer ????