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Eiba
Jul 26, 2007


Ryaomon posted:

Rebecca is fine goons are just weird.
Nah, her story was really disappointing. She's an accomplished gladiator but the whole point of her story is that Kyros should be protecting her. So the culmination of her character arc, where she's been put in a terrible situation and persevered with her kindness intact is to... do nothing and help no one while Kyros protects her and Robin watches. Like, her whole fighting style is dodging and in the big confrontation with Diamante all she has to do is do is dodge so Kyros can focus on attacking and... she just stands there while Robin protects her. She's just an object in Kyros's story. Her own character and capabilities are entirely irrelevant past her introduction. The story all but explicitly says that, as a woman, she should not be fighting... in a shonen battle manga where fighting ability is what makes a character cool and relevant.

I will say though one thing that slightly brought me around on the character was actually just this last chapter where she's training with Kyros. That is a very sweet resolution for both characters- Kyros felt violence was his burden and he didn't want his daughter to carry it... but she spent years in the arena and was very physically capable on her own, and now in happier times they get to train together at something both have an aptitude for in a setting where they can actually enjoy it as a shared interest. I feel like Oda really wanted to tell Kyros's story as a father during Dressrosa and didn't stop to think about Rebecca's perspective until later, and now that he has he's acknowledging that her ability to fight is a positive part of who she is.

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mikeycp
Nov 24, 2010

I've changed a lot since I started hanging with Sonic, but I can't depend on him forever. I know I can do this by myself! Okay, Eggman! Bring it on!
she's gonna come back and kick rear end with dad

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool
rebecca and kyros fighting side by side against one of the antagonists would have been so much better. after that she could be like ok im so relieved i never have to fight anymore now that my dad and country are free.

actively showing her hating every second of fighting would have gone a long way too.

honestly out of all of the new world arcs i think dressrosa was the worst for a ton of little reasons like that. still a good arc tho.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
There's a lot I dislike about dressrosa. But I like Bart.

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool

No Wave posted:

There's a lot I dislike about dressrosa. But I like Bart.

the grand fleet kicks rear end

GATOS Y VATOS
Aug 22, 2002


Teriyaki Koinku posted:

I just bought plane tickets and made my hotel reservation for Tokyo and plan to be there May 1-5. That being said, it turns out that the official One Piece store is also in Shibuya just down the block from where I will be staying.

Is there any merch or One Piece-related events or locations I should look out for while I'm there? Hell, I'd even do a themed cafe. It'll be my first time in Japan, so needless to say I'm super stoked already!

It's Golden Week then so expect occasional run-ins with businesses being shut for some days.

But yes! If you can get to Kumamoto you can see the One Piece statues!

https://fictionhorizon.com/the-locations-of-all-one-piece-statues-in-kumamoto-japan/

The problem is that Kumamoto is about as far south as you can get on the main islands, so taking a 7ish hour train ride to there probably isn't worth it.

I R SMART LIKE ROCK
Mar 10, 2003

I just want a hug.

Fun Shoe

Eiba posted:

Nah, her story was really disappointing. She's an accomplished gladiator but the whole point of her story is that Kyros should be protecting her. So the culmination of her character arc, where she's been put in a terrible situation and persevered with her kindness intact is to... do nothing and help no one while Kyros protects her and Robin watches. Like, her whole fighting style is dodging and in the big confrontation with Diamante all she has to do is do is dodge so Kyros can focus on attacking and... she just stands there while Robin protects her. She's just an object in Kyros's story. Her own character and capabilities are entirely irrelevant past her introduction. The story all but explicitly says that, as a woman, she should not be fighting... in a shonen battle manga where fighting ability is what makes a character cool and relevant.

I will say though one thing that slightly brought me around on the character was actually just this last chapter where she's training with Kyros. That is a very sweet resolution for both characters- Kyros felt violence was his burden and he didn't want his daughter to carry it... but she spent years in the arena and was very physically capable on her own, and now in happier times they get to train together at something both have an aptitude for in a setting where they can actually enjoy it as a shared interest. I feel like Oda really wanted to tell Kyros's story as a father during Dressrosa and didn't stop to think about Rebecca's perspective until later, and now that he has he's acknowledging that her ability to fight is a positive part of who she is.

yeah post timeskip had some rough edges on those first couple of arcs. it pulls back up for Big Mom and onward tho

Baron La Croix
Nov 2, 2010

rastah farah
sonnah maddah fah
I didn't much like Fishman Island, Punk Hazard or Dressrosa. My interest was honestly on the wane.
Then "Raizo is alive and well!" and I was back IN

Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

Fight for all that is beautiful in the world

I pre-ordered a Yamato figure and I wish I could pre-order more of them

scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007

Baron La Croix posted:

I didn't much like Fishman Island, Punk Hazard or Dressrosa. My interest was honestly on the wane.
Then "Raizo is alive and well!" and I was back IN

zou is definitely the arc where oda assuaged the fears of his more fickle audience. wano foreshadowing, void century info, furries, it was catnip for the itinerant fans

Augus
Mar 9, 2015


There’s a lot I love about Dressrosa but it’s a big stretch of the manga where Oda kinda just stopped having female characters do cool things even for small token moments. Rebecca dodges an attack from Cabbagedish and Robin lets herself be a human shield, that’s kinda it for the entire 100-chapter arc.

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Eiba posted:

Like, her whole fighting style is dodging and in the big confrontation with Diamante all she has to do is do is dodge so Kyros can focus on attacking and... she just stands there while Robin protects her.

yeah I think this quote and the bolded in particular are the biggest flubs of this storyline. Honestly cut out "but Robin needed to show up and shield her" and you still have a pretty solid fight/resolution: Diamante is fighting Kyros while Rebecca looks on, maybe Kyros gets the upper hand on Diamante and in order to turn the tables attacks Rebecca who just easily dodges and makes some pithy remark about how dodging is her specialty, and Kyros can focus on offense. Maybe to even make it better her skill at dodging comes into play with her coaching her dad to spot Diamante's tells/openings. Like I do totally get the whole "she was just a little girl who needed to learn how to fight while hating violence so now her dad can go back to protecting her" but she needed to contribute in some way to the conclusion and she really didn't...Robin showing up to be her bodyguard was honestly just salt on the wound because it made her even more pointless and helpless, and even undercut the main idea that her dad just wanted to be the one to protect her!

Augus posted:

There’s a lot I love about Dressrosa but it’s a big stretch of the manga where Oda kinda just stopped having female characters do cool things even for small token moments. Rebecca dodges an attack from Cabbagedish and Robin lets herself be a human shield, that’s kinda it for the entire 100-chapter arc.

Yeah this is the big problem, there's not any other strong women amongst the gladiators/Grand Fleet candidates, and even the handful of women on Dofla's crew have weird undertones of them being weaker/more pointless. Sugar is by far the most threatening but has the whole gag about looking like a small child so you can't punch her and she faints from being surprised, Baby 5's whole thing where she just needed a man to say he needed her, the art lady and the vacuum lady don't do a ton; it's just like for this one arc Oda decided to regress back to the 90s before getting it out of his system and adding kick rear end women in Whole Cake and Wano.

Eiba
Jul 26, 2007


Dressrosa was a fun island. I actually really liked dropping everything to have an inappropriately timed tournament arc. There were some good Franky/Luffy moments where they were being real casual about all the insanity related to that. Every single crazy character introduced in the Coliseum was fantastic, with Chinjao and his conqueror's haki being a highlight. It really expanded the world in a way that felt good for the story. Bartolomeo and Cavendish are fantastic characters too.

I liked Fujitora as an interesting representative of a certain kind of Marine mindset.

I liked everything happening on Green Bit- dumb disguises, Law and the secret dealing, the dwarves loving Noland and therefore Usopp, freeing the den den mushi, the three way fight with Fujitora.

I think Sanji and Violet was one of the few times his dumb gimmick actually worked and was funny, mainly because she had agency in what happened and ended up using Sanji who was happy to be used. Sanji's brief conflict with Doflamingo was cool a gently caress.

Brook had one of his best fights defending the Sunny by playing to his strength as an artist and an affable guy with a keen principled soul, and then they ran into Big Mom's ship, which was fantastic setup, and honestly a great decision to keep half the crew out of that arc to keep from overcrowding it.

Law's flashback, and by extension Doflamingo's, was one of the best in the series. So much got packed into that, and Doflamingo's whole organization was incredibly interesting as a group of weirdos and misfits coming together as a found family who were, through the vile force of personality that Doflamingo represents, horrible. Bellamy coming back and his desire to get Doflamingo's approval in that context was so good.

Usopp's fight with Sugar was perfect- both an amazing feat of ingenuity and sniping skill, but also just hilarious. God Usopp was such a fantastic thing for his character.

Franky vs Señor Pink was possibly one of the best fights in all of One Piece.

There's a lot of great stuff in Dressrosa. There was just some not great stuff in Dressrosa as well.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

There was a lot of stuff period and that was also a problem

GATOS Y VATOS
Aug 22, 2002


Meowywitch posted:

I pre-ordered a Yamato figure and I wish I could pre-order more of them

:hmmyes:

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
Luffy making an admiral friend by pointing out the casino people are scamming him because he's blind is fun

Nikumatic
Feb 13, 2012

a fantastic machine made of meat

Waffleman_ posted:

There was a lot of stuff period and that was also a problem

I feel this a lot for Dressrosa and Wano both. I still don't feel like I have a grasp on every character, and their movements and machinations from the latter because I haven't gone back and re-read it from the beginning. I liked Dressrosa far more on re-read just because it was a lot easier to keep track of what the hell was going on at any given moment and I suspect the same will hold true for Wano, but I feel like they're just consequences of the world and cast having gotten so huge at this point and Oda not slowing down for a second in continuing to expand those as he goes.

Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

Fight for all that is beautiful in the world


its cray theres like a $500 yamato figure and like...yeah its beautiful but wow $500 I could buy like half of the entirety of one piece with that

scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007
dressrosa and wano are the arcs most improved by animation so its a shame that they are by far the worst paced anime arcs

Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

Fight for all that is beautiful in the world

scary ghost dog posted:

dressrosa and wano are the arcs most improved by animation so its a shame that they are by far the worst paced anime arcs

are they tolerable One Paced?

Eiba
Jul 26, 2007


Meowywitch posted:

are they tolerable One Paced?
I've only watched One Pace so I don't know how it compares to the regular anime, but Dressrosa still isn't great. The art just looks bad compared to the manga. Wano at least has moments of beautiful animation but the last time I checked One Pace hadn't finished it yet.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Yeah, Dressrosa was still when the production quality of the anime wasn't great.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Meowywitch posted:

I pre-ordered a Yamato figure and I wish I could pre-order more of them

Please to share the link.

Augus
Mar 9, 2015


Waffleman_ posted:

Yeah, Dressrosa was still when the production quality of the anime wasn't great.

It’s also one of the first arcs that One Pace covered so it has a lot of amateurish editing choices. A lot of abrupt cuts where they aren’t necessary, stuff that should’ve been cut but wasn’t, and the Mulan world theme from Kingdom Hearts 2 randomly pops up at one point for some reason.

Scholtz
Aug 24, 2007

Zorchin' some Flemoids

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FriesYSn_zI

You don't think this is peak animation?

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool

Waffleman_ posted:

Yeah, Dressrosa was still when the production quality of the anime wasn't great.

by far the lowest part of the anime

gripes with the new world:
- fishman island was a little too long. all it needed to do was establish shirahoshi/the ark, do the fisher tiger flashback stuff, and spend like ten seconds on hody and his nerds because luffy and co needed to show how powerful theyd become. also all of the sanji poo poo, big pass on that.
- punk hazard was pretty cool, but since it wasn a typical arc i think it needed to lean a little more into the adventure/wonder aspects.
- dressrosa birdcage and rebecca
- wano is really good, honestly. i think its maybe a little too isolated as an arc, as most of the events dont seem to intertwine much with the outside story as foreshadowing or payoff or otherwise, but the length does a lot of service to make luffy go from commander to yonko level in a short period of time
- egghead is peak, so far.

Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

Fight for all that is beautiful in the world

Dawgstar posted:

Please to share the link.

https://otakumode.com/shop/657bbc4effe2e5001de8e047/Ichibansho-Figure-One-Piece-Yamato-TBA

Scholtz
Aug 24, 2007

Zorchin' some Flemoids



wuh-oh

GATOS Y VATOS
Aug 22, 2002



Oh dang that's a really good one and reasonably priced as well

Zodar
May 21, 2007

Zou & Whole Cake Island were the post-timeskip arcs with the best narrative structure & flow, even if other arcs have individual scenes with higher highs. a lot of that is just Oda repeating beats from Water 7/Enies Lobby, but they're loving good beats -- rescuing a crew member whose past has finally caught up with them, ending the arc with the crew making a fighting retreat while Luffy gets in a big straightforward slugfest, it's good poo poo.

Egghead has been great but i'm curious to see how it wraps -- right now it feels like anything can happen, but one of the possibilities is "confusing 12-car pileup where so many things happen so quickly that they lose their individual weight." started to feel like that after Kuma's big cathartic punch got multiple chapters of flashback as windup, only for Saturn to basically shrug it off. we'll see!!

Evil Eagle
Nov 5, 2009

Scholtz posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FriesYSn_zI

You don't think this is peak animation?

zelda cdi

Nikumatic
Feb 13, 2012

a fantastic machine made of meat
I liked Whole Cake on first read. I loved Whole Cake on re-read. It's definitely my favorite New World arc at this current point in time.

scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007

Meowywitch posted:

are they tolerable One Paced?

no, the issues with dressrosa are multitudinous and cant be fixed with a re-edit, and the issue with wano is that half of it is paced far too slowly and the other half is perfect, leaving the one pace editors in something of a lurch. ultimately the best experience is still to read the manga, though i think egghead’s anime is completely fixed and i suggest all manga readers start tuning in now

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
what is teepublic quality like because that frog? no hippo tshirt seems unavailable anywhere else. i wihs uniqlo would do it

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017


Nice! Thank you!

Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

Fight for all that is beautiful in the world


at least the desc uses "their" :shrug:

tbp
Mar 1, 2008

DU WIRST NIEMALS ALLEINE MARSCHIEREN

Baron La Croix posted:

I didn't much like Fishman Island, Punk Hazard or Dressrosa. My interest was honestly on the wane.
Then "Raizo is alive and well!" and I was back IN

same, its a notably weaker stretch of the story.

The REAL Goobusters
Apr 25, 2008
Fish man Island sucked.

Punk Hazard was fine yet mid.

Dressrosa was too long but eventually ended up being sick as gently caress

Fungah!
Apr 30, 2011

scary ghost dog posted:

zou is definitely the arc where oda assuaged the fears of his more fickle audience. wano foreshadowing, void century info, furries, it was catnip for the itinerant fans

well put.

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Fungah!
Apr 30, 2011

*guy willfully ignoring gear 4*: meh.

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