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Take it to the dunc technical commentaries, nerd
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Maybe people are smaller in the future
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i think you have not taken into account the Holtzman Effect. rookie mistake.
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Arglebargle III posted:With all the DUNCposting on the internet I saw a couple videos on the ornithopters. Long story short -- insect flight doesn't work for larger bodies due to unavoidable properties of air. Even with future super-materials the wings would probably tear themselves apart flapping fast enough to generate sufficient lift. They also have machines that fold spacetime. The prescience only lets you avoid Sam Neill when you are Event Horizoning all over the shop.
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Mar 19, 2024 03:56
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Kazzah posted:Maybe people are smaller in the future The last 2 minutes of Dune 3 will be a twilight zone-style reveal where it turns out the characters were ants in a sandpit all along!!
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Mar 19, 2024 04:01
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Sure maybe ornithopters aren't physically feasible but it just wouldn't look the same if they were all using gas-powered golf carts with thick-tread tires and maybe a case of cold ones in the back
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Mar 19, 2024 04:06
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Arglebargle III posted:With all the DUNCposting on the internet I saw a couple videos on the ornithopters. Long story short -- insect flight doesn't work for larger bodies due to unavoidable properties of air. Even with future super-materials the wings would probably tear themselves apart flapping fast enough to generate sufficient lift. This doesn’t account for future super duper materials
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Mar 19, 2024 04:08
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It's scientifically accurate that you could divert pursuing worms by strategically throwing the empties
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Mar 19, 2024 04:09
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Arglebargle III posted:With all the DUNCposting on the internet I saw a couple videos on the ornithopters. Long story short -- insect flight doesn't work for larger bodies due to unavoidable properties of air. Even with future super-materials the wings would probably tear themselves apart flapping fast enough to generate sufficient lift. Given how much casual antigrav is around in these movies Im pretty sure they can reduce the amount of lift required
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Mar 19, 2024 04:13
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meganisoptera dragonflies on Earth have had over 2 foot wingspans in the past and they were barely made out of metal
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Mar 19, 2024 04:18
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Kazzah posted:Maybe people are smaller in the future So you're saying they were earthworms? God Hole posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meganisoptera It's something about vortices and ratio of viscosity to mass flow -- frankly all this aerospace stuff is above my head. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Mar 19, 2024 |
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Mar 19, 2024 04:19
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I liked this more than the first and I think made me retroactively appreciate the first more, although I haven't rewatched it. I still wish Denis remembered to hire lighting electricians or the colours weren't so desaturated. I think Chani was a big part of why I enjoyed part 2 more. The changes made to her character over the book were for the better and provided a character to actually sympathize with. I guess it's one of the points of the book but it kinda feels like I haven't been given a reason to care about any of what's happening (as Paul is obviously not somebody to root for), which makes it hard to engage with the movie. Making Chani more of a main character definitely helps though. Acting wise, Tim Chalamet just isn't doing it for me and was blown out of the water by Austin Butler (although the scene where he resigns to his fate and goes south was well acted). Stilgar was great. When the movie ended the vibe in the audience was basically "huh? That's it? Who are we rooting for?" Hopefully Denis makes part 3 or I think I'll come away from these movies with wondering what the point of any of it was. It doesn't feel like he's gotten to what the movie is about yet, other than maybe the last 20 minutes of part 2. But David Zaslav is a psychopath so who knows. stratdax fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Mar 19, 2024 |
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Mar 19, 2024 04:24
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in the future they develop the technology to put wheels inside of other wheels, it's why the ornithopters work
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Mar 19, 2024 04:35
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kalel posted:one can only wonder what kind of concessions he was forced to make to satisfy the bean counters I mean, we don't have to wonder, it's up there on screen Probably along the lines of "Idg all these minor characters, cut them out" or "Less politics and economics talk it's boring"
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Mar 19, 2024 06:43
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The Emperor is a forceful character in the book, but he and Fenring are basically the only semi-competent threat to Paul after Paul joins the Fremen. The movie did a decent job of making Feyd dangerous, and the idea seems to be that the whole edifice of the Imperium is sclerotic and barely functional, as embodied by Walken as a doddering old man. Mohiam says something about him getting kicked out by either Paul or Feyd in the near future, which isn't the situation in the book. Our choices are either pseudo-Muslim Jihad or Harkonnen Industrial Sadism (Biden vs Trump) (that's a joke).
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Mar 19, 2024 08:08
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Does anyone think the intention is to blend the two Fenrings into one character? I think that would be a good move, I never really understood or sympathized with Count Fenring in the first 3 books.
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Blood Boils posted:I mean, we don't have to wonder, it's up there on screen the interesting question IMHO is what are the things dv himself wanted to cut or emphasize in the process of adaptation, versus what are the things external forces (the screenwriters, the studio, the herbert estate/kj anderson) wanted him to cut or emphasize. I suspect villeneuve would have liked, in an ideal world, to make an 8 hr dune film to be more faithful to the book, but he was willing to compromise to put the most essential elements (to him) on screen at all. he says as much in the wormriding scene breakdown video, that he's still making peace with the adaptation himself.
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Mar 19, 2024 13:16
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I mean I know the general conception of "studio notes" is evil studio moneymen tearing apart the creative genius of visionary auteurs, and that's definitely a lot of it... But there's also plenty of "notes" that are just producers telling the director why the thing they want to do is unaffordable/unfilmable/problematic/confusing/unnecessary/whatever. Auteur theory is completely fake except in the sense that good directors are people that can consistently construct a great filmmaking team around themselves.
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Kazzah posted:Maybe people are smaller in the future apatheticman posted:https://www.indiewire.com/features/general/grimes-wanted-to-direct-dune-1234707150/ quote:“I was just crying my eyes out the whole movie,” Grimes said, noting that she was particularly moved by the film because the character of Paul (Timothée Chalamet) reminded her of her son X Æ A-12. “I just know X is going to have to go through all this really hosed-up poo poo that sort of mirrors Paul-type stuff,” she said. Edit: I want to peek into the Even Worse Timeline to see those tweets, though. Crazy poo poo about how her toddler is learning to walk and it's like the Weirding Way, or whatever. By the by, this is why maybe Jodorowsky wasn't the best person to direct a Dune movie, if you care about the message of the source material at all. I think he was pretty high on the idea of a messiah. Like he cast his own son as Paul, subjected him to 2 years of intense martial arts training, and combined with the fact that his father was literally a wizard, it was like he was supposed to be the closest thing to Paul Atreides in real life. I assume Brontis Jodorowsky isn't planning to kill more people than Hitler. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Mar 19, 2024 |
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edit:dp, sorry
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Tweets are Messages from the Woke
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Mar 19, 2024 15:59
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Grimes practicing her Bene Geserit voice on the nanny so her son can learn the way of presences and command.
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Mar 19, 2024 16:13
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Every rich American has nearly mastered the Voice when talking to their domestic help, they just have to tack on "or I'll have you deported" to the end of their command right now. So close!
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Mar 19, 2024 16:15
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This is canned spaghetti. Whoever controls it controls the universe.
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KirbyKhan posted:Grimes practicing her Bene Geserit voice on the nanny so her son can learn the way of presences and command. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnC1N5J10Kc
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Arglebargle III posted:With all the DUNCposting on the internet I saw a couple videos on the ornithopters. Long story short -- insect flight doesn't work for larger bodies due to unavoidable properties of air. Even with future super-materials the wings would probably tear themselves apart flapping fast enough to generate sufficient lift. Everybody forgets about the jet engines.
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all this really hosed-up poo poo that sort of mirrors Paul-type stuff
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did anyone post this yet because man oh man is she stupid https://twitter.com/NobleQAli/status/1769629964993802503
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Just saw it again. The one part that really feels unnecessary to me is the inclusion of Margot Fenring and her encounter with Feyd. In this version of the narrative it just doesn’t bring much to the table. Are we supposed to believe that her baby will be a threat to Paul? He’s already leaving Arrakis for his galactic jihad, Feyd is dead, and she’s probably only a few months along, to judge from Jessica’s progress. It would have been simpler to cut her character out and simply have Mohiam mention that they have Feyd as an alternative to Paul, and that they plan to breed him with a Bene Gesserit to produce a possible Kwisatz Haderach. The one scene that absolutely should have been in there was one following the scene in which the Emperor learns that Paul is still alive on Corrino. Have the Emperor meet representatives of the Spice Guild, have him make clear the stakes of Paul being Muad’dib and taking control of Arrakis for galactic civilization, and make clear that he has to attend to the issue personally. It would have been an extra 5 minutes but it would have greatly strengthened the last part of the film.
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MeinPanzer posted:Just saw it again. The one part that really feels unnecessary to me is the inclusion of Margot Fenring and her encounter with Feyd. In this version of the narrative it just doesn’t bring much to the table. Are we supposed to believe that her baby will be a threat to Paul? He’s already leaving Arrakis for his galactic jihad, Feyd is dead, and she’s probably only a few months along, to judge from Jessica’s progress. It would have been simpler to cut her character out and simply have Mohiam mention that they have Feyd as an alternative to Paul, and that they plan to breed him with a Bene Gesserit to produce a possible Kwisatz Haderach. It was nice to see a Bene Gesserit doing their core job, manipulating and breeding
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Steve Yun posted:It was nice to see a Bene Gesserit doing their core job, manipulating and breeding Sure, but I don’t think it warrants her inclusion when so much else has been cut. It just doesn’t add enough tension or momentum to the narrative to be worth an extra 10 minutes of footage.
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It's also to tell the audience about Feyd, quite literally during her debriefing afterward. It's doing a dual job of showing the BGs trying to keep their own plates spinning while establishing some details about this guy who is supposed to be Paul's dark twin but doesn't get enough time to really show it.
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disposablewords posted:It's also to tell the audience about Feyd, quite literally during her debriefing afterward. It's doing a dual job of showing the BGs trying to keep their own plates spinning while establishing some details about this guy who is supposed to be Paul's dark twin but doesn't get enough time to really show it. also right afterward Paul drops the bomb out of nowehere that Jessica is Vladimir's daughter, so Fenring's scene directly illustrates to the audience how something like that could just happen
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I think people are also kind of missing the point of the scenes that were included. Like, you all noticed that there's not a single scene with the Emperor that doesn't have Irulan standing next to him and/or speaking for him. Or that Irulan has a lot more screen time than the Emperor himself. Or that all of Irulan's scenes show how even The Emperor is being kept in the dark about lots of things, but SHE (and the other BG) know exactly what is going on the whole time. The scene with Lady Margot is both 1) really loving cool and trippy and ends with the iconic shot of the needle next to Feyd's neck as a really good visual storytelling way of showing that the BG think he's special, 2) shows how they are still moving pieces around even as Paul is stirring poo poo up in on Arrakis. It's important for the plot Denis wanted to tell.
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you can pry the lady fenring scene from my cold dead hands, its by far the best scene in the entire movie and its not particularly close
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all of the scenes are my favorite scenes. the only problem is that there aren't mooorrreee!!! strap that french canadian ~auteur~ bastard to a chair and give me the bloated janky 7 hour dune complete cut
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AnEdgelord posted:you can pry the lady fenring scene from my cold dead hands, its by far the best scene in the entire movie and its not particularly close Yeah it's an incredible scene. Was her outfit changing constantly during that scene or am I just remembering it wrong? It's great, anyway. Things look weird when people step in and out of shadows under the black sun. (On that note, I haven't seen a single "and furthermore-" post about the black sun anywhere. Either the internet has gotten something right for once, or staying off twitter was a great idea)
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Earlier in the thread someone posted a twitter thread about the black sun visualization making no scientific sense. Which I could have guessed in the middle of watching, but who cares? Looks rad.
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It's a great effect it's just that, to the human eye, the Geidi Prime "black" presumably red dwarf star would look very dim. Unless the Harkonnens can see near IR somehow.
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Arglebargle III posted:It's a great effect it's just that, to the human eye, the Geidi Prime "black" presumably red dwarf star would look very dim. Unless the Harkonnens can see near IR somehow. Dune is sci fi fantasy it doesn’t matter
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