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starkebn posted:Ever since watching "L'effondrement" with my partner two weeks ago she's been in a really bad mood Hahaha Which was her "favourite" episode
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Mar 23, 2024 09:54
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sure the line looks bad now, but 1) I’m sure it will go back to normal next year and 2) who gives a gently caress about lines. this is the future. I only care about things with more than one dimension. let me know when a plane or higher order tensor is bad
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Mar 23, 2024 10:23
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someone take the year over year difference of that graph and plot that and I bet it won’t look so scary.
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Mar 23, 2024 10:24
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I don't live in the ocean so it doesn't matter?? 
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Mar 23, 2024 10:47
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you don't yet?
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Mar 23, 2024 10:48
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Microplastics posted:Hahaha She was most effected by the aged care home episode I think. For me, I think the refugees who gently caress up when they go to the country house is the one that has stayed with me. Every episode has a lot worth pondering on though.
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Mar 23, 2024 11:41
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Stereotype posted:sure the line looks bad now, but 1) I’m sure it will go back to normal next year and 2) who gives a gently caress about lines. this is the future. I only care about things with more than one dimension. let me know when a plane or higher order tensor is bad the future is unknowable really, why worry about it?
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Mar 23, 2024 11:43
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Hubbert posted:ok sry I like syqs please do more
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Mar 23, 2024 13:52
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well for one there's been a ton of political progress ... https://www.scotusblog.com/2023/05/supreme-court-curtails-clean-water-act/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/06/30/1055272/supreme-court-climate-policy-epa/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/12/30/florida-insurance-citizens-slide/ https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/feb/12/litigation-terrorism-how-corporations-are-winning-billions-from-governments f/e lol quote:And so far it is mostly investors who have been the system’s beneficiaries, winning 61% of ISDS case decisions between 1987 and 2017, with an average award of $504m each. Fossil fuel magnates won 72% of their cases, shaking down governments for more than $77bn, according to the Transnational Institute.
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Mar 23, 2024 14:31
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Chard posted:a joker laugh that just keeps getting louder "you get what you fuckin deserve" energy we've tried nothing and all of our ideas are just ways to scam money
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Mar 23, 2024 14:43
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oh wait they probably meant THIS joker laugh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFR5oZQrIVc
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Mar 23, 2024 14:49
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mags posted:I like syqs please do more yeah don't listen to will stancil he's a dumbass
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Mar 23, 2024 16:04
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gonna be interesting when Mexico City and Johannesburg run out of water soon.
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Mar 23, 2024 16:08
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I haven't really seen anything on this specifically but in physics usually this kind of behavior - sudden and extreme sensitivity to drivers - indicates reaching some critical point where the system in question starts hunting for a new equilibrium. Is that kind of accepted as the case here or are these just anomalous swings for now?
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Mar 23, 2024 17:22
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Acelerion posted:Is that kind of accepted as the case here or are these just anomalous swings for now? None of this is accepted, nothing is anomalous, go back to sleep citizen
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Mar 23, 2024 17:24
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I think it is accepted that tipping points have been reached and things are accelerating to a new equilibrium. Which feedback loops etc are specifically responsible is debatable
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Mar 23, 2024 17:27
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The one cardinal rule of climate change is that things are always worse than we think and moving faster than we think, so if it's possible the point of irreversibility has been reached then it absolutely happened, a while ago
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Mar 23, 2024 19:07
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Eventually we'll settle into a new equilibrium of "no data" once nobody is around to take measurements.
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Mar 23, 2024 19:10
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Acelerion posted:I haven't really seen anything on this specifically but in physics usually this kind of behavior - sudden and extreme sensitivity to drivers - indicates reaching some critical point where the system in question starts hunting for a new equilibrium. it’s just El Niño
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Mar 23, 2024 19:16
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Had a bit of a cackle at this one (sorry bout the lovely machine translation) quote:More environmental toxins in organic eggs 
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Mar 23, 2024 19:34
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The Oldest Man posted:State farm just cancelled 72000 homeowners policies in California One weird trick to kick anyone in an even remotely marginal position right off the ladder.
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Mar 23, 2024 20:08
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fanfic insert posted:Had a bit of a cackle at this one They fixed this in Denmark in 3 months by changing the feed
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Mar 23, 2024 20:35
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Acelerion posted:I haven't really seen anything on this specifically but in physics usually this kind of behavior - sudden and extreme sensitivity to drivers - indicates reaching some critical point where the system in question starts hunting for a new equilibrium. this is not an anomaly, it's a phase change we are falling off the saddle point
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Mar 23, 2024 20:40
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Struensee posted:They fixed this in Denmark in 3 months by changing the feed i cant find anything on this, do you have a link? I'm finding a bunch of results about higher levels of pfas in eggs but nothing on it being fixed
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Mar 23, 2024 21:06
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Does anyone else sometimes ask themselves "what if we're wrong?". What if we're just conspiracy nuts with an aggravated sense of self-importance and nothing better going on in our lives? What if we're not careening off a cliff and this is indeed the best of all possible worlds? I don't think it's true, but the sheer unmovingness of it all just makes me wonder sometimes. I know things do move, but we can do so much better. Also, somewhat related, the hatred of some people against climate activists profoundly scares and saddens me.
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Mar 23, 2024 21:50
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uguu posted:Does anyone else sometimes ask themselves "what if we're wrong?". What if we're just conspiracy nuts with an aggravated sense of self-importance and nothing better going on in our lives? What "sheer unmovingness"?
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Mar 23, 2024 21:55
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uguu posted:Does anyone else sometimes ask themselves "what if we're wrong?". What if we're just conspiracy nuts with an aggravated sense of self-importance and nothing better going on in our lives? There's an old comic that asks the question regarding climate change responses, "What if we make the world a better place for no reason!?" Basically, the poo poo that needs doing in order for humanity to have a chance at survival (modern civilization is probably kaput no matter what) is largely good even if all of our climate doomerism is incorrect or if the predictions being put forth are overblown.
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Mar 23, 2024 21:55
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[Biosphere collapse]quote:there is nothing that can be done at the moment to reduce the poison levels
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Mar 23, 2024 22:03
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The only thing we could be wrong about is the speed of the destruction (and we disagree on that anyway). We're not living sustainably so total destruction is inevitable if nothing changes. I guess we could be wrong about humanity's potential to turn it all around and become sustainable (or, be subject to blowback to a degree that forces us into a sustainable relationship with the environment). But some level of destruction has already happened. So the only thing we could be wrong about is the final degree of the destruction after the dust settles.
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Mar 23, 2024 22:30
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uguu posted:Does anyone else sometimes ask themselves "what if we're wrong?". What if we're just conspiracy nuts with an aggravated sense of self-importance and nothing better going on in our lives? my reply to the normies when they downplay reality is, “I really hope you’re right.”
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Mar 23, 2024 23:03
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uguu posted:Does anyone else sometimes ask themselves "what if we're wrong?". What if we're just conspiracy nuts with an aggravated sense of self-importance and nothing better going on in our lives? I haven't actually stopped consuming treats or enjoying life with my friends as if it's business as usual, though I'm fortunate that I never wanted kids so I never had to worry too hard about the idea of how to nurture and protect a kid with a chronic respiratory illness who has to go to summer camp during a fire season, or whatever. Being wrong just means that if we enter an unprecedented time of peace and prosperity caused by Donald Trump cutting a good deal with the aliens who know cold fusion or whatever, I'll be able to appreciate and be grateful for how fortunate we are even more keenly. But also we have a bunch of different crises all coming to gently caress us up, so even if the microplastics in our brains turn out to be good actually, and plants didn't really need bees to pollinate them actually, and crops are more resilient to fungus than we thought they were, and methane in the atmosphere can be easily removed actually, and prion disease turned out to be as mild as polio, and long covid really is just mental illness from lazy people who don't want to work anymore, I dunno. Seems like something else will get us. Edit: Yeah my reply to normies who ask "but what if you're wrong" is a fairly emphatic "I sure loving hope so, I would love to be wrong". Colin Mockery has issued a correction as of 23:15 on Mar 23, 2024 |
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Mar 23, 2024 23:12
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tuyop posted:my reply to the normies when they downplay reality is, “I really hope you’re right.” 
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Mar 23, 2024 23:19
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uguu posted:Does anyone else sometimes ask themselves "what if we're wrong?". What if we're just conspiracy nuts with an aggravated sense of self-importance and nothing better going on in our lives? The current mainstream optimistic consensus would scare the poo poo out of doomer me from fifteen years ago. What you're feeling is intentional gaslighting where we just keep moving the goalposts so that anyone with a pessimistic viewpoint is and always was wrong. COVID made it really easy to see this effect in fast forward. People in the COVID thread were absolutely insane doomers for suggesting that a few hundred thousand people would die in the US, and almost everyone laughed at the idea of more than a million US deaths. Except nobody talks about that anymore and everyone acts like the doomer position was actually total collapse of the US government by 2022 or some bullshit. So I guess my answer is that I hope the pessimists are wrong, but that's a dumb thing to hope for when they're the only ones who have been right all along. "Is it gonna be bad?" is not an open question anymore. Another way to put it is that the actual crazy people keep making crazier predictions because their less crazy ones keep coming true.
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Mar 23, 2024 23:28
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It's like someone telling you they can't afford to go to McDonald's anymore and then calling you a crazy doomer because you think the economy is bad.
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Mar 23, 2024 23:29
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did i make that game unprogressable by refusing to buy a politician
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Mar 23, 2024 23:36
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Microplastics posted:The only thing we could be wrong about is the speed of the destruction (and we disagree on that anyway). We're not living sustainably so total destruction is inevitable if nothing changes. This is accurate. The person from this thread that posted in Doomsday Econ claiming the end of industrial society within 10 years. That requires the belief that earth will become incompatible with human life for any period of time at all. That's the extreme end of the degrees of 100% destruction presented almost impossibly fast. Optimists are still in the realm where large scale destruction is impossible and it's just a matter of whether we have to deal with the pain and discomfort of 15% destruction somewhere else they don't have to personally experience. Worst case would be experiencing a disaster that inconveniences them. Even if the clathrate gun is really, actually, fully, finally firing we would probably have 20-80 years before things get so bad we just can't maintain global industry anymore. Another issue is that "Collapse" is so broad of a term. One person sets it at the end of the human species and another sets it at the end of the human dollar.
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Mar 23, 2024 23:42
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Just to be clear, when I post "lol worlds done in 10 wrap it up" that's not per se literal. (I posted that and made that one guy made sorry I guess). Having said that, if you take the +40F temps we had this winter and apply them in summer everyones dead, that's it. You can't have summer be 140F for 12 hours at a time and survive. AC won't save you because the power grid is toast once we get there. So is that going to happen in the next 10 years? I don't know, and that's a big loving problem. It actually could happen, and even you can say it WILL happen, maybe its a question of what % of the earth is going to have multiple days at 140+. But we are getting some firsthand experience that +2C means for 1 day a month its +20C hotter and that's so much more serious than people realize right now.
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Mar 23, 2024 23:51
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technology will save us if things get that bad, relax
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Mar 23, 2024 23:52
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Remembering the paper about ice cores in Greenland showing double digit degree changes in under a decade.
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Mar 24, 2024 00:01
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quote:Two years after the 2021 heat dome, Washington’s deadliest weather-related disaster, researchers are still trying to pin down its full impacts and what lessons can be learned. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/environment/uw-report-offers-solutions-to-help-prevent-deaths-during-wa-heat-waves/
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Mar 24, 2024 00:04
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