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Pf. Hikikomoriarty
Feb 15, 2003

RO YNSHO


Slippery Tilde

Joementum posted:

kind of funny that the deep state embeds people in dead forum communities but somehow keeps killing all the ones they assign to SA

the very crucible of posting

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DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Danann posted:

isis is the shining path of the 21st century

Wasn't this the Algerian government's playbook as well?

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022
Probation
Can't post for 20 hours!

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

Wasn't this the Algerian government's playbook as well?

yes. anyone has any source about shining path being a false flag though?

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

This take doesn't really mesh with reality considering Russia has demonstrated that they have superior military industrial production over all of NATO combined.

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011



this is a work of art

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

tristeham posted:

yes. anyone has any source about shining path being a false flag though?

it came to me in a dream tweet embarrassingly
https://twitter.com/RodericDay/status/1768380568213880835
https://twitter.com/RodericDay/status/1768381553166410207

there's this book on prolewiki though
https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Library:The_CIA%27s_Shining_Path:_Political_Warfare

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
The Oval ISIS

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


gradenko_2000 posted:

The Oval ISIS

Organ Fiend
May 21, 2007

custom title

tristeham posted:

the US-backed militia ISIS

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008


But only if you're the right nationality. Like some kind of socialism, of a national character.

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011



this guy seems nice

Lin-Manuel Turtle
Jul 12, 2023

Soetoro Luminoso

Probably Magic
Oct 9, 2012

Looking cute, feeling cute.

tristeham posted:

the US-backed militia ISIS

Who were planning an attack the US just happened to have intel on two weeks ago.

Like, if there's tinfoil hats to put on, it's not over Putin.

Lin-Manuel Turtle
Jul 12, 2023

[BURR]
Your excellency, sir!

[WASHINGTON]
Who are you?

[BURR]
Aaron Burr, Sir?
Permission to state my case?

[WASHINGTON]
As you were

[BURR]
Sir

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer
https://x.com/stillgray/status/1771218161251283168?s=20

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

https://twitter.com/OmarBaddar/status/1771235722399285338

Alex Jones pushed AOC left

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

I still can't get over that the Dems are crowing over a funding bull that bans funding for UNWRA and also cuts funding for the UN commission on Israeli war crimes. Everyone who voted for that voted to assist a genocide.

And I'm not seeing anyone talk about it.

E: lmao AOC voted for it

E2: scratch that she voted against it. She did that at least, ineffectually

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/22/poli...lhPRTlJR05FUg..

Shageletic has issued a correction as of 13:38 on Mar 23, 2024

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



Shageletic posted:

I still can't get over that the Dems are crowing over a funding bull that bans funding for UNWRA and also cuts funding for the UN commission on Israeli war crimes. Everyone who voted for that voted to assist a genocide.

It's literally their loss, because genocidal poo poo like this is going to make the democrat party lose in November.

Scarabrae
Oct 7, 2002

still can’t nail down whether democrats are high on their own supply or want to lose on purpose

mags
May 30, 2008

I am a congenital optimist.

Scarabrae posted:

still can’t nail down whether democrats are high on their own supply or want to lose on purpose

they collude with other rich people to ensure the demands of Capital are met while pretending to be opposition to far right culture war

Gorson
Aug 29, 2014

Either way they get paid and their agenda is pushed forward, and if you lose you don't have to do any work and get to pretend to stonewall right wing policy.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018


If one side is lucky and the other side is hampered by internal limitations and hangups, then actually yes, the lucky side is much better at war than the hampered side.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

"No fair, we would have won if it weren't for your luck and vastly superior industrial capacity!"

Probably Magic
Oct 9, 2012

Looking cute, feeling cute.

Scarabrae posted:

still can’t nail down whether democrats are high on their own supply or want to lose on purpose

They're trying to lose on purpose to avoid the next economic downturn. That's why they keep crowing about how good their economy is, citations be damned.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
the main goals of the democrats is to stop any movement to the left and to provide safe sinecures for the party elite, and neither of these requires them to actually try to win elections

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
in short it's about a million times more important to keep a stranglehold on the party machinery and to destroy any alternatives on the left than it could ever be to actually beat the republicans

Horseshoe theory
Mar 7, 2005

Fister Roboto posted:

But only if you're the right nationality. Like some kind of socialism, of a national character.

:goonsay: It's actually called Strasserism!

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007

yeah i don't think they're necessarily trying to lose so much as they just don't care that much either way as long as the money keeps rolling in

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

Cerebral Bore posted:

in short it's about a million times more important to keep a stranglehold on the party machinery and to destroy any alternatives on the left than it could ever be to actually beat the republicans

Like we all keep saying in here; Why would they want to beat the republicans? They want the same things. It's the leftists and the progressives that they view as a threat for trying to derail the gravy train.

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!
May 31, 2006

Gripweed posted:

If one side is lucky and the other side is hampered by internal limitations and hangups, then actually yes, the lucky side is much better at war than the hampered side.

odd character, that one. Vaguely left wing military furry. has a jumble of incoherent beliefs you normally only see in undecided voters.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
he does not miss

https://x.com/getfiscal/status/1771254041307230677?s=46

stumblebum
May 8, 2022

no, what you want to do is get somebody mad enough to give you a red title you're proud of
while the democratic party's actual purpose is not to win elections, and any given election is entirely expendable for the sake of throwing for cash, the increasingly blatant acts of electoral self-sabotage will still produce increasingly prominent heightening of the contradictions. these contradictions are likely not going to express themselves through any kind of truly threatening mass movement in the next couplefew decades, but it can still cause serious damage to the stability of the u.s. state, which does genuinely rely on mass electoralism to function ("mass electoralism" not being equivalent to "democracy" in any meaningful way)

in particular, the contradictions will begin expressing destabilizing properties through the lowest level of party offices and apparatchiks, the ones who straddle the line between expendable chaff and well-rewarded local officiate. these members of the party stand to lose out, significantly, when the overall party decides to attack and alienate the electorate, because they actually do desire/need the petty powers and bribery that they acquire in the local-most boards and offices. and since payouts have to ultimately come from capital, and capital is currently ramping up into escalating crises, the pool of available bribery is constantly shrinking in favor of immediate economic investments. that means that every time the dnc (or gop!) sheds offices to their friends and allies for the sake of sabotaging popular participation, more and more of these petty officiates get shed without traditional payout, and replaced with cheaper ones. and since you get what you pay for, well... look at the current crop of us politicians and imagine that we're nowhere near halfway along in the deterioration of their political aptitude

but on a more material note, i would go so far as to say that the parties are literally, physically incapable of responding to genuine mass popular desire even if they really wanted to. the conditions that have allowed the u.s. domestic capitalists to exercise their ideology with non-existent ideological pushback are the result of de-industrialization. de-industrialization strips the core population of the leverage and means by which they exert pressure on the ruling capitalists. because if everyone works for unsubstantial vaporized capital then there's nothing concrete to seize in strike and sabotage. but the modes of industrial production are also the modes of industrial social perception. capital needs to see consequential balance sheets to understand where and how to direct itself towards growing profitability, labor needs to wield physical machines and production to understand its own conditions and requirements of productive work. the working classes' own subjugation comes with the blinding of the capitalist class

and, in rapidly increasing acuteness, we can see this expressed most directly in foreign/diplomatic affairs. the conditions that have made the electoral parties (temporarily) immune to the concerns of the general population within the core empire have also made the empire itself incapable of properly dominating other nations abroad. because those nations abroad are where the industrial modes were exported to over the past eighty years, those nations now have the everage of being able to physically seize the material modes of production within their own border, to which the empire can not fabricate an industrial-powered response, because they exported their industry

to go back to domestic politics, even the most lukewarm, pussy-footed pushback gets demolished by the state security apparatus. only, the state security apparatus relies on industrial productivity to equip and fund its brute squads and petty elites. and the empire's state has been and is continuing to shed the infrastructure, motivated laborers, oand technical expertise necessary to produce its own means of violent suppression. instead, it imports it from industry abroad. and the nations holding onto this industry abroad are losing incentives to align with the u.s. (in many ways the relationship between the u.s. state and its vassals qualitatively resembles the relationship between the political parties and their nominal electorate)

tl;dr the conditions that have allowed the us electoral system to marginalize and ignore its domestic population are the same as the conditions that are eroding the very base of power it relies on for foreign and domestic control, and each loss of power in one sphere directly precipitates loss in the other

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011


Next tweet: "As an analyst, I..."

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

Joe Biden is the caliph of ISIS

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

Yusuf al-Yusuf bin Biden

Harik
Sep 9, 2001

From the hard streets of Moscow
First dog to touch the stars


Plaster Town Cop

my bony fealty posted:

Joe Biden is the caliph of ISIS

there was a pretty good discussion on the iran attack that pointed out that the way it was done and how long it took them to claim it were completely out-of-line with the group's MO. and they go out of their way not to attack israel, even apologizing when they did by mistake. obvious mossad/cia front to destabilize the region/attack iran missed the call from their handler and had to scramble to take credit later.

this is, of course, a completely insane conspiracy theory right up until it's declassified in 20 years and whoops it was true all along why are you talking about stuff everybody already knew?

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Does ISIS do the Al quada thing where they just take responsibility for everything or is there reason to beleive they really had a hand it in

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

its completely free publicity to claim literally everything that's not immediately claimed by the perpetrator

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

HashtagGirlboss posted:

Does ISIS do the Al quada thing where they just take responsibility for everything or is there reason to beleive they really had a hand it in

I'm going to assume "ISIS" much like Al Qaeda (or drug cartels) isn't really a cohesive thing or single group like it's presented as

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Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
leaving all the highly sus behavior aside, the fact that isis is still around to the extent it is even though p much the entire muslim world hates their guts would point towards somebody with a lot of cash to burn and an interest in destabilizing the global south propping them up, and the list of suspects ain't too long there

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