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Shinjobi posted:Yeah, I'm not surprised but it's still a huge bummer "a huge bummer" for someone to be loving around with a novelty tool, apparently using their own artworks? (this did not deserve to be the top of a page, oh god, please let this not start a slapfight)
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Brutal Garcon posted:"a huge bummer" for someone to be loving around with a novelty tool, apparently using their own artworks? 
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Mar 26, 2024 17:53
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decided to start reading Chainsaw man again. stopped at the end of the "part 1" like chapter 100 or whatever.
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Mar 26, 2024 18:03
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Brutal Garcon posted:"a huge bummer" for someone to be loving around with a novelty tool, apparently using their own artworks? i simply would not go to bat the for Rent-a-Girlfriend mangaka in any capacity
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Mar 26, 2024 18:26
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It would be very hard to train a model on the work of a single artist, since it wouldn't give it enough data to consistently provide good results.
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Mar 26, 2024 18:34
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Brutal Garcon posted:"a huge bummer" for someone to be loving around with a novelty tool, apparently using their own artworks? and the ai he used was undoubtedly trained on other people's art, he just plugged his own images into it also.
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Mar 26, 2024 18:41
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really can't wait until this generative AI bubble fuckin pops violently
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Mar 26, 2024 18:46
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why would it pop? it's only going to improve with time.
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Mar 26, 2024 18:47
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Rinkles posted:why would it pop? it's only going to improve with time. Which is why more artists need to use those glazing tools to poison algorithms with garbage data.
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Mar 26, 2024 18:49
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None of the companies are making any money, most proposed use cases don't make any practical sense and companies are struggling to find places to use them, and everyone rational hates that poo poo It's also my belief that we're nearing the top of the S-curve on the technology, but I could be wrong
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Mar 26, 2024 18:49
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Rinkles posted:why would it pop? it's only going to improve with time. not if i have anything to say about it
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Mar 26, 2024 18:50
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Rinkles posted:why would it pop? it's only going to improve with time.
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Mar 26, 2024 18:51
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AI art is a cardinal sin sacrifice your title of artist
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Mar 26, 2024 18:54
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Arist posted:None of the companies are making any money, most proposed use cases don't make any practical sense and companies are struggling to find places to use them, and everyone rational hates that poo poo It'll be the new "real-world photo with a bad filter over the top" for the backgrounds of extremely low-budget anime.
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Mar 26, 2024 18:54
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Rinkles posted:why would it pop? it's only going to improve with time.
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Mar 26, 2024 18:55
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The core issue with the technology (outside of every ethical concern, natch) is that it is, fundamentally, incapable of understanding what it's actually doing. It will maybe get better at drawing a hand, but it will never understand what a hand actually is, and so it will continue to make mistakes no human would ever make. This is, legitimately, an unfixable problem. You would need to make an actual AI to rectify that, and that's probably impossible, while it's definitely impossible to turn what they are now into a real AI, because all they are is fancy prediction algorithms.
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Mar 26, 2024 18:55
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if he trained it himself i'd presume he's using a stable diffusion model and then adding a lora on top of it. most of the sd models i know of are made by scraping millions/billions of pictures with existing tagging, and a lora just tweaks those models by adding in a few hundred pictures with character name/art style/trait tags so the model knows if you type in "suwon rent-a-girlfriend guy" you get that girl he probably had to generate hundreds of pictures to get something that looked as good as it did and it still looks like her ear is getting ripped off and the light source is crazy. lol Arc Hammer posted:Which is why more artists need to use those glazing tools to poison algorithms with garbage data. honestly i hosed with nightshade recently and i don't think it's doing much but it absolutely makes your art look worse
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Mar 26, 2024 18:56
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Brutal Garcon posted:It'll be the new "real-world photo with a bad filter over the top" for the backgrounds of extremely low-budget anime. But why improve on perfection? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N-wKHLq-w8
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Mar 26, 2024 18:56
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Brutal Garcon posted:It'll be the new "real-world photo with a bad filter over the top" for the backgrounds of extremely low-budget anime.
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Mar 26, 2024 18:57
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Are Japanese fans of his equally pissed? I sure hope so
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Mar 26, 2024 18:58
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Meowywitch posted:Are Japanese fans of his equally pissed? I sure hope so
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Mar 26, 2024 18:58
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homeless snail posted:all these ai companies are running at massive deficets and saying they need to put nuclear reactors in their data centers to power them. you literally can't make money in ai. at least crypto and VR and metaverse poo poo there was, theortherical money to be made More broadly many of the proposed applications for AI might not be scalable, but for images once the model is done, the actual generation isn’t very expensive (unlike the research and training), no? Arist posted:The core issue with the technology (outside of every ethical concern, natch) is that it is, fundamentally, incapable of understanding what it's actually doing. It will maybe get better at drawing a hand, but it will never understand what a hand actually is, and so it will continue to make mistakes no human would ever make. This is, legitimately, an unfixable problem. You would need to make an actual AI to rectify that, and that's probably impossible, while it's definitely impossible to turn what they are now into a real AI, because all they are is fancy prediction algorithms. I’m not sure what you mean by this. The fact that it sometimes makes mistakes doesn’t seem like a big issue. You just wouldn’t use the bad outputs. Endorph posted:people keep saying this and thats not really how it works. improve at what? you can already make fairly convincing images with AI. the limitations that exist now are largely a function of what it is, not what it can do. Overall quality and making it harder to distinguish from the real thing, but also better tools for getting what you want. Like how consistency is an issue atm. You can’t really make a comic because the characters will not so subtly shift between frames because it’s making a new version each time.
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Mar 26, 2024 19:18
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If you use AI you deserve to be blown to bits by powerful ki blasts. And that's obvious.
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Mar 26, 2024 19:19
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Rinkles posted:Overall quality and making it harder to distinguish from the real thing, but also better tools for getting what you want. Like how consistency is an issue atm. You can’t really make a comic because the characters will not so subtly shift between frames because it’s making a new version each time.
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Mar 26, 2024 19:24
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Rinkles posted:I’m not sure what you mean by this. The fact that it sometimes makes mistakes doesn’t seem like a big issue. You just wouldn’t use the bad outputs. I really don't mean to be rude but that you're saying this means you clearly haven't thought about this at all or done any research. For starters, in certain non-artistic fields that this technology is desperately trying to break into, it's often unclear what a "bad output" is, and even if it is obvious, there's situations where no one can do anything about those bad outputs. People are trying to push AI to replace customer support representatives and even loving suicide hotlines. The issue of "hallucinations," of generative AI just straight-up lying, is unsolvable. The solution is not to use it.
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Mar 26, 2024 19:27
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simply dont use the bad suicide advice bing bong so simple
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Mar 26, 2024 19:29
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Endorph posted:yeah, but again, i dont see how you fit that. an ai is incapable of understanding what it produced before. any attempt at introducing that consistency will either move too much or too little. Maybe, i don’t understand the inner workings enough to say one way or the other. It just feels to me like we’re still at the infant stage of the technology. Sora was jaw dropping.
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Mar 26, 2024 19:29
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Endorph posted:simply dont use the bad suicide advice bing bong so simple When I originally saw that anecdote I saw a bunch of people posting "yeah I called this hotline and the computer told me to kill myself and I was so enraged/confused that it temporarily relieved my ideation," lol
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Mar 26, 2024 19:31
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sora is only jaw dropping if you're blind
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Mar 26, 2024 19:32
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Rinkles posted:why would it pop? it's only going to improve with time. now, the question is hopefully will they get sued into oblivion
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Mar 26, 2024 19:33
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Arist posted:I really don't mean to be rude but that you're saying this means you clearly haven't thought about this at all or done any research. For starters, in certain non-artistic fields that this technology is desperately trying to break into, it's often unclear what a "bad output" is, and even if it is obvious, there's situations where no one can do anything about those bad outputs. People are trying to push AI to replace customer support representatives and even loving suicide hotlines. Thought we were talking about image generation, but I see you didn’t actually specify that in your original post.
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Mar 26, 2024 19:34
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homeless snail posted:sora is only jaw dropping if you're blind Funny how quickly we become nonchalant about tech that was unimaginable not long go. Rinkles fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Mar 26, 2024 |
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Mar 26, 2024 19:36
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Rinkles posted:Maybe, i don’t understand the inner workings enough to say one way or the other. It just feels to me like we’re still at the infant stage of the technology. Sora was jaw dropping.
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Mar 26, 2024 19:36
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Brutal Garcon posted:"a huge bummer" for someone to be loving around with a novelty tool, apparently using their own artworks? *slaps u* Checkmate
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Mar 26, 2024 19:39
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ebay has some automatic AI description thing and I went to sell a sealed box of magic cards and clicked the AI description thing to see what it would do and it made a description very specifically saying I was selling a single magic card. like, it enunciated that part, that it was a single individual card, not a box of packs. we live in the lame future where we all want to destroy AI but not because it's trying to exterminate humanity but because it's loving up google results trying to search for an anime character that I can't remember the name of but know the hair color of
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Mar 26, 2024 19:39
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I don't really understand how you can admit "they just won't use the bad outputs" when I said the technology will never overcome its own inability to understand reality, and then still say the technology is in its infancy. Like, those kind of contradict, don't they? The former is an acceptance that on some level it's a doomed enterprise that cannot improve itself in a fairly major way. Virtually every error with AI generative art stems from that, from the computer not just not knowing what it's looking at, but not even really having eyes to see.
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Mar 26, 2024 19:42
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Rinkles posted:Funny how quickly we become nonchalant about tech that was unimaginable not long go.
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Mar 26, 2024 19:45
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Arist posted:I don't really understand how you can admit "they just won't use the bad outputs" when I said the technology will never overcome its own inability to understand reality, and then still say the technology is in its infancy. Like, those kind of contradict, don't they? The former is an acceptance that on some level it's a doomed enterprise that cannot improve itself in a fairly major way. I don't know what the actual limitations are. And the fact that it might have specific unavoidable weaknesses, doesn't mean it won't otherwise improve.
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Less about AI images and more about the general trend but job hunting sucks so much right now because of how dumb it is. I'll apply for jobs and a few hours later get an automatically generated message saying that I'm a poor fit for the job because I don't have a bachelor's degree. The thing is, I have a master's degree but the AI is such dogwater that it considers it to be a fully separate concept from a regular ol bachelor's!
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Rinkles posted:I don't know what the actual limitations are. And the fact that it might have specific unavoidable weaknesses, doesn't mean it won't otherwise improve.
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