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Habibi posted:https://twitter.com/Sheng_Peng/status/1773780767367414032 Wait, they're trying to avoid being the worst team in the cap era? News to me!
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Jamwad Hilder posted:At least the Red Wings were able to pick first overall that year! it was miserable at the time but honestly it worked out for the best. though 2nd/3rd for Stutzle is obviously the best case scenario there
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I am always surprised that while the Leafs were bad when they weren't making the playoffs, they weren't as bad as I remember. So, if I suffered through some truly terrible seasons that aren't as bad as the Sharks or Red Wings, I can't even imagine how much that would suck. Like, absolute bottom of the barrel in my memory were the 09-10 Leafs, and that is only slightly worse than the Coyotes this season.
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The 03-04 Pens were the worst iteration of the Pens that I personally watched. Iirc they had a 17 game losing streak? They were truly horrific. I remember going on a trip to New York/New Jersey and seeing them play the Devils and I wanna say they lost like 10-2 or something like that. Of course the Devils were at the height of their powers back then and the Pens....weren't. There absolutely were worse Penguins teams than that (83-84) but I wasn't born yet for that one so didn't get to enjoy the Mario tank. e: I think this was the game https://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/200403170NJD.html. I guess they only lost 6-1 but I remember it feeling worse than that. Lmao at the roster they had in that game. Ginette Reno fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Mar 30, 2024 |
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Twin Cinema posted:Like, absolute bottom of the barrel in my memory were the 09-10 Leafs, and that is only slightly worse than the Coyotes this season. Re-reading this, I should give some more context. Technically, the Leafs before getting Matthews were worse, but the 09-10 was the team that infamously traded their 1st round pick for Kessel, so there wasn't even the fun of the losing for the 1st overall. The pipeline was dog poo poo because while they had been missing the playoffs, they had been trading picks, as well as not being bad enough to draft really high. They also opened the season 3-11-5, and it was just a terrible time. At least the 14-15 Leafs were fully committed to the rebuild. Ginette Reno posted:The 03-04 Pens were the worst iteration of the Pens that I personally watched. Iirc they had a 17 game losing streak? They were truly horrific. I remember going on a trip to New York/New Jersey and seeing them play the Devils and I wanna say they lost like 10-2 or something like that. Of course the Devils were at the height of their powers back then and the Pens....weren't. I think if your team is led in points by a defenseman who finished his career with ~300 games played, it is an absolutely painful season.
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New Jersey getting absolutely crushed when they desperately needed a win to keep their playoff hopes alive? You love to see it!
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:New Jersey getting absolutely crushed when they desperately needed a win to keep their playoff hopes alive? You love to see it! 
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The Devils are a glorified ice crew.
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I have an autographed jersey with 3/4 of the worst team to ever play hockey in the cap era. Really only Dylan Larkin is worth mentioning now.
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This had me go back and look at the 19-20 Red Wings. I know +/- means nothing, but how the hell did Athanasiou get a -45 in 46 games? That's impressive. Hope you got his autograph.
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Twin Cinema posted:This had me go back and look at the 19-20 Red Wings. I know +/- means nothing, but how the hell did Athanasiou get a -45 in 46 games? That's impressive. Same way Connor Bedard is a -39 after 59 games. By not playing defense?
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https://x.com/NHLPlayerSafety/status/1773845874335969506?s=20 Seems fair. You just can't slash people from the bench
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Jhet posted:Same way Connor Bedard is a -39 after 59 games. By not playing defense? It was rhetorical, but Bedard's is still a far way aways from hitting the NPG (negative per game) mark.
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Got curious enough to look it up, Crosby as an 18 year old rookie was a +2 on an absolutely terrible Penguins team that finished one (1) point off of worst in the league. Ovechkin was +1 on the only slightly better Caps.
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Twin Cinema posted:It was rhetorical, but Bedard's is still a far way aways from hitting the NPG (negative per game) mark. Bedard is also a teenager who is far and away the most talented player on his team, and said team has poor goaltending and defense.
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McDavid was also -1 on an Oilers team that finished second last in the NHL that year.
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Are you saying +/- isn't a useful stat? That's not what Don Cherry said.
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Ovechkin is +49 for his career. He's going to end up near 0 by the time he catches Gretzky. This is of course because 38% of Ovechkin's goals have been on the power play, which is waaaaaay higher a percentage than anyone else in his galaxy. Crosby's at 29% and even that's significantly higher than most other superstars. Matthews is at 25%, McDavid is at 23%. Some of that is era effects, of course: it was a lot harder to score 5-v-5 in 2006-2015 than it has been since. Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Mar 30, 2024 |
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is there a single player who finished every season in the + e: of course, bobby orr. e: Nik Lindstrom only finished one season negative, at -2, Powershift fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Mar 30, 2024 |
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Powershift posted:is there a single player who finished every season in the +
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Powershift posted:is there a single player who finished every season in the + There’s a bunch. Larry Robinson is one. Rafalski also has no negatives, but does have a +/-0 season.
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Bobby Orr. Nicklas Lidstrom was a -2 in his age 40 season, or he'd have pulled it off in a career more than twice as long as Orr's. Only a defenseman could pull that feat off, I imagine. Forwards inevitably stop playing defense when they get old and stop being valuable 5-v-5 players. Crosby, notably, was a -1 as a rookie on the worst team in the league, and a -8 in the covid half-year at age 32, every season positive otherwise. That's about as well as a forward can do: be a great player on consistently great teams and age gracefully. He will very likely start the -15s next year. e: DAMMIT guys! Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Mar 30, 2024 |
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Brent Burns after 1,407 games is at 0 career. He's also averaging 0 over his last 5 so he might finish there. Dave Babych over 1195 games ended at -216. He had 3 positive seasons out of 19 at +2, +2, +6 Powershift fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Mar 30, 2024 |
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Forsberg would've done it if not for his 2 game comeback in 2010-11 where he finished -4.
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Jeff Schultz once had a season where his +/- was 50. He never had above +6 again after that, and was out of the league like 4 years later, he's definitely the biggest outlier for +/-
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Eric the Mauve posted:Some of that is era effects, of course: it was a lot harder to score 5-v-5 in 2006-2015 than it has been since. What changed in 2015 that balanced the game towards offense more?
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Wonderllama posted:i demand to see RAS bookshelf that led them to the trouba/rempe canonization posting energy reading is for intellectuals. you can see my VHSes and signed Soup Nazi ladle: 
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Cocaine Bear posted:More to the point, Dallas is the perfect team to bandwagon. Hard to hate unless you're like a Minnesota fan but they don't count (sorry Jhet and.. uh.. the other one). Good mix of wily old vets (who doesn't love pavelski?), exciting young stars, and they score lots of goals. Outside of maybe hakkenpaa and, if you're a Stars fan already, Suter, no notable players to hate. They aren't based in Canada and they've got the best 3rds in the league (Tron). So when your team gets to boot, come cheer with us! Dallas is super easy to hate, have you not heard of Benn?
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big mean giraffe posted:Dallas is super easy to hate, have you not heard of Benn? Jamie Benn owns
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DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:reading is for intellectuals. you can see my VHSes and signed Soup Nazi ladle: *puts BOXC’s sex tape into NYR vs NYI Hockey Fights sleeve* canneye bawrruh this?
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Uhhh, here’s a thing. https://youtu.be/VsWV3919OKw?si=gBhIEElSpKS5Pxhv 
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Shinjobi posted:Jamie Benn owns I agree. He’s an A tier rat. Love to hate him.
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He put my captain in a neck brace for two months so actually I just regular hate him
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Minnesota's out of it, it can only improve their draft position
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WHY WOULD YOU DO IT AGAIN!! I AM SO ANNOYED!!
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They need the 2 points from Vegas to have any hope of catching them in the playoff race. Makes sense, play to win.
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rex rabidorum vires posted:Pens going to go on a too little too late, late season winning streak to make the aaaahahahahahhahahahahahaahahaha god the last 2 teams are going to be embarrassing. It's Jeff Rimer retirement ceremony night in Columbus if you'd like to be generous with getting the embarrassing losses started early.
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