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Kabru is cool, he's just acting off incomplete information, I don't think he's "KiwiFarms" or whatever for that
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Shoehead posted:Woah Kabru would be a pretty cool guy if he wasn't such a hater Being a hater is what makes him a cool guy
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Arist posted:Kabru is cool, he's just acting off incomplete information, I don't think he's "KiwiFarms" or whatever for that In the darkest timeline, Kabru has helldumped Laios
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https://twitter.com/dun_meshi_anime/status/1775888553420935198 Walking Mushroom plush. 90cm!
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Oxxidation posted:kabru is a true adventurer - polite, considerate, has a plan to kill everyone he meets i never quite took him as a sniper or australian but i can get down with this reading
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Apr 5, 2024 16:47
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Kabru is cool if not a bit full of himself and his perma killing of the corpse collectors was completely justified. I mean would you spare a bunch of murderous bandits on the road you've bested? No, the sane thing would be to finish them off because turning them in is impractical and the authorities were going to end up executing them anyways.
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Lamebot posted:Kabru is cool if not a bit full of himself and his perma killing of the corpse collectors was completely justified. I mean would you spare a bunch of murderous bandits on the road you've bested? No, the sane thing would be to finish them off because turning them in is impractical and the authorities were going to end up executing them anyways. Yeah, the worst thing you can really say about that decision is that it's very coldly pragmatic. The best case scenario is the corpse retrievers get executed, the worst case is they somehow survive to continue stealing from and murdering parties.
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Apr 5, 2024 16:54
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Using two sock puppet accounts in a row to justify his galaxy-brain behavior is a very Kabru thing to do.
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Apr 5, 2024 17:13
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Given the resurrection spell affecting the dungeon it makes Kabru's perma-kill solution rather concerning. He could just as easily be the guy who enjoys killing (he's got the crazy murder eyes thing, after all) and then justifies it behind a mask of pragmatism.
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Ah! I just realized who Mickbell reminds me of. She totally looks like Little My from Moomins
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Plant MONSTER. posted:Ah! I just realized who Mickbell reminds me of. She totally looks like Little My from Moomins As shocking as this may sound, Mickbell's a guy.
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to be fair I read the whole manga and didn't realize / notice that until this ep either.
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Apr 5, 2024 17:32
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Very cool that Kabru just murdered those guys and condemned their spirits to the dungeon for eternity and his entire team was on board with it
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DamnitGannet posted:Very cool that Kabru just murdered those guys and condemned their spirits to the dungeon for eternity and his entire team was on board with it i agree!
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DamnitGannet posted:Very cool that Kabru just murdered those guys and condemned their spirits to the dungeon for eternity and his entire team was on board with it 
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Very normal player behavior.
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Sorry if you think finding out after fuckin round is unfair
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Huh. Back in antiquity, it was considered to be a basic human decency to at least throw a handful dirt on any random roadside corpse you encounter. Those who died with absolutely no burial ritual were condemned to be restless spirits. A handful of dirt and a murmured word to the god would at least get the soul on its way. Taking the time to actually bury a random corpse with dignity was some saint hood level poo poo. In the dungeon, you respect the dead by making their bodies easily find able and making sure their soul can’t move on. You disrespect the dead by burying their bodies so deep only the worms and time will find them.
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Considering that that group was responsible for extortion, theft, and assault at worst, I'd say extrajudicial murder and soul entrapment is disproportionate retribution They killed someone who surrendered and was at their mercy. That sort of thing is called a war crime
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Apr 5, 2024 17:58
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The only downside is now their ghosts could be a problem down the line for everyone.
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Who can say if murder is right or wrong? I can't, if someone murder me, I just don't know what I would do.
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Mr. Lobe posted:Considering that that group was responsible for extortion, theft, and assault at worst, I'd say extrajudicial murder and soul entrapment is disproportionate retribution Approaching this like a lawyer is dumb for many reasons, chief among them that they also tried to make Kabru's party murder each other
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Azubah posted:The only downside is now their ghosts could be a problem down the line for everyone. That would be funny if Kabru's super effective permakill just gets them killed in return by their victims Ghosts because his party sucks at fighting monsters.
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Arist posted:Approaching this like a lawyer is dumb for many reasons, chief among them that they also tried to make Kabru's party murder each other But they weren't trying to permamurder them, just resurrect and rob them
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Mr. Lobe posted:Considering that that group was responsible for extortion, theft, and assault at worst, I'd say extrajudicial murder and soul entrapment is disproportionate retribution A properly ironic punishment would be to simply disarticulate the corpses of the bandits and toss the limbs and chunks into one easily findable pile. The sheer difficultly of reassembly and amount of transubstantiation material would have a resurrection fee that would put them in debt slavery for years.
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I mean now we are circling some sort of philosophical question of like does coming back to life lessen the impact of the crime of murdering, which feels both like a yes and no to me.
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I also want to explore just how exploitative the live stock industry on the Island must be because of resurrection spell material costs. Is meat as a food item expensive because it is all being funneled into the dungeon economy, or are off-islanders bringing in livestock via boat and have they driven the price down? edit: if you think about it, the only 'ethical' way to resurrect a person who dies in the dungeon is with animal matter from the dungeon. Keep the emergently complex system closed. Marsupial Ape fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Apr 5, 2024 |
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Pretty sure your soul moves on if your corpse is destroyed. That's why there was a risk of moving Falin's skeleton. They normally don't WANT the soul to move on, so they can be resurrected. I guess there are like actual ghosts hanging about as well, but I don't think there's any implication that this is directly connected to the dungeon's resurrection-friendly soul magic. Like, ghosts are clearly implied to exist on the surface too, commonly enough for spirit mages and wandering exorcists to be a stable job, so I think that's unrelated. IE: I don't think feeding their bodies to the fishes dooms their souls forever. They just die normally. Clarste fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Apr 5, 2024 |
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Marsupial Ape posted:edit: if you think about it, the only 'ethical' way to resurrect a person who dies in the dungeon is with animal matter from the dungeon. Keep the emergently complex system closed. Falin resurrection using ethically sourced dragon meat.* *Side effects of reaurrection may include mad mage mental influence and magically induced mutations.
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Arc Hammer posted:Falin resurrection using ethically sourced dragon meat.* I said ethical, not easy. Don't eat poison mushrooms and don't use apex elemental predators to resurrect co-eds.
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the thing that gives me some pause about murdering the corpse retrievers is that yes, they essentially played the part of bandits to kabru's party there, but also they do do the job they're supposed to. and it's a very important job. kabru wouldn't be alive to kill them if they hadn't revived him after the treasure bugs thing. they extort their clientele and when someone doesn't quite die in the dungeon they give them a push to get their paycheck. these are pretty bad things and i have no tears shed for them, but it is a little different from being a murderer with the full weight that carries to us, people who live in a context where resurrection is not a real and commonplace phenomena. they're the equivalent of, idk, ambulance drivers who make you pay up front before they let you in and occasionally secretly get someone's leg broken when business is down. extrajudicial murder from the guy whose leg they just tried to break may be justified, i guess, but it's at least unsettling to watch.
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actually come to think of it, did anyone mention anything about their "finder's fee" being disproportionately large? they may have just been kinda pushy and a little rude about getting paid quickly after doing their job.
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Kabru is also playing a logic game to make himself out as morally superior. Only take their food because stealing everything makes them no better than the thieves. Ignoring of course how pissed off his party is that their food was stolen. And how quickly Kabru tossed aside the honor among adventurers code he quoted earlier when he agreed to a deal with the thieves and then killed them all.
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They do have "extortionist firefighter gangs of Rome" vibes.
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eh, i'm not going to entirely fault him for not taking their valuables as "proof" that his extrajudicial murder was not motivated by personal greed. he certainly is playing some mental gymnastics with himself but "putting his money where his mouth is" isn't a bad thing exactly
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Look, if those corpse retriever guys didn't wanna get got, they shouldn't have started a bunch of poo poo they weren't prepared to finish with a bunch of professional armed weirdos Down in the Dungeon, Man's law is entirely subservient to Nature's law
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Point is Kabru wants to paint himself as the rightful conquerer of the dungeon while downplaying or justifying his rather questionable actions and skill level. He also just seems to assume the worst in everyone not part of his party? For a guy so focused on the dynamics of the various island inhabitants that's a really narrowminded view. Like he gets how the interactions work but knows little about intent. Otherwise he wouldn't assume that the Toudens are scumbags. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Apr 5, 2024 |
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ninjewtsu posted:eh, i'm not going to entirely fault him for not taking their valuables as "proof" that his extrajudicial murder was not motivated by personal greed. he certainly is playing some mental gymnastics with himself but "putting his money where his mouth is" isn't a bad thing exactly If I had to head-canon it, I'd say that there is obviously some sort of code of xenia amongst adventurers within the dungeon. It is an inherently lawless frontier, not just in the lack of centralized authority but also concerning the laws of normal reality. You absolutely have to rely on the kindness of strangers in case of catastrophe, so it is expected to be proactively altruistic towards strangers, especially those in need. Interlopers who violate this social convention have to be dealt with harshly, otherwise the dungeon becomes a Dark Forest scenario where adventuring parties always shoot first and ask questions later. Marsupial Ape fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Apr 5, 2024 |
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Kabru is bad because he is mean to my boy Laios
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