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CharlestheHammer posted:Keep technology level the same? Does he think we are gonna lose it. It's another glimpse behind the mask, he thinks that nonwhites are a ravenous horde akin to a zombie movie that will literally tear down society. That's the only mindset that lines up with this post and all the vile vile stuff he's always spouting that i won't even bother citing here
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FurtherReading posted:I think he's leaning back into his AI scaremongering and wants to slow down AGIs until there's a permanent, self sufficient civilisation on Mars. No one knows. Mars has about 33% of Earth gravity. Maybe that's enough to prevent the worst effects, maybe not. We can't know until we spend decades in those conditions.
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Sentient Data posted:It's another glimpse behind the mask, he thinks that nonwhites are a ravenous horde akin to a zombie movie that will literally tear down society. That's the only mindset that lines up with this post and all the vile vile stuff he's always spouting that i won't even bother citing here Yes, he posts a lot of openly racist poo poo that's not worth reposting here
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Apr 6, 2024 15:02
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FurtherReading posted:I think he's leaning back into his AI scaremongering and wants to slow down AGIs until there's a permanent, self sufficient civilisation on Mars. A good example is the ISS. It's gravity is roughly 10% less than Earths. 6 months up there and you are going into rehab because you muscles are hosed. Mars is 30% of Earths. No one even knows if you can live with that. Also, how will you deal with zero gravity on route to Mars for 8 months? It's just a grifting narcissist living out some mental disorder to his adouring fans. It's like a Star Trek Trump.
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Apr 6, 2024 15:06
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Pro: Musk's bodytype will look normal on Mars  Con: If Musk looks like a Martian now, imagine what he's gonna look like by then 
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Apr 6, 2024 15:10
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Tai posted:A good example is the ISS. It's gravity is roughly 10% less than Earths. 6 months up there and you are going into rehab because you muscles are hosed. Mars is 30% of Earths. No one even knows if you can live with that. Also, how will you deal with zero gravity on route to Mars for 8 months? It's just a grifting narcissist living out some mental disorder to his adouring fans. It's like a Star Trek Trump. I would imagine the muscle atrophy on the ISS would be due to the "zero-g" of constant freefall and not having to support body weight though
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Apr 6, 2024 15:13
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CharlestheHammer posted:Keep technology level the same? Does he think we are gonna lose it.
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Apr 6, 2024 15:15
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Avirosb posted:Does Elon think humans aren't going to start warring against each other the moment they start settling space tribes? Nope, just going to be a few CEOs and other intelligent leaders/money people, lording over a bunch of indentured workers. This is an ideal future society obviously and will make humanity great again.
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Apr 6, 2024 15:17
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dr_rat posted:Nope, just going to be a few CEOs and other intelligent leaders/money people, lording over a bunch of indentured workers. As long as they gently caress off already.
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Apr 6, 2024 15:22
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kazil posted:I would imagine the muscle atrophy on the ISS would be due to the "zero-g" of constant freefall and not having to support body weight though Yeah I assumed the ISS was effectively zero gravity. That being said the mammal pregnancy study was done on the ISS so I'm not sure if that is zero gravity or 90% gravity
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Apr 6, 2024 15:23
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FurtherReading posted:Yeah I assumed the ISS was effectively zero gravity. That being said the mammal pregnancy study was done on the ISS so I'm not sure if that is zero gravity or 90% gravity There's effectively zero gravity on the ISS because it's in orbit, and "free falling".
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Apr 6, 2024 15:25
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FurtherReading posted:Yeah I assumed the ISS was effectively zero gravity. That being said the mammal pregnancy study was done on the ISS so I'm not sure if that is zero gravity or 90% gravity The ISS is still affected by gravity. It's why it's in orbit. The Earth is pulling it still. The "weightlessness" is due to the constant freefall
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Apr 6, 2024 15:27
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kazil posted:I would imagine the muscle atrophy on the ISS would be due to the "zero-g" of constant freefall and not having to support body weight though Lol you have to ruin a dunk on musk by over explaining but yeah free fall thing of being in orbit adds to it too
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Apr 6, 2024 15:30
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kazil posted:The ISS is still affected by gravity. It's why it's in orbit. The Earth is pulling it still. Yeah I know that, but earlier someone said that it's at 90% gravity so I'm trying to figure out what they mean. I was under the impression that ISS experienced an identical frame as one with 0 gravity.
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Apr 6, 2024 15:35
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FurtherReading posted:Yeah I know that, but earlier someone said that it's at 90% gravity so I'm trying to figure out what they mean. I was under the impression that ISS experienced an identical frame as one with 0 gravity. Well it's quite close to Earth, and if not actively moving, it would sink right back to the surface very quickly. Earth's gravity extends well beyond the surface.
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Apr 6, 2024 15:36
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FurtherReading posted:Yeah I know that, but earlier someone said that it's at 90% gravity so I'm trying to figure out what they mean. I was under the impression that ISS experienced an identical frame as one with 0 gravity. The strength of Earth's gravitational field on the ISS is 90% of that on the surface
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Apr 6, 2024 15:38
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The weightless effect is just in terms of being inside the ISS which is in freefall at the same speed they are. Same as when you're on the vomit comit. You seem to be weightless in the plane but you're both just heading towards the ground at the same speed and earths gravity is still acting the same on you both.
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Apr 6, 2024 15:44
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redshirt posted:Well it's quite close to Earth, and if not actively moving, it would sink right back to the surface very quickly. Earth's gravity extends well beyond the surface. Again I know that. What I'm asking is for the guy who said its demonstrative of how 90% gravity impacts biological processes to explain what he means, especially when someone else said that muscle atrophy was specifically due to not using muscles to move body weight due to freefall rather than a lower persistent gravitational force. It's been 20 years since I studied physics but what they're saying doesn't jive with what I was thought getting that degree. What I was thought is that from the frame of an object travelling on the ISS it's identical to if the object was experiencing zero gravity, but that object was a uniform perfect sphere and not a womb so I'm open to the idea that they have more knowledge than me.
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Apr 6, 2024 15:46
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You could just put a neuralink in your head to make you believe you live on Mars, you guys are overthinking this
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Apr 6, 2024 15:49
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No, living on Mars will be real. I totally recall being there
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Apr 6, 2024 15:51
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FurtherReading posted:Again I know that. Free fall doesn't mean gravity is zero. It is till loving around and ''pulling'' on your organs, fluids etc. Kazil is right about the weightless/muscle stuff for being on ISS. I just ignored that to poo poo on musk.
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Apr 6, 2024 15:54
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FurtherReading posted:Again I know that. So not sure about how it would affect liquids in a body but for muscle atrophy it's not gravity directly that causes us to use our muscles, it's gravity pushing us against objects in different ways, and us pushing off against objects against gravity. For saggy bits, they sag because say your standing up your skeleton is pressing against the object but saggy extremities are not directly pressing against the object so will sag down until stopped by however much the skin will let them. You feel gravities pressure when you lie down as you're getting pulled by gravity aginst what ever your laying. When your falling you're not getting pushed aginst something so shouldn't feel gravity. Sorta like how you don't feel the speed you're going you feel acceleration and deceleration, or air resitance if there's air. dr_rat fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Apr 6, 2024 |
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kazil posted:No, living on Mars will be real. I totally recall being there just wanna chip in and thank you for dutifully posting all this hot flaming garbage for us to lol at every day o7
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Apr 6, 2024 16:02
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Tai posted:Free fall doesn't mean gravity is zero. It is till loving around and ''pulling'' on your organs, fluids etc. Kazil is right about the weightless/muscle stuff for being on ISS. I just ignored that to poo poo on musk. Ah that makes a lot of sense, thanks for clarifying.
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dr_rat posted:So not sure about how it would affect liquids in a body but for muscle atrophy it's not gravity directly that causes us to use our muscles, it's gravity pushing us against objects in different ways, and us pushing off against objects against gravity. For saggy bits, they sag because say your standing up your skeleton is pressing against the object but saggy extremities are not directly pressing against the object so will sag down until stopped by however much the skin will let them. Yeah that all jives with what I was thought. The specific idea I'm referring to is that if I'm floating on the ISS in orbit and I bonk a sphere on the left side it'll move to the right in a straight line from my point of view. If the ISS is in the middle of space rather than in orbit and I do the same thing it moves the same way. In the first case it's moving in an arc from the frame of reference of the earth, but since my frame is also moving in an arc it looks like a straight line. The downward acceleration causing the arc in the Earth's frame is not observed in my frame. Similarly, if I wanna move my body to another module I expend the same, lower force with my muscles in both frames. What Tai is explaining sounds like the 90% gravity is noticeable between the various fluids and materials that make up the human body, causing them to move differently in both frames. The main takeaway is what this says about how biological phenomenon on the ISS relates to Mars' 33% gravity. The question is will the effects on Mars be exaggerated compared to the ISS because the abstraction of relative frames doesn't fully reflect the impact of gravity on biological processes during freefall? Edit: I actually found my notes and checked, turns out I was right the first time. Matter on the ISS behaves just like matter that isn't experiencing any gravitational field. If the ISS was not in orbit everything would behave as though it is 10% lighter, but the orbit means mathematically things behave as though there is no earth gravity component at all. So the ISS experiments show what happens at zero gravity and not partial gravity. FurtherReading fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Apr 6, 2024 |
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FurtherReading posted:The main takeaway is what this says about how biological phenomenon on the ISS relates to Mars' 33% gravity. The question is will the effects on Mars be exaggerated compared to the ISS because the abstraction of relative frames doesn't fully reflect the impact of gravity on biological processes during freefall? This is my main gripe with musk when he starts talking about Mars. There is a lot of untested stuff or flat out unknowns at this point in terms of getting to and living on Mars. Propulsion to Mars is the easy part. NASA did 90% of the work for him.
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Tai posted:This is my main gripe with musk when he starts talking about Mars. There is a lot of untested stuff or flat out unknowns at this point in terms of getting to and living on Mars. Propulsion to Mars is the easy part. NASA did 90% of the work for him. Yeah all those details he knows nothing about his idoit workers will figure out. He's a genius man big idea thinker, so he just has to have the idea that going to mars sounds really cool and his genius jobs done and go back to his K. Fortunatly he's really good a loving up any company he runs, so the details won't actually matter as he's not going to be involved in any mars colony thing.
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Apr 6, 2024 16:47
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Lmao that Musk does not learn and is still spouting absolute bullshit dates for stuff. Hell I would be surprised if there is even a manned mission to mars within 20 years let alone colony self sufficiency. Of course the bazingas all lap it up.
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“Retaining our current technology level” doesn’t even make sense because I’m pretty sure humans are gonna need to invent a few more things to make mars “self-sufficient”. His mars poo poo is stupider than any of his other technobabble and I really don’t understand how people buy it. JUST FIX EARTH IF ITS SO EASY
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Apr 6, 2024 16:54
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Tai posted:This is my main gripe with musk when he starts talking about Mars. There is a lot of untested stuff or flat out unknowns at this point in terms of getting to and living on Mars. Propulsion to Mars is the easy part. NASA did 90% of the work for him. Yeah, like one thing he's genuinely obsessed with is breeding and fertility, so if based on ISS experiments and how freefall impacts it, we can conclude that humans probably need more than 90% gravity to breed it's one of thing that potentially puts a stop on his obsession with Mars colonisation. Assuming he's isn't so far gone to exclaim it woke science and ignore it of course. (he probably will do this if it's ever brought up to him) poo poo like O'Neil cylinders or whatever creating centrifugal forces to mimic gravity means that problem can be solved this for space based habitats though.
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priznat posted:Lmao that Musk does not learn and is still spouting absolute bullshit dates for stuff. Hell I would be surprised if there is even a manned mission to mars within 20 years let alone colony self sufficiency. Of course the bazingas all lap it up. China is "planning" one for 2033. Pretty sceptical of plans ten years out, but China and India do seem to be in a bit of a space race going on, so I can actually see them putting in resouces for it. Maybe not by 2033 but possibly within 20 years. National pride has historical been a pretty good motivator for this sort of thing.
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FurtherReading posted:poo poo like O'Neil cylinders or whatever creating centrifugal forces to mimic gravity means that problem can be solved this for space based habitats though. Ya this is the best way atm we know how to mimic gravity. Going to Mars currently is a 15m by 8m box on Starship. No you can't ask questions about storage for food and equipment needed for an 8 month flight. What radiation doing
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dr_rat posted:China is "planning" one for 2033. Pretty sceptical of plans ten years out, but China and India do seem to be in a bit of a space race going on, so I can actually see them putting in resouces for it. Maybe not by 2033 but possibly within 20 years. A lot that can happen in the next while in that area of the world.. If they do send a mission it actually would probably mean the bad poo poo didn’t happen (invasion of Taiwan, China economic collapse) so I will hope they actually get a good shot at that. Skeptical though.
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priznat posted:A lot that can happen in the next while in that area of the world.. If they do send a mission it actually would probably mean the bad poo poo didn’t happen (invasion of Taiwan, China economic collapse) so I will hope they actually get a good shot at that. Skeptical though. Even just something like if economy goes to crap, space missions would likely to be the first thing to go. Hopfully thought the next ten fiffteen years are peaceful and properous!!! But same, it would be great if it happens but not exactly holding my breath.
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https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/5/24122064/tesla-cancel-affordable-electric-vehicle-model-2-china Tesla has cancelled the low-cost car, will pivot to being their own customer.
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Musk is on twitter calling this fake news by Reuters despite having an all-hands meeting telling people the project has been cancelled lol.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Keep technology level the same? Does he think we are gonna lose it. He thinks we'll run out of the right people because he watched the documentary idiocracy and listens to noted philosopher Ian miles cheong
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Less Fat Luke posted:Musk is on twitter calling this fake news by Reuters despite having an all-hands meeting telling people the project has been cancelled lol. Are you saying we should not listen to the guy that lies about everything?
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