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Scud Hansen posted:i don't know if its a RHEL only thing but every time i ask dnf to do anything it takes 60 seconds to tell me A) I can't find that B) if i can i can't resolve its dependencies RHEL does take it longer than the equivalent alma or rocky because it needs to check you have a subscription. dnf/yum/rpm have always been trash in the face of apt-get/apt/dpkg though
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i also have strong opinions about dnf/yum/rpm vs apt-get/apt/dpkg NOT!
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not everyone gets to focus on making trash speakers for rubes fart. some of us have to make trash software/solutions for rubes
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i dont recognize that as a valid occupation
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Jonny 290 posted:which one is that lol instead of running did-you-mean it runs rm -rf /
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Scud Hansen posted:i don't know if its a RHEL only thing but every time i ask dnf to do anything it takes 60 seconds to tell me A) I can't find that B) if i can i can't resolve its dependencies might be, dnf works ok on clear but the repo is probably much smaller than rhel's, if that matters. you're really supposed to use swupd
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pacman is the only good package manager. not imo because it's fact. i have one rhel server at work i sometimes do a dnf on and it takes a while. i don't understand why but it spits out a lot of messages about checking subscription and all kinds of nonsense
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admittedly if you told me 10 years ago that there's an awesome handheld gaming PC that ran Linux and actually supported things like HDR, wifi, power management and had a better touch UI than Windows devices in the same area I would have laughed in your face
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WilWheaton posted:admittedly if you told me 10 years ago that there's an awesome handheld gaming PC that ran Linux and actually supported things like HDR, wifi, power management and had a better touch UI than Windows devices in the same area I would have laughed in your face why? ps4 (released 2013) and ps5 are bsd e: vita (2011) too, apparently Beeftweeter fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Apr 7, 2024 |
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Apr 7, 2024 19:29
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Beeftweeter posted:why? ps4 (released 2013) and ps5 are bsd fair point
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Apr 7, 2024 20:48
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Would games run better on Steam Deck if SteamOS was based on Clear Linux? I know it uses AMD but it still benefits from the optimisations. Probably not since most games aren't CPU-limited. There's a few Clear Linux benchmarks on Phoronix but I don't think any of them use games.
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i can say from first-hand experience that crappy intel mobile hardware is much much faster under clear, but it really doesn't play well with AMD platforms, unfortunately i mean, i know people can and do get it to boot (that benchmarks exist at all is proof), but it doesn't even get to a login screen on my only amd laptop. they'd probably need to do a lot of work
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Apr 7, 2024 21:18
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Beeftweeter posted:why? ps4 (released 2013) and ps5 are bsd and the switch
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Beeftweeter posted:i can say from first-hand experience that crappy intel mobile hardware is much much faster under clear, but it really doesn't play well with AMD platforms, unfortunately Doesn't Intel have a history of actively sabotaging AMD performance, including tweaks in their compiler? Not running great on AMD is probably baked in very deep.
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if you want clear linux performance on amd i guess you should run gentoo, -march=native and all
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i don't think it matters more than just do a clean over which services you let run all the time
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Beeftweeter posted:why? ps4 (released 2013) and ps5 are bsd I think the PS3 used parts of FreeBSD too. That would explain why it has the option to connect to a printer to print out your GT photographs. If the drivers are already there, why take them out? I wonder if the PSP did as well, but since it had a homebrew community from day one it would probably be well known if it did
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That loving Sned posted:I think the PS3 used parts of FreeBSD too. That would explain why it has the option to connect to a printer to print out your GT photographs. If the drivers are already there, why take them out? i never had a ps3 so i couldn't tell you, but i can say for sure the psp didn't how did the ps3 connect to the printer? i think some bluetooth-capable printers don't require drivers somehow
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Sony even shipped some PS3s with a linux desktop / dev environment for programming its weirdo CPU.
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cell architecture was pretty hyped in the mid 2000s. everything was going to bow down to it!
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i meant to reply to this earlier,ryanrs posted:Doesn't Intel have a history of actively sabotaging AMD performance, including tweaks in their compiler? Not running great on AMD is probably baked in very deep. they have done some poo poo in the past, yeah. but here i'm not sure it's really all that sinister, they're pretty explicit about their optimizations being for their implementation of the architecture, including UEFI (it uses its own, extremely minimal bootloader), and yeah, their compiler usually results in stuff that runs like poo poo on amd. but they recently retired icc with a replacement that is based in clang and has a LLVM backend, so there's really no reason for them to do that anymore (they can just keep clang's code path for amd as is, i guess; it's open anyway, so if they do gently caress with amd, people will know). i think it's just that intel's cpus work differently from amd's but either way, benchmarks show a definite improvement in performance even on amd. i don't think that would be possible if they were intentionally sabotaging amd cpus running it
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ryanrs posted:Sony even shipped some PS3s with a linux desktop / dev environment for programming its weirdo CPU. My earliest memory of using Linux was installing Yellow Dog Linux on the PS3 just because they let you. I wonder what people really used it for, since the PS3 had pretty good media support by default. I remember using it with a Plex server before HTPCs were cheap or streaming boxes existed, and you could even rip CDs on it. I think the GPU was restricted in OtherOS to make it less useful for running games, and I doubt you could find much software using the Cell's SPUs so you're stuck with a single core PowerPC CPU with 256MB of RAM and VRAM. Beeftweeter posted:i never had a ps3 so i couldn't tell you, but i can say for sure the psp didn't USB and network, although no mention of bluetooth: https://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/printersettings.html Beeftweeter posted:but either way, benchmarks show a definite improvement in performance even on amd. i don't think that would be possible if they were intentionally sabotaging amd cpus running it Probably goes without saying, but is AMD the reason Intel has been trying to ditch x86 for so long? They tried to make a completely new architecture for 64-bit with Itanium and eventually had to adopt amd64 since everyone preferred the one that was familiar and backwards compatible.
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Wow, I am really hating some of the compiler options I see flying by during this build. Make up your drat mind. /home/ryan/openwrt/staging_dir/toolchain-mips_24kc_gcc-12.3.0_musl/libexec/gcc/mips-openwrt-linux-musl/12.3.0/cc1 -quiet -I . -I . -I ../../host-mips-openwrt-linux-musl/gcc -I ../.././libgcc -I ../.././libgcc/. -I ../.././libgcc/../gcc -I ../.././libgcc/../include -MD _divhelperDA_s.d -MF _divhelperDA_s.dep -MP -MT _divhelperDA_s.o -idirafter /home/ryan/openwrt/staging_dir/target-mips_24kc_musl/usr/include -D IN_GCC -D GTHREAD_USE_WEAK=0 -D IN_LIBGCC2 -D GTHREAD_USE_WEAK=0 -D HAVE_CC_TLS -D SHARED -D L_divhelper -D DA_MODE -isystem ./include ../.././libgcc/fixed-bit.c -meb -quiet -dumpbase _divhelperDA_s.c -dumpbase-ext .c -minterlink-mips16 -msoft-float -mllsc -mabi=32 -g -g -g -g -g -O2 -Os -O2 -O2 -Os -Wextra -Wall -Wno-narrowing -Wwrite-strings -Wcast-qual -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wold-style-definition -fbuilding-libgcc -fno-stack-protector -fPIC
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i mentioned some pages back how i find linux very boring, and here we are with two linux threads, one with page after page of tech support for a myriad little issues hbag is having, and one where people are reviewing each others cflags.
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That loving Sned posted:I wonder what people really used it for, since the PS3 had pretty good media support by default. There were people who were weird enough to use it as a desktop (even for the PS2!) but the Other OS thing was only ever in the PS3 for tax reasons. Something about if they sold it as a "computer" instead of a "games console" they would be able to afford three yachts instead of just two. Including the ability to install another OS on it made it count as a "computer" for these purposes. It got used mostly for datacentre and research use, because you could create relatively inexpensive compute clusters with what was really quite a good CPU for compute. I figure if bitcoin happened a little earlier we'd have seen people use PS3 clusters for mining. Wikipedia tells it better than I could: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_cluster. Also you're owed like $11 or something if you can prove you bought a PS3 before Other OS was removed and say "yeah I totally bought the PS3 to install Linux on" because of a class action lawsuit a few years ago.
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That loving Sned posted:USB and network, although no mention of bluetooth: https://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/printersettings.html huh, yeah it probably used CUPS then
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goblin week posted:bah! hbag it is getting pretty annoying that they're doing the hbag thing but i already yelled at them before i read here that people are also getting annoyed lol
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someone was talking about kde so I swapped my lubuntu install to kubuntu and it’s okay i guess
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its good, lxde isn't developed anymore (p sure it's been replaced by lxqt) and plasma uses qt anyway, so you should be able to use your themes if not (idk if they're immediately available/compatible), maybe try installing kvantum. i know i saw lxqt themes in there
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Beeftweeter posted:its good, lxde isn't developed anymore (p sure it's been replaced by lxqt) and plasma uses qt anyway, so you should be able to use your themes i pressed the dark mode theme and that seems fine
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Captain Foo posted:i pressed the dark mode theme and that seems fine breeze dark is really pretty nice yeah
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Nobody Interesting posted:There were people who were weird enough to use it as a desktop (even for the PS2!) but the Other OS thing was only ever in the PS3 for tax reasons. Something about if they sold it as a "computer" instead of a "games console" they would be able to afford three yachts instead of just two. Including the ability to install another OS on it made it count as a "computer" for these purposes. the cell was interesting for a year or two for really early compute stuff, but then nvidia released cuda and that was that. by 2008 or so the consensus was "the cell is an architectural dead-end" linux on the ps3 was otherwise useless, as it was really slow, starved for memory, and rendered everything in software. unless you wanted to do compute stuff on the cell, there was no point. someone did figure out how to get to the gpu under linux at some point, but sony promptly disabled that in the next update. there were efforts to create a mesa driver that use the spus for rasterization, but that didn't really see any use either i think i got something like $17 total from the ps3 linux settlement
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