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His Divine Shadow posted:Reading the twice dead king since I heard good things about it and I find it fascinating. Particularly the times when the books mention things in passing like how they don't focus too much on how they don't breathe anymore, or they can go into panic. It's just very interesting to see how old biological imperatives still linger and how it affects them still. It (and many other things) also indicates to me that the Necrons don't know their own uploaded minds work, nor how biotransference worked. Oltyx repeatedly gets visions of a one eyed being on a golden throne, this turns out to be himself as he loses the eye before reaching the planet with his new people. Necrons do know how to predict the future so it's not too weird, but there's also repeated references to how the Necrons hate warp sorcery and his prophetic visions seem more... Natural? With the End and the Death being done there's also a lot of similarities in how the Emperor is presented and Oltyx. Humanity and the Emperor are one and the same, neither can exist without the other as their fates are now twinned for better or worse. The Necrons mention a rulers Heka, or willpower, as being an extension of his subjects and again both are one and the same. When Oltyx completes his transformation into the Flayer Messiah at the end of the second book, he effectively represents and embodies this offshoot of the Necrontyr and has become something new and changed. I think there's some very good themes at play and I think Oltyx is going to have important interactions with the Imperium in the future.
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Just finished reading the somewhat recent Cypher book and had a question: There's a scene where a Custodian uses what seems to be a Trazyn-esque tessaract labryinth cube to capture some escaped nastiness from the Grimdark Cells: Grimdarker Edition. I know Trazyn has helped out the imperium at various times like at Cadia, but just was curious if there was anything written about Trazyn intentionally providing those things to others, or somewhat tangentially, any Trazyn interaction with the Custodes? Edit: Unrelated but, is it just me or has the black library publishing schedule really slowed down? Kinda wild they released a whole new faction with the Votann and there hasn't been at least some kind of Votann book out. orphean fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Apr 11, 2024 |
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Apr 11, 2024 22:03
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orphean posted:Just finished reading the somewhat recent Cypher book and had a question: The Imperium uses necron tech on occasion, the Callidus Assassins signature weapon is necron tech. My guess is that they just found it/have a stock pile of things like it they whip out when needed.
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Telsa Cola posted:The Imperium uses necron tech on occasion, the Callidus Assassins signature weapon is necron tech. My guess is that they just found it/have a stock pile of things like it they whip out when needed. It makes sense that they would have less issues using it since objections would be predominantly doctrinal from the mechanicus rather than the issue with warp tech which is "will try to eat your soul".
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"Necron" technology? Perish the very idea, these phase blades are blessed archaeotech recovered from Dark Age of Technology ruins. No, you can't have the coordinates of the ruins, they're sacred.
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Apr 12, 2024 14:34
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They are technology... and they seem to have come from a ruin from a dark age! It checks out, Maximus!
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The Grey Knights also canonically use Tesseract Labyrinths since their original purpose is to trap energy beings and they work just as well on Daemons as they do C'tan shards.
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Yeah, Necron tech is one of the few types of tech that you don't have to worry about a daemon infesting (probably). If the Imperium were less awful/fascist/supremacist/dumb they'd be trying to find as much of that stuff as they could and figure it out. Instead, they decided to repurpose the Blackstone Fortresses, which are warp tech.
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I'm pretty sure there's a whole bunch of tech priests who eagerly delve into every piece of Necron tech they can get their mechadendrites on. There's a taboo on messing with xeno tech of course but this particular thing is okay because it's so cool 
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Kylaer posted:I'm pretty sure there's a whole bunch of tech priests who eagerly delve into every piece of Necron tech they can get their mechadendrites on. There's a taboo on messing with xeno tech of course but this particular thing is okay because it's so cool
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Kylaer posted:I'm pretty sure there's a whole bunch of tech priests who eagerly delve into every piece of Necron tech they can get their mechadendrites on. There's a taboo on messing with xeno tech of course but this particular thing is okay because it's so cool There's a whole (really good) game based on this! Also had a great soundtrack and sound design
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Nessus posted:I am confident that 100% of AdMech priests have committed tech heresy and would do it with xenos gear if they could only get hold of it. 0% of the Mechanicus have committed any objectionable actions. They all know exactly where the line that must never be crossed is. Conveniently, that line is always just infinitesimally further away than the Really Cool piece of xeno tech, warp-touch tech, or forbidden archaeotech that they're interested in meddling with 
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Kylaer posted:0% of the Mechanicus have committed any objectionable actions. They all know exactly where the line that must never be crossed is. Conveniently, that line is always just infinitesimally further away than the Really Cool piece of xeno tech, warp-touch tech, or forbidden archaeotech that they're interested in meddling with Side note, I liked the civilian-esque Mechanicus priest in the first Armageddon novel quite a bit.
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habeasdorkus posted:Yeah, Necron tech is one of the few types of tech that you don't have to worry about a daemon infesting (probably). If the Imperium were less awful/fascist/supremacist/dumb they'd be trying to find as much of that stuff as they could and figure it out. Instead, they decided to repurpose the Blackstone Fortresses, which are warp tech. I thought the Blackstones were made of blackstone and thus are nercon tech?
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Kylaer posted:"Necron" technology? Perish the very idea, these phase blades are blessed archaeotech recovered from Dark Age of Technology ruins. And you call them "phase blades" despite the fact that they are obviously fractal edges - ah, it's an Americo-Atlantean expression? Well, I'm from the Manhattos region of Terra and I've never heard of it.
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notaspy posted:I thought the Blackstones were made of blackstone and thus are nercon tech? Blackstone fortresses are the Talismans of Vaul, created by the Eldar during the War in Heaven, iirc. The cadian pylons and other such pylons were made by the necrons, out of a stone that is also black.
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Preechr posted:Blackstone fortresses are the Talismans of Vaul, created by the Eldar during the War in Heaven, iirc. The cadian pylons and other such pylons were made by the necrons, out of a stone that is also black. They're both made of the same psychoactive substance that can amplify or suppress the Warp depending on how you diddle it.
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lines posted:And you call them "phase blades" despite the fact that they are obviously fractal edges - ah, it's an Americo-Atlantean expression? Well, I'm from the Manhattos region of Terra and I've never heard of it. The Cicatrix Maledictum? In this sector of space, circa M41, localised entirely within your corpse-starch processing facility?
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notaspy posted:I thought the Blackstones were made of blackstone and thus are nercon tech? Strongly implied to be Old One tech instead, Necron Blackstone is always used to repel the warp but the Blackstone fortresses instead use said Blackstone to channel and project warp energy. Unfortunately for everyone the Black Legion is starting to discover how this works and are deploying their Noctalith Crowns to weaken the barriers of reality.
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It'd be funny if this stage of the Long war was basically a race to see who builds more pylons.
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I'm curious if there's going to be any exploration of tyranids versus Chaos upcoming. It was described in Devastation of Baal that the opening of the Cicatrix hurt the hive mind in a way that nothing else ever had, so I'd love to see a plot development where the hive mind decides that this galaxy doesn't just contain food and genetic resources, it also contains an existential threat, namely Chaos.
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Kylaer posted:I'm curious if there's going to be any exploration of tyranids versus Chaos upcoming. It was described in Devastation of Baal that the opening of the Cicatrix hurt the hive mind in a way that nothing else ever had, so I'd love to see a plot development where the hive mind decides that this galaxy doesn't just contain food and genetic resources, it also contains an existential threat, namely Chaos. Maybe, but do you know what would quiet the warp right down? Eating every other living thing in the galaxy.
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One stray thought I had is that I'd love to see how an extended evolutionary misfire based on the incompatibility of chaos and nids would play out. Something that very specifically is not "chaos tyranids", but a cascade failure of a very sophisticated system, with horrific results. The easy answer is tyranids with extra bumps and bobbits, the more interesting answer is the mind making more and more incomprehensible decisions that are catastrophic to the tyranids, but even more catastrophic to the planets they gently caress up on.
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Black Griffon posted:One stray thought I had is that I'd love to see how an extended evolutionary misfire based on the incompatibility of chaos and nids would play out. Something that very specifically is not "chaos tyranids", but a cascade failure of a very sophisticated system, with horrific results. The easy answer is tyranids with extra bumps and bobbits, the more interesting answer is the mind making more and more incomprehensible decisions that are catastrophic to the tyranids, but even more catastrophic to the planets they gently caress up on. What happened post cicatrix is the hivemind started diversifying hivefleets with specific goals in mind, and one of them is a hivefleet that is built and only acts towards annihilating rhe forces of chaos. The hivemind will have tender splinters follow it that will attack and leave nearby planets only half digested, because this daemon hunter fleet isn't replenishing any biomass from its conflict, so it needs rest stops built to sustain itself. Hive fleet Kronus has a cool color scheme but I never seen them at the table. They used to have rules built around ranged infantry and gun beasties, keeping demons at arms length to minimize losses. Sharkopath fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Apr 12, 2024 |
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notaspy posted:I missed so much from those books Even most of the crypteks really only understand the basics of it, that's why they get so focused into being a certain kind of cryptek.
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oh God, they're all PhD candidates doing the lit review sections of their dissertations.
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habeasdorkus posted:oh God, they're all PhD candidates doing the lit review sections of their dissertations. Now you made me imagine a 40k campus novel. Could be set on Terra? And you could get a bunch of different characters in the faculty, one tech priest (engineering), regular priest(theology), etc. The english lit prof could be secretly recruiting for the Inquisition, the only nice and kind prof could turn out to be a heretic? Maybe demons or genestealers show up towards the middle so you get some bolter porn still?
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A 40K campus novel where it takes three hundred years for your study paper to get published because it was lost in the archivum for 70 years before they could even get to the review stage and the administratum censorship screenings.
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Arc Hammer posted:A 40K campus novel where it takes three hundred years for your study paper to get published because it was lost in the archivum for 70 years before they could even get to the review stage and the administratum censorship screenings. Perish then publish.
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OPAONI posted:Perish then publish. The servo-skull that you've become gets awarded the degree.
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Really not all that different from present day academia.
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If I were a better fiction writer I'd submit a plot like that to one of their open submissions events. But if anyone wants to run with it, by all means!
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new to 40k but have been playing the game Battlesector and enjoying it a lot and so im reading the first Horus Heresy book, which I'm also enjoying a lot! I'm about halfway through and had a question: Is Terra, the planet the Emperor lives on, supposed to be our Earth, or a fictionalized version of it? I also noticed that at one point Horus says "Throne of Earth", is he referring to earth as in like literal dirt/ground, or the planet Earth we live on irl in 40k as a seperate planet to Terra? Or am I just completely misunderstanding? Basically is our Earth in 40k? Is it Terra?
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Yep it’s our Earth. They make various references to human history throughout the series, though generally just in passing. A lot of the place names are garbled versions of current place names.
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thank you!! I already ordered the 2nd one im really enjoying it so far
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Kvlt! posted:thank you!! I already ordered the 2nd one im really enjoying it so far Be aware that the quality of the books swings wildly depending on the author. There's a fair amount of really good, enjoyable content to dig into, there's a lot of mediocre content that's okay enough to read if you're really bored, and there's quite a bit of absolute terribly-written trash.
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Unless I grossly misread something, I like the implication that the emperor slain in the first book just happened to be the emperor of an empire on the third world from its sun in a system with the same number of planets and planetoids, and it might very well actually be Earth, whose actual location may have become mythological and lost during the DAOT.
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chainchompz posted:Unless I grossly misread something, I like the implication that the emperor slain in the first book just happened to be the emperor of an empire on the third world from its sun in a system with the same number of planets and planetoids, and it might very well actually be Earth, whose actual location may have become mythological and lost during the DAOT. There's too many references/names/callouts for this to really make sense. It would only make sense if whoever colonized Terra named everything basically the same poo poo.
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Kylaer posted:Be aware that the quality of the books swings wildly depending on the author. There's a fair amount of really good, enjoyable content to dig into, there's a lot of mediocre content that's okay enough to read if you're really bored, and there's quite a bit of absolute terribly-written trash. Are they all the same story? Meaning if you want to read the whole thing do you have to slog through the lovely ones or is it like regular Warhammer books where they split into different stories?
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